Why do I need Vista in my business?

Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?

My experiences with Windows Vista in a business environment:

- Loginscripts keep failing, but started somewhat working again after turning off UAC. Well you say we have to modify our group
policy/desktop environment? No we would not like to spend more money on a solution that is working perfectly today.
- Users get random errors: Explorer.exe seem to crash a lot
- A lot of automated program installs do not work.
- Users get random black screens when they log on using Remote Desktop
- Users get random keyboard errors when logging on to their work computer using a second remote desktop through terminal servers
- Sync Software for our mobile phones have a lot more problems than on XP clients
- Users have trouble finding network connections setup and similar elements of Control Panel
- Outlook crashes more often
- Firewall seem to suddenly reset itself and you loose previously added exceptions

But of course, we get a nice GUI. But it seem to bother most people that they get something that they don't feel any interested
in. They just want to do their job.

Now I'm tired of this Vista, we've been running it since December 2007 on work. And I got a question from one of my employees:
Why did you install Vista? Well, I quite frankly stared at the floor.

--
-- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway

"HAL07" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?
>
> My experiences with Windows Vista in a business environment:
>

An environment that you do not specify exactly what it is

> - Loginscripts keep failing, but started somewhat working again after
> turning off UAC. Well you say we have to modify our group policy/desktop
> environment? No we would not like to spend more money on a solution that
> is working perfectly today.

Well if you are not willing to put the time and effort into understanding
the use of and control of UAC in a corporate managed environment then why
complain about it not working?
Personally given the thousands of seat of Vista I have helped deploy in
corporate environments UAC and login scripts are not an issue.

> - Users get random errors: Explorer.exe seem to crash a lot
> - A lot of automated program installs do not work.

Were these installs tested and developed for release on the Vista OS or did
you just take you XP installs and expect them to work ?

> - Users get random black screens when they log on using Remote Desktop

Not something I have seen or experienced

> - Users get random keyboard errors when logging on to their work computer
> using a second remote desktop through terminal servers

Please explain what you mean by a "second remote desktop through terminal
servers"? If you mean you RDP to a desktop and then open up another RDP
session within that one to a TS then you may well encounter issues as this
is not a common solution and the execution of RDP within and RDP may not be
a fully supported configuration.

> - Sync Software for our mobile phones have a lot more problems than on XP
> clients

Is your Synch Software tested on and certified for use on Vista? - check
with the manufacturer for their support statement on running their product
on Vista.
(have you tried running it in compatibility mode?)

> - Users have trouble finding network connections setup and similar
> elements of Control Panel

Did you train them on the new UI etc ?
If not then what did you expect?

> - Outlook crashes more often

Again personally not seen

> - Firewall seem to suddenly reset itself and you loose previously added
> exceptions

Are you using Group Policy to control this ?

>
> But of course, we get a nice GUI. But it seem to bother most people that
> they get something that they don't feel any interested in. They just want
> to do their job.
>
> Now I'm tired of this Vista, we've been running it since December 2007 on
> work. And I got a question from one of my employees:
> Why did you install Vista? Well, I quite frankly stared at the floor.
>
> --
> -- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway

You seem to have just deployed Vista without any due dillergence in terms,
of application compatibility testing, appropriate use of Group Policy to
control the environment and a lack of end user training.
I am not surprised your experience has been less then optimal.

--

Mike Brannigan

HAL07 wrote:
> Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?

You don't.

Alias

Mike Brannigan wrote:
> "HAL07" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?
>>
>> My experiences with Windows Vista in a business environment:
>>
>
> An environment that you do not specify exactly what it is
>
>> - Loginscripts keep failing, but started somewhat working again after
>> turning off UAC. Well you say we have to modify our group
>> policy/desktop environment? No we would not like to spend more money
>> on a solution that is working perfectly today.
>
> Well if you are not willing to put the time and effort into
> understanding the use of and control of UAC in a corporate managed
> environment then why complain about it not working?
> Personally given the thousands of seat of Vista I have helped deploy in
> corporate environments UAC and login scripts are not an issue.
>
>> - Users get random errors: Explorer.exe seem to crash a lot
>> - A lot of automated program installs do not work.
>
> Were these installs tested and developed for release on the Vista OS or
> did you just take you XP installs and expect them to work ?
>
>> - Users get random black screens when they log on using Remote Desktop
>
> Not something I have seen or experienced
>
>> - Users get random keyboard errors when logging on to their work
>> computer using a second remote desktop through terminal servers
>
> Please explain what you mean by a "second remote desktop through
> terminal servers"? If you mean you RDP to a desktop and then open up
> another RDP session within that one to a TS then you may well encounter
> issues as this is not a common solution and the execution of RDP within
> and RDP may not be a fully supported configuration.
>
>> - Sync Software for our mobile phones have a lot more problems than on
>> XP clients
>
> Is your Synch Software tested on and certified for use on Vista? - check
> with the manufacturer for their support statement on running their
> product on Vista.
> (have you tried running it in compatibility mode?)
>
>> - Users have trouble finding network connections setup and similar
>> elements of Control Panel
>
> Did you train them on the new UI etc ?
> If not then what did you expect?
>
>> - Outlook crashes more often
>
> Again personally not seen
>
>> - Firewall seem to suddenly reset itself and you loose previously
>> added exceptions
>
> Are you using Group Policy to control this ?
>
>>
>> But of course, we get a nice GUI. But it seem to bother most people
>> that they get something that they don't feel any interested in. They
>> just want to do their job.
>>
>> Now I'm tired of this Vista, we've been running it since December 2007
>> on work. And I got a question from one of my employees:
>> Why did you install Vista? Well, I quite frankly stared at the floor.
>>
>> --
>> -- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway
>
> You seem to have just deployed Vista without any due dillergence in
> terms, of application compatibility testing, appropriate use of Group
> Policy to control the environment and a lack of end user training.
> I am not surprised your experience has been less then optimal.
>

I asked a simple question. Why do we need Vista? Yet you answer with attacking our deployment. I suggest you stick to answering
the question. As far as I can see, Vista does NOT deliver anything useful vs. XP.

--
-- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway

"HAL07" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>> "HAL07" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?
>>>
>>> My experiences with Windows Vista in a business environment:
>>>
>>
>> An environment that you do not specify exactly what it is
>>
>>> - Loginscripts keep failing, but started somewhat working again after
>>> turning off UAC. Well you say we have to modify our group policy/desktop
>>> environment? No we would not like to spend more money on a solution that
>>> is working perfectly today.
>>
>> Well if you are not willing to put the time and effort into understanding
>> the use of and control of UAC in a corporate managed environment then why
>> complain about it not working?
>> Personally given the thousands of seat of Vista I have helped deploy in
>> corporate environments UAC and login scripts are not an issue.
>>
>>> - Users get random errors: Explorer.exe seem to crash a lot
>>> - A lot of automated program installs do not work.
>>
>> Were these installs tested and developed for release on the Vista OS or
>> did you just take you XP installs and expect them to work ?
>>
>>> - Users get random black screens when they log on using Remote Desktop
>>
>> Not something I have seen or experienced
>>
>>> - Users get random keyboard errors when logging on to their work
>>> computer using a second remote desktop through terminal servers
>>
>> Please explain what you mean by a "second remote desktop through terminal
>> servers"? If you mean you RDP to a desktop and then open up another RDP
>> session within that one to a TS then you may well encounter issues as
>> this is not a common solution and the execution of RDP within and RDP may
>> not be a fully supported configuration.
>>
>>> - Sync Software for our mobile phones have a lot more problems than on
>>> XP clients
>>
>> Is your Synch Software tested on and certified for use on Vista? - check
>> with the manufacturer for their support statement on running their
>> product on Vista.
>> (have you tried running it in compatibility mode?)
>>
>>> - Users have trouble finding network connections setup and similar
>>> elements of Control Panel
>>
>> Did you train them on the new UI etc ?
>> If not then what did you expect?
>>
>>> - Outlook crashes more often
>>
>> Again personally not seen
>>
>>> - Firewall seem to suddenly reset itself and you loose previously added
>>> exceptions
>>
>> Are you using Group Policy to control this ?
>>
>>>
>>> But of course, we get a nice GUI. But it seem to bother most people that
>>> they get something that they don't feel any interested in. They just
>>> want to do their job.
>>>
>>> Now I'm tired of this Vista, we've been running it since December 2007
>>> on work. And I got a question from one of my employees:
>>> Why did you install Vista? Well, I quite frankly stared at the floor.
>>>
>>> --
>>> -- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway
>>
>> You seem to have just deployed Vista without any due dillergence in
>> terms, of application compatibility testing, appropriate use of Group
>> Policy to control the environment and a lack of end user training.
>> I am not surprised your experience has been less then optimal.
>>
>
> I asked a simple question. Why do we need Vista? Yet you answer with
> attacking our deployment. I suggest you stick to answering the question.
> As far as I can see, Vista does NOT deliver anything useful vs. XP.
>
> --
> -- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway

Um Mike posted many reasons why you might be having these problems. if all
you want to do is rant then don't read any of the responses...

"HAL07" <> wrote in message
news:...

> - Users have trouble finding network connections setup and similar
> elements of Control Panel

In most large organisations I have been in, users don't have access to
Control panel AT ALL - why would they need to?

> - Outlook crashes more often

Been using Home premium with Outlook 2007 on almost permanently since Mar
08 - NO Outlook crashes AT ALL.
What add-ins are your users installing (as they have access to control
panel....) ;-)

Gordon wrote:
>
>
> "HAL07" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>> "HAL07" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?
>>>>
>>>> My experiences with Windows Vista in a business environment:
>>>>
>>>
>>> An environment that you do not specify exactly what it is
>>>
>>>> - Loginscripts keep failing, but started somewhat working again
>>>> after turning off UAC. Well you say we have to modify our group
>>>> policy/desktop environment? No we would not like to spend more money
>>>> on a solution that is working perfectly today.
>>>
>>> Well if you are not willing to put the time and effort into
>>> understanding the use of and control of UAC in a corporate managed
>>> environment then why complain about it not working?
>>> Personally given the thousands of seat of Vista I have helped deploy
>>> in corporate environments UAC and login scripts are not an issue.
>>>
>>>> - Users get random errors: Explorer.exe seem to crash a lot
>>>> - A lot of automated program installs do not work.
>>>
>>> Were these installs tested and developed for release on the Vista OS
>>> or did you just take you XP installs and expect them to work ?
>>>
>>>> - Users get random black screens when they log on using Remote Desktop
>>>
>>> Not something I have seen or experienced
>>>
>>>> - Users get random keyboard errors when logging on to their work
>>>> computer using a second remote desktop through terminal servers
>>>
>>> Please explain what you mean by a "second remote desktop through
>>> terminal servers"? If you mean you RDP to a desktop and then open up
>>> another RDP session within that one to a TS then you may well
>>> encounter issues as this is not a common solution and the execution
>>> of RDP within and RDP may not be a fully supported configuration.
>>>
>>>> - Sync Software for our mobile phones have a lot more problems than
>>>> on XP clients
>>>
>>> Is your Synch Software tested on and certified for use on Vista? -
>>> check with the manufacturer for their support statement on running
>>> their product on Vista.
>>> (have you tried running it in compatibility mode?)
>>>
>>>> - Users have trouble finding network connections setup and similar
>>>> elements of Control Panel
>>>
>>> Did you train them on the new UI etc ?
>>> If not then what did you expect?
>>>
>>>> - Outlook crashes more often
>>>
>>> Again personally not seen
>>>
>>>> - Firewall seem to suddenly reset itself and you loose previously
>>>> added exceptions
>>>
>>> Are you using Group Policy to control this ?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But of course, we get a nice GUI. But it seem to bother most people
>>>> that they get something that they don't feel any interested in. They
>>>> just want to do their job.
>>>>
>>>> Now I'm tired of this Vista, we've been running it since December
>>>> 2007 on work. And I got a question from one of my employees:
>>>> Why did you install Vista? Well, I quite frankly stared at the floor.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway
>>>
>>> You seem to have just deployed Vista without any due dillergence in
>>> terms, of application compatibility testing, appropriate use of Group
>>> Policy to control the environment and a lack of end user training.
>>> I am not surprised your experience has been less then optimal.
>>>
>>
>> I asked a simple question. Why do we need Vista? Yet you answer with
>> attacking our deployment. I suggest you stick to answering the
>> question. As far as I can see, Vista does NOT deliver anything useful
>> vs. XP.
>>
>> --
>> -- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway
>
> Um Mike posted many reasons why you might be having these problems. if
> all you want to do is rant then don't read any of the responses...

But what do you feel Vista give you that XP do not? What do you need, business wise?

--
-- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway

Tighter security, for one.

"HAL07" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Gordon wrote:
>>
>>
>> "HAL07" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>> "HAL07" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?
>>>>>
>>>>> My experiences with Windows Vista in a business environment:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An environment that you do not specify exactly what it is
>>>>
>>>>> - Loginscripts keep failing, but started somewhat working again after
>>>>> turning off UAC. Well you say we have to modify our group
>>>>> policy/desktop environment? No we would not like to spend more money
>>>>> on a solution that is working perfectly today.
>>>>
>>>> Well if you are not willing to put the time and effort into
>>>> understanding the use of and control of UAC in a corporate managed
>>>> environment then why complain about it not working?
>>>> Personally given the thousands of seat of Vista I have helped deploy in
>>>> corporate environments UAC and login scripts are not an issue.
>>>>
>>>>> - Users get random errors: Explorer.exe seem to crash a lot
>>>>> - A lot of automated program installs do not work.
>>>>
>>>> Were these installs tested and developed for release on the Vista OS or
>>>> did you just take you XP installs and expect them to work ?
>>>>
>>>>> - Users get random black screens when they log on using Remote Desktop
>>>>
>>>> Not something I have seen or experienced
>>>>
>>>>> - Users get random keyboard errors when logging on to their work
>>>>> computer using a second remote desktop through terminal servers
>>>>
>>>> Please explain what you mean by a "second remote desktop through
>>>> terminal servers"? If you mean you RDP to a desktop and then open up
>>>> another RDP session within that one to a TS then you may well encounter
>>>> issues as this is not a common solution and the execution of RDP within
>>>> and RDP may not be a fully supported configuration.
>>>>
>>>>> - Sync Software for our mobile phones have a lot more problems than on
>>>>> XP clients
>>>>
>>>> Is your Synch Software tested on and certified for use on Vista? -
>>>> check with the manufacturer for their support statement on running
>>>> their product on Vista.
>>>> (have you tried running it in compatibility mode?)
>>>>
>>>>> - Users have trouble finding network connections setup and similar
>>>>> elements of Control Panel
>>>>
>>>> Did you train them on the new UI etc ?
>>>> If not then what did you expect?
>>>>
>>>>> - Outlook crashes more often
>>>>
>>>> Again personally not seen
>>>>
>>>>> - Firewall seem to suddenly reset itself and you loose previously
>>>>> added exceptions
>>>>
>>>> Are you using Group Policy to control this ?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But of course, we get a nice GUI. But it seem to bother most people
>>>>> that they get something that they don't feel any interested in. They
>>>>> just want to do their job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I'm tired of this Vista, we've been running it since December 2007
>>>>> on work. And I got a question from one of my employees:
>>>>> Why did you install Vista? Well, I quite frankly stared at the floor.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway
>>>>
>>>> You seem to have just deployed Vista without any due dillergence in
>>>> terms, of application compatibility testing, appropriate use of Group
>>>> Policy to control the environment and a lack of end user training.
>>>> I am not surprised your experience has been less then optimal.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I asked a simple question. Why do we need Vista? Yet you answer with
>>> attacking our deployment. I suggest you stick to answering the question.
>>> As far as I can see, Vista does NOT deliver anything useful vs. XP.
>>>
>>> --
>>> -- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway
>>
>> Um Mike posted many reasons why you might be having these problems. if
>> all you want to do is rant then don't read any of the responses...
>
> But what do you feel Vista give you that XP do not? What do you need,
> business wise?
>
> --
> -- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway

1. a much improved backup program
2. shadow copy ( restore to the previous version of your file)
3. snipping tool ( user can capture any part of a screen and save to a
file)
4. window sidebar
5. Improved performance and diagnostic testing/tracking
6. Windows Fax and scan
7. Windows Mail is a big improvement over Outlook Express
8. Improved Remote Desktop
9. Security like it or not

This is a just a few.



"HAL07" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Gordon wrote:
>>
>>
>> "HAL07" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>> "HAL07" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?
>>>>>
>>>>> My experiences with Windows Vista in a business environment:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An environment that you do not specify exactly what it is
>>>>
>>>>> - Loginscripts keep failing, but started somewhat working again after
>>>>> turning off UAC. Well you say we have to modify our group
>>>>> policy/desktop environment? No we would not like to spend more money
>>>>> on a solution that is working perfectly today.
>>>>
>>>> Well if you are not willing to put the time and effort into
>>>> understanding the use of and control of UAC in a corporate managed
>>>> environment then why complain about it not working?
>>>> Personally given the thousands of seat of Vista I have helped deploy in
>>>> corporate environments UAC and login scripts are not an issue.
>>>>
>>>>> - Users get random errors: Explorer.exe seem to crash a lot
>>>>> - A lot of automated program installs do not work.
>>>>
>>>> Were these installs tested and developed for release on the Vista OS or
>>>> did you just take you XP installs and expect them to work ?
>>>>
>>>>> - Users get random black screens when they log on using Remote Desktop
>>>>
>>>> Not something I have seen or experienced
>>>>
>>>>> - Users get random keyboard errors when logging on to their work
>>>>> computer using a second remote desktop through terminal servers
>>>>
>>>> Please explain what you mean by a "second remote desktop through
>>>> terminal servers"? If you mean you RDP to a desktop and then open up
>>>> another RDP session within that one to a TS then you may well encounter
>>>> issues as this is not a common solution and the execution of RDP within
>>>> and RDP may not be a fully supported configuration.
>>>>
>>>>> - Sync Software for our mobile phones have a lot more problems than on
>>>>> XP clients
>>>>
>>>> Is your Synch Software tested on and certified for use on Vista? -
>>>> check with the manufacturer for their support statement on running
>>>> their product on Vista.
>>>> (have you tried running it in compatibility mode?)
>>>>
>>>>> - Users have trouble finding network connections setup and similar
>>>>> elements of Control Panel
>>>>
>>>> Did you train them on the new UI etc ?
>>>> If not then what did you expect?
>>>>
>>>>> - Outlook crashes more often
>>>>
>>>> Again personally not seen
>>>>
>>>>> - Firewall seem to suddenly reset itself and you loose previously
>>>>> added exceptions
>>>>
>>>> Are you using Group Policy to control this ?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But of course, we get a nice GUI. But it seem to bother most people
>>>>> that they get something that they don't feel any interested in. They
>>>>> just want to do their job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I'm tired of this Vista, we've been running it since December 2007
>>>>> on work. And I got a question from one of my employees:
>>>>> Why did you install Vista? Well, I quite frankly stared at the floor.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway
>>>>
>>>> You seem to have just deployed Vista without any due dillergence in
>>>> terms, of application compatibility testing, appropriate use of Group
>>>> Policy to control the environment and a lack of end user training.
>>>> I am not surprised your experience has been less then optimal.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I asked a simple question. Why do we need Vista? Yet you answer with
>>> attacking our deployment. I suggest you stick to answering the question.
>>> As far as I can see, Vista does NOT deliver anything useful vs. XP.
>>>
>>> --
>>> -- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway
>>
>> Um Mike posted many reasons why you might be having these problems. if
>> all you want to do is rant then don't read any of the responses...
>
> But what do you feel Vista give you that XP do not? What do you need,
> business wise?
>
> --
> -- HAL07, Engineering Services, Norway

On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:02:23 +0100, HAL07 <>
wrote:

> Dear Microsoft, I just wondered why I need Vista in my business?


If you want to address Microsoft, you'll need to contact them
directly. This is a peer support newsgroup. We are all just Windows
Vista users here, helping each other if and when we can. We are not
Microsoft employees (not even those of us with "Microsoft MVP" behind
our names; that's an honorary title for having provided consistently
helpful advice) except for an occasional employee who posts here
unofficially on his own time.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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