Well that sucks!!!

Ok, newer pc been using so finally decide to move email over to it from
laptop running XP to this pc running Vista and Windows Mail.

Can't set it up to access my Hotmail account like could in XP, e.g. same as
isp's email server, e.g. POP3 and SMTP.

What f'ing crap!!! What the hell was wrong with leaving it in and why if I
can't do what I want with this the included email program (Win Mail) do I
have to spend time and effort to remove the useless ....

Argh, I don't want to separate email and news into two separate programs
when I've been doing it way worked just fine for years. And it wouldn't be
Windows Live anyway!!! I hate web based email.

Just a rant!!! It's SO SO SO EXPECTED from MS for years now.

On 1/22/12 7:00 PM, pjp wrote:
> Ok, newer pc been using so finally decide to move email over to it from
> laptop running XP to this pc running Vista and Windows Mail.
>
> Can't set it up to access my Hotmail account like could in XP, e.g. same as
> isp's email server, e.g. POP3 and SMTP.
>
> What f'ing crap!!! What the hell was wrong with leaving it in and why if I
> can't do what I want with this the included email program (Win Mail) do I
> have to spend time and effort to remove the useless ....
>
> Argh, I don't want to separate email and news into two separate programs
> when I've been doing it way worked just fine for years. And it wouldn't be
> Windows Live anyway!!! I hate web based email.
>
> Just a rant!!! It's SO SO SO EXPECTED from MS for years now.
>

Do these help?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...h-Windows-Mail
http://www.dslextreme.com/support/kb...ess-newsgroups
http://vistasupport.mvps.org/accessi...ndows_mail.htm


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Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 9.0.1
Thunderbird 9.0.1
LibreOffice 3.4.4

"Ken Springer" <> wrote in message
news:jfijv9$idm$...
> On 1/22/12 7:00 PM, pjp wrote:
>> Ok, newer pc been using so finally decide to move email over to it from
>> laptop running XP to this pc running Vista and Windows Mail.
>>
>> Can't set it up to access my Hotmail account like could in XP, e.g. same
>> as
>> isp's email server, e.g. POP3 and SMTP.
>>
>> What f'ing crap!!! What the hell was wrong with leaving it in and why if
>> I
>> can't do what I want with this the included email program (Win Mail) do I
>> have to spend time and effort to remove the useless ....
>>
>> Argh, I don't want to separate email and news into two separate programs
>> when I've been doing it way worked just fine for years. And it wouldn't
>> be
>> Windows Live anyway!!! I hate web based email.
>>
>> Just a rant!!! It's SO SO SO EXPECTED from MS for years now.
>>
>
> Do these help?
>
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...h-Windows-Mail
> http://www.dslextreme.com/support/kb...ess-newsgroups
> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/accessi...ndows_mail.htm
>
>

No, it's NOT newsgroups (I'm reading and answering this using Win Mail under
Vista) that are a problem it's collecting email from Hotmail. Go to setup
hotmail account and it explicitely states can't setup Hotmail, Gmail etc. I
assume it's parsing the "hotmail" part and purposefully blocking my setting
it up even though I've had the account so long Hotmail still allows me
POP3/SMTP access as it didn't "force" me to abandon it years ago when they
stopped it for most, e.g. I use OE to access Hotmail on my XP pc along with
the other email accounts I have.

Argh! Means email stays on laptop running XP where-as I'd finally decided
newer pc was stable enough to "use it" for that to find out can't.

MS so often's "new and improved" is just so much more often "changed and
restricted more" gets tiring when it's repeated every single new version.

> --
> Ken
>
> Mac OS X 10.6.8
> Firefox 9.0.1
> Thunderbird 9.0.1
> LibreOffice 3.4.4

On 1/22/2012, pjp posted:
> Ok, newer pc been using so finally decide to move email over to it from
> laptop running XP to this pc running Vista and Windows Mail.

> Can't set it up to access my Hotmail account like could in XP, e.g. same as
> isp's email server, e.g. POP3 and SMTP.

> What f'ing crap!!! What the hell was wrong with leaving it in and why if I
> can't do what I want with this the included email program (Win Mail) do I
> have to spend time and effort to remove the useless ....

> Argh, I don't want to separate email and news into two separate programs when
> I've been doing it way worked just fine for years. And it wouldn't be Windows
> Live anyway!!! I hate web based email.

> Just a rant!!! It's SO SO SO EXPECTED from MS for years now.

There are programs that do both, such as Thunderbird.

IMO, it's worth a try.

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

"Gene E. Bloch" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On 1/22/2012, pjp posted:
>> Ok, newer pc been using so finally decide to move email over to it from
>> laptop running XP to this pc running Vista and Windows Mail.
>
>> Can't set it up to access my Hotmail account like could in XP, e.g. same
>> as isp's email server, e.g. POP3 and SMTP.
>
>> What f'ing crap!!! What the hell was wrong with leaving it in and why if
>> I can't do what I want with this the included email program (Win Mail) do
>> I have to spend time and effort to remove the useless ....
>
>> Argh, I don't want to separate email and news into two separate programs
>> when I've been doing it way worked just fine for years. And it wouldn't
>> be Windows Live anyway!!! I hate web based email.
>
>> Just a rant!!! It's SO SO SO EXPECTED from MS for years now.
>
> There are programs that do both, such as Thunderbird.
>
> IMO, it's worth a try.
>
> --
> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
>
>


Yea, might go that route. Think my chief concern is being able to backup the
files so that they're usable later. With OE you can drag and drop the
various emails and news articles into a folder and burn off to disk.
Although not named ".txt" they are just text files for most things. Only
caveat was guarding against overwriting same named file.

Used to use Netscape and it's email/news client back in WFW3.1 days but once
did jump to 98 (was beta tester) haven't really had a need to go beyond IE
and OE since (till now).

"pjp" <pjp_is_located_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jfjpk9$1hs$...
> "Ken Springer" <> wrote in message
> news:jfijv9$idm$...
>> On 1/22/12 7:00 PM, pjp wrote:
>>> Ok, newer pc been using so finally decide to move email over to it from
>>> laptop running XP to this pc running Vista and Windows Mail.
>>>
>>> Can't set it up to access my Hotmail account like could in XP, e.g. same
>>> as
>>> isp's email server, e.g. POP3 and SMTP.
>>>
>>> What f'ing crap!!! What the hell was wrong with leaving it in and why if
>>> I
>>> can't do what I want with this the included email program (Win Mail) do
>>> I
>>> have to spend time and effort to remove the useless ....
>>>
>>> Argh, I don't want to separate email and news into two separate programs
>>> when I've been doing it way worked just fine for years. And it wouldn't
>>> be
>>> Windows Live anyway!!! I hate web based email.
>>>
>>> Just a rant!!! It's SO SO SO EXPECTED from MS for years now.
>>>
>>
>> Do these help?
>>
>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...h-Windows-Mail
>> http://www.dslextreme.com/support/kb...ess-newsgroups
>> http://vistasupport.mvps.org/accessi...ndows_mail.htm
>>
>>
>
> No, it's NOT newsgroups (I'm reading and answering this using Win Mail
> under Vista) that are a problem it's collecting email from Hotmail. Go to
> setup hotmail account and it explicitely states can't setup Hotmail, Gmail
> etc. I assume it's parsing the "hotmail" part and purposefully blocking my
> setting it up even though I've had the account so long Hotmail still
> allows me POP3/SMTP access as it didn't "force" me to abandon it years ago
> when they stopped it for most, e.g. I use OE to access Hotmail on my XP pc
> along with the other email accounts I have.
>
> Argh! Means email stays on laptop running XP where-as I'd finally decided
> newer pc was stable enough to "use it" for that to find out can't.
>
> MS so often's "new and improved" is just so much more often "changed and
> restricted more" gets tiring when it's repeated every single new version.
>
>> --
>> Ken
>>
>> Mac OS X 10.6.8
>> Firefox 9.0.1
>> Thunderbird 9.0.1
>> LibreOffice 3.4.4
>
>


I'm thinking of installing Outlook which I normally leave out of my Office
installs. I assume it'll still do it as wife seems to use it fine under Win7
for her hotmail account.

On 1/23/12 2:00 PM, pjp wrote:
> I'm thinking of installing Outlook which I normally leave out of my Office
> installs. I assume it'll still do it as wife seems to use it fine under Win7
> for her hotmail account.

Unless things have changed, Outlook does not do newsgroups. For OE2007,
it connects to newsgroups using Win Mail.



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 9.0.1
Thunderbird 9.0.1
LibreOffice 3.4.4

On 1/23/2012, pjp posted:
> "Gene E. Bloch" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> On 1/22/2012, pjp posted:
>>> Ok, newer pc been using so finally decide to move email over to it from
>>> laptop running XP to this pc running Vista and Windows Mail.
>>
>>> Can't set it up to access my Hotmail account like could in XP, e.g. same
>>> as isp's email server, e.g. POP3 and SMTP.
>>
>>> What f'ing crap!!! What the hell was wrong with leaving it in and why if I
>>> can't do what I want with this the included email program (Win Mail) do I
>>> have to spend time and effort to remove the useless ....
>>
>>> Argh, I don't want to separate email and news into two separate programs
>>> when I've been doing it way worked just fine for years. And it wouldn't be
>>> Windows Live anyway!!! I hate web based email.
>>
>>> Just a rant!!! It's SO SO SO EXPECTED from MS for years now.
>>
>> There are programs that do both, such as Thunderbird.
>>
>> IMO, it's worth a try.
>>
>> -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
>>
>>


> Yea, might go that route. Think my chief concern is being able to backup the
> files so that they're usable later. With OE you can drag and drop the various
> emails and news articles into a folder and burn off to disk. Although not
> named ".txt" they are just text files for most things. Only caveat was
> guarding against overwriting same named file.

> Used to use Netscape and it's email/news client back in WFW3.1 days but once
> did jump to 98 (was beta tester) haven't really had a need to go beyond IE
> and OE since (till now).

You can back files up easily in Thunderbird, using the file menu to
save selected messages. You can choose from a few file formats.

You can also save the database en masse, but you have to track down
where it is and which files you need to save, or just save the entire
profile, as I do on those rare occasions when I try to back the mail up
all at once. But I have to research it every time, since I do it so
rarely.

Possibly there's a tool or two available somewhere to facilitate the
process. I have no idea, I'm just speculating.

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 1/23/12 5:03 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
> Possibly there's a tool or two available somewhere to facilitate the
> process. I have no idea, I'm just speculating.

Take a look at Mozbackup. http://kb.mozillazine.org/MozBackup

Only works on Windows. :-(

--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 9.0.1
Thunderbird 9.0.1
LibreOffice 3.4.4

On 1/23/2012, Ken Springer posted:
> On 1/23/12 5:03 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>> Possibly there's a tool or two available somewhere to facilitate the
>> process. I have no idea, I'm just speculating.

> Take a look at Mozbackup. http://kb.mozillazine.org/MozBackup

> Only works on Windows. :-(

Thankee. I should have remembered that - I used it to transfer stuff
here from my previous machine, but that was way in the past - six or
eight months :-)

Next thing you know *I'll* be asking for help with this... :-)

For the OP - IIRC, MozBackup can back up either or both Thunderbird and
Firefox, as you choose when running it.

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)