vista won't boot after restart

Hello all! this problem is driving me crazy and I can't seem to find an
solution so I hope you guys can help me

I am running windows vista 32bit on my MSI laptop. It's been havin
that weird habit or turning off after restarting for a few weeks now.
restart it (for whatever reason), it restarts, then starts up the syste
and everything but right before the log on screen, it goes black an
shuts down. Then I turn it on again and everything seems to be normal
When I turn it on in the morning it's alright. While it works, it work
like a charm, shutting down never seemed to be the problem either

I reformat the system, thinking how it might solve the problem
However, it did not! Now EVERY TIME I restart, it does so, boot up, bu
then it goes black right before the log on screen and dies. I even trie
booting in safe mood, it did the exact same thing..

It can't be vista update because it happened before any updates, and i
probably doesn't have anything to do with SP1 (because I used to have i
on my old vista) I did not install it yet though..

I am afraid it might be hardware failure.. :

What do you think? any ideas on how to figure out what the problem is

thanks in advance :

p
I have yet to create a recovery disc and try startup repair, but
doubt that will solve the problem..

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FreakyStyley

Sounds like hardware to me.

Does this happen when starting from a cold/ambient temperature, or is the
computer warm/hot from use?

If the computer does not start good from a cold/ambient temperature, but
then starts after a subsequent reboot, it is likely a cold connection
problem somewhere in the hardware. As the computer heats up the internals
expand, ever so slightly, and a connection that here to fore was missing is
now connecting.

This was very common in the 50's and 60's when tube type TV's were the
standard. I would go to a customers home and spend 1-2 hours touching
various suspect solder joints with the soldering iron. Eventually the
problem connection was found and all was OK - till the next one manifested
itself.

If performed a CLEAN format/install, and the problem remains - it points to
hardware.

If you performed an upgrade install from within Windows a software problem
likely just carried over.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"FreakyStyley" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Hello all! this problem is driving me crazy and I can't seem to find any
> solution so I hope you guys can help me.
>
> I am running windows vista 32bit on my MSI laptop. It's been having
> that weird habit or turning off after restarting for a few weeks now. I
> restart it (for whatever reason), it restarts, then starts up the system
> and everything but right before the log on screen, it goes black and
> shuts down. Then I turn it on again and everything seems to be normal.
> When I turn it on in the morning it's alright. While it works, it works
> like a charm, shutting down never seemed to be the problem either.
>
> I reformat the system, thinking how it might solve the problem.
> However, it did not! Now EVERY TIME I restart, it does so, boot up, but
> then it goes black right before the log on screen and dies. I even tried
> booting in safe mood, it did the exact same thing...
>
> It can't be vista update because it happened before any updates, and it
> probably doesn't have anything to do with SP1 (because I used to have it
> on my old vista) I did not install it yet though...
>
> I am afraid it might be hardware failure.. :/
>
> What do you think? any ideas on how to figure out what the problem is?
>
> thanks in advance
>
> ps
> I have yet to create a recovery disc and try startup repair, but I
> doubt that will solve the problem...
>
>
> --
> FreakyStyley

It does sound suspiciously like a hardware problem, especially as the same
thing happens when you re-install Vista. If the laptop is still under
warranty then contact the manufacturer; if it isn't then you may have to get
a repair man to look at it for you.

--
John Barnett MVP
Windows XP Associate Expert
Windows Desktop Experience

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"FreakyStyley" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Hello all! this problem is driving me crazy and I can't seem to find any
> solution so I hope you guys can help me.
>
> I am running windows vista 32bit on my MSI laptop. It's been having
> that weird habit or turning off after restarting for a few weeks now. I
> restart it (for whatever reason), it restarts, then starts up the system
> and everything but right before the log on screen, it goes black and
> shuts down. Then I turn it on again and everything seems to be normal.
> When I turn it on in the morning it's alright. While it works, it works
> like a charm, shutting down never seemed to be the problem either.
>
> I reformat the system, thinking how it might solve the problem.
> However, it did not! Now EVERY TIME I restart, it does so, boot up, but
> then it goes black right before the log on screen and dies. I even tried
> booting in safe mood, it did the exact same thing...
>
> It can't be vista update because it happened before any updates, and it
> probably doesn't have anything to do with SP1 (because I used to have it
> on my old vista) I did not install it yet though...
>
> I am afraid it might be hardware failure.. :/
>
> What do you think? any ideas on how to figure out what the problem is?
>
> thanks in advance
>
> ps
> I have yet to create a recovery disc and try startup repair, but I
> doubt that will solve the problem...
>
>
> --
> FreakyStyley

Hello guys, thanks for your reply.

Richard, It happens either way. It doesn't matter if the comp has bee
on all day or I just turn it on. It always happens after a reboot

And yes, the format was clean, it happened before any updates :

I didn't want to believe it was hardware because it works great all th
time. It just goes crazy after a restart. Weird, it's been running al
day today and not a single problem

thanks for your help, once agai

Richard Urban;951839 Wrote:
> Sounds like hardware to me
>
> Does this happen when starting from a cold/ambient temperature, or i
> th
> computer warm/hot from use
>
> If the computer does not start good from a cold/ambient temperature
> bu
> then starts after a subsequent reboot, it is likely a cold connectio
> problem somewhere in the hardware. As the computer heats up th
> internal
> expand, ever so slightly, and a connection that here to fore wa
> missing i
> now connecting
>
> This was very common in the 50's and 60's when tube type TV's were th
> standard. I would go to a customers home and spend 1-2 hours touchin
> various suspect solder joints with the soldering iron. Eventually th
> problem connection was found and all was OK - till the next on
> manifeste
> itself
>
> If performed a CLEAN format/install, and the problem remains - i
> points t
> hardware
>
> If you performed an upgrade install from within Windows a softwar
> proble
> likely just carried over
>
> -
>
> Richard Urba
> Microsoft MV
> Windows Desktop Experienc
>
>
> "FreakyStyley" <> wrote in messag
> news:..

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FreakyStyley

"FreakyStyley" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Hello guys, thanks for your reply.
>
> Richard, It happens either way. It doesn't matter if the comp has been
> on all day or I just turn it on. It always happens after a reboot.
>
> And yes, the format was clean, it happened before any updates

Sounds like hardware damage to me, and that sort of thing is often due to
overheating.

This isnt' healable, and it's very difficult, which is pronounced expensive,
to diagnose; you have to swap in other parts, you have to have those parts
to swap in, and there are very few such parts on a laptop.

The big clue is that it shuts off and does not attempt to restart. If it
were the OS crashing, it would be attempting to reboot. Hardware failures
generally trigger simple shutdowns without a restart attempt.

HTH
-pk

>
> I didn't want to believe it was hardware because it works great all the
> time. It just goes crazy after a restart. Weird, it's been running all
> day today and not a single problem.
>
> thanks for your help, once again
>
> Richard Urban;951839 Wrote:
>> Sounds like hardware to me.
>>
>> Does this happen when starting from a cold/ambient temperature, or is
>> the
>> computer warm/hot from use?
>>
>> If the computer does not start good from a cold/ambient temperature,
>> but
>> then starts after a subsequent reboot, it is likely a cold connection
>> problem somewhere in the hardware. As the computer heats up the
>> internals
>> expand, ever so slightly, and a connection that here to fore was
>> missing is
>> now connecting.
>>
>> This was very common in the 50's and 60's when tube type TV's were the
>> standard. I would go to a customers home and spend 1-2 hours touching
>> various suspect solder joints with the soldering iron. Eventually the
>> problem connection was found and all was OK - till the next one
>> manifested
>> itself.
>>
>> If performed a CLEAN format/install, and the problem remains - it
>> points to
>> hardware.
>>
>> If you performed an upgrade install from within Windows a software
>> problem
>> likely just carried over.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Desktop Experience
>>
>>
>> "FreakyStyley" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>
>
> --
> FreakyStyley

Hardware may very well be at fault, and not to be forgotten, any drivers
that were changed as a result of updates.


"John Barnett MVP" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> It does sound suspiciously like a hardware problem, especially as the same
> thing happens when you re-install Vista. If the laptop is still under
> warranty then contact the manufacturer; if it isn't then you may have to
> get a repair man to look at it for you.
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Windows XP Associate Expert
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
> Web: http://www.winuser.co.uk
> Web: http://www.silversurfer-guide.com
> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>
>
> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
> this mail/post..
>
>
> "FreakyStyley" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>> Hello all! this problem is driving me crazy and I can't seem to find any
>> solution so I hope you guys can help me.
>>
>> I am running windows vista 32bit on my MSI laptop. It's been having
>> that weird habit or turning off after restarting for a few weeks now. I
>> restart it (for whatever reason), it restarts, then starts up the system
>> and everything but right before the log on screen, it goes black and
>> shuts down. Then I turn it on again and everything seems to be normal.
>> When I turn it on in the morning it's alright. While it works, it works
>> like a charm, shutting down never seemed to be the problem either.
>>
>> I reformat the system, thinking how it might solve the problem.
>> However, it did not! Now EVERY TIME I restart, it does so, boot up, but
>> then it goes black right before the log on screen and dies. I even tried
>> booting in safe mood, it did the exact same thing...
>>
>> It can't be vista update because it happened before any updates, and it
>> probably doesn't have anything to do with SP1 (because I used to have it
>> on my old vista) I did not install it yet though...
>>
>> I am afraid it might be hardware failure.. :/
>>
>> What do you think? any ideas on how to figure out what the problem is?
>>
>> thanks in advance
>>
>> ps
>> I have yet to create a recovery disc and try startup repair, but I
>> doubt that will solve the problem...
>>
>>
>> --
>> FreakyStyley
>

Patrick Keenan wrote:
> "FreakyStyley" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Hello guys, thanks for your reply.
>>
>> Richard, It happens either way. It doesn't matter if the comp has been
>> on all day or I just turn it on. It always happens after a reboot.
>>
>> And yes, the format was clean, it happened before any updates
>
> Sounds like hardware damage to me, and that sort of thing is often due to
> overheating.
>
> This isnt' healable, and it's very difficult, which is pronounced expensive,
> to diagnose; you have to swap in other parts, you have to have those parts
> to swap in, and there are very few such parts on a laptop.
>
> The big clue is that it shuts off and does not attempt to restart. If it
> were the OS crashing, it would be attempting to reboot. Hardware failures
> generally trigger simple shutdowns without a restart attempt.
>
> HTH
> -pk
>
>> I didn't want to believe it was hardware because it works great all the
>> time. It just goes crazy after a restart. Weird, it's been running all
>> day today and not a single problem.
>>
>> thanks for your help, once again
>>
>> Richard Urban;951839 Wrote:
>>> Sounds like hardware to me.
>>>
>>> Does this happen when starting from a cold/ambient temperature, or is
>>> the
>>> computer warm/hot from use?
>>>
>>> If the computer does not start good from a cold/ambient temperature,
>>> but
>>> then starts after a subsequent reboot, it is likely a cold connection
>>> problem somewhere in the hardware. As the computer heats up the
>>> internals
>>> expand, ever so slightly, and a connection that here to fore was
>>> missing is
>>> now connecting.
>>>
>>> This was very common in the 50's and 60's when tube type TV's were the
>>> standard. I would go to a customers home and spend 1-2 hours touching
>>> various suspect solder joints with the soldering iron. Eventually the
>>> problem connection was found and all was OK - till the next one
>>> manifested
>>> itself.
>>>
>>> If performed a CLEAN format/install, and the problem remains - it
>>> points to
>>> hardware.
>>>
>>> If you performed an upgrade install from within Windows a software
>>> problem

I have a laptop with two 512MByte simms. One has a bad bit near the top
of the address space when it's cold.
System works fine, but if I swap the simms, the system gets to the bad
bit before it warms up and crashes. In the correct order, the bad bit
has warmed up by the time the system tries to use it.
Took me a LONG time to diagnose that one.
mike

Thanks for all your help

My laptop may still be under warranty, I'll have to check my paper
when I get back home

Either way, I will post back with a solution to this problem... if any

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FreakyStyley