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why does \\server\share work and \\server.domain.tld\share not?

 
 
Bonno Bloksma
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      05-10-2010
Hi,

As many we still use both netbios/wins and the dns name system. With some servers I have a strange
fenomenon.

Question:
What would be the cause for the failure of the "dir \\mailnew.tio.nl\c$\*.*" command when the
similar command "dir \\mailnew\c$\*.*" using the netbios name does work?

Info:
----------<quote>---------------------------------
P:\>dir \\mailnew.tio.nl\c$\*.*
Er is geen service gestart op het endpoint van het doelnetwerk op het externe systeem.
----------<quote>---------------------------------
.... Which translates to "There is no service started at the endpoint of the targetnetwork on the
external system"

----------<quote>---------------------------------
P:\>dir \\mailnew\c$\*.*
Het volume in station \\mailnew\c$ heeft geen naam.
Het volumenummer is 6C74-B5F2

Map van \\mailnew\c$

18-01-2007 19:14 0 AUTOEXEC.BAT
12-12-2009 12:00 <DIR> Beheer
18-01-2007 20:31 <DIR> compaq
18-01-2007 19:14 0 CONFIG.SYS
19-11-2008 19:24 <DIR> CPQSYSTEM
26-11-2009 12:31 <DIR> Documents and Settings
15-08-2007 08:35 <DIR> Downloads
03-10-2007 09:57 2.142 eAladdinLog-1.txt
09-05-2010 16:04 41.286 eAladdinLog.txt
19-11-2008 19:29 <DIR> hp
30-04-2010 17:12 <DIR> IMail
18-01-2007 20:46 <DIR> Inetpub
16-02-2010 09:28 <DIR> perflogs
15-08-2009 06:03 <DIR> Program Files
07-12-2007 20:45 254 RegCheck.txt
10-05-2010 13:35 <DIR> Temp
02-02-2007 15:12 <DIR> TioBin
14-04-2010 22:15 <DIR> WINDOWS
18-01-2007 19:15 <DIR> wmpub
5 bestand(en) 43.682 bytes
14 map(pen) 12.198.252.544 bytes beschikbaar
----------<quote>---------------------------------
P:\>nslookup mailnew.tio.nl
Server: tiodc4.tio.nl
Address: 172.16.208.10

Name: mailnew.tio.nl
Address: 217.114.99.200
----------<quote>---------------------------------
P:\>nbtstat -c

[..other interfaces ...]

LAN-verbinding:
IP-adres van knooppunt: [172.16.208.33] Scope-ID: []

NetBIOS-tabel met externe cachenamen

Naam Type Hostadres Duur [sec]
------------------------------------------------------------------
MAILNEW <20> Uniek 217.114.99.200 40
TIOEIN2K3 <20> Uniek 172.16.208.9 15
TIOEIN2K3.STAF.<54> Uniek 172.16.208.9 317
----------<quote>---------------------------------

As you can see both dns and netbios show the same ip-number for mailnew.
The target mailnew is a Windows 2003 R2 server. There are some firewalls in between but they are all
open for this path. The firewall on mailnew itself is not running.

What would be the cause for the failure of the "dir \\mailnew.tio.nl\c$\*.*" command when the
similar command "dir \\mailnew\c$\*.*" using the netbios name does work?

Bonno Bloksma


 
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Richard Mueller [MVP]
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      05-10-2010

In my domain both commands work and give identical results. I think you have
a DNS problem.

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MVP Directory Services
Hilltop Lab - http://www.rlmueller.net
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"Bonno Bloksma" <> wrote in message
news:4be7f3de$0$22936$...
> Hi,
>
> As many we still use both netbios/wins and the dns name system. With some
> servers I have a strange fenomenon.
>
> Question:
> What would be the cause for the failure of the "dir
> \\mailnew.tio.nl\c$\*.*" command when the similar command "dir
> \\mailnew\c$\*.*" using the netbios name does work?
>
> Info:
> ----------<quote>---------------------------------
> P:\>dir \\mailnew.tio.nl\c$\*.*
> Er is geen service gestart op het endpoint van het doelnetwerk op het
> externe systeem.
> ----------<quote>---------------------------------
> ... Which translates to "There is no service started at the endpoint of
> the targetnetwork on the external system"
>
> ----------<quote>---------------------------------
> P:\>dir \\mailnew\c$\*.*
> Het volume in station \\mailnew\c$ heeft geen naam.
> Het volumenummer is 6C74-B5F2
>
> Map van \\mailnew\c$
>
> 18-01-2007 19:14 0 AUTOEXEC.BAT
> 12-12-2009 12:00 <DIR> Beheer
> 18-01-2007 20:31 <DIR> compaq
> 18-01-2007 19:14 0 CONFIG.SYS
> 19-11-2008 19:24 <DIR> CPQSYSTEM
> 26-11-2009 12:31 <DIR> Documents and Settings
> 15-08-2007 08:35 <DIR> Downloads
> 03-10-2007 09:57 2.142 eAladdinLog-1.txt
> 09-05-2010 16:04 41.286 eAladdinLog.txt
> 19-11-2008 19:29 <DIR> hp
> 30-04-2010 17:12 <DIR> IMail
> 18-01-2007 20:46 <DIR> Inetpub
> 16-02-2010 09:28 <DIR> perflogs
> 15-08-2009 06:03 <DIR> Program Files
> 07-12-2007 20:45 254 RegCheck.txt
> 10-05-2010 13:35 <DIR> Temp
> 02-02-2007 15:12 <DIR> TioBin
> 14-04-2010 22:15 <DIR> WINDOWS
> 18-01-2007 19:15 <DIR> wmpub
> 5 bestand(en) 43.682 bytes
> 14 map(pen) 12.198.252.544 bytes beschikbaar
> ----------<quote>---------------------------------
> P:\>nslookup mailnew.tio.nl
> Server: tiodc4.tio.nl
> Address: 172.16.208.10
>
> Name: mailnew.tio.nl
> Address: 217.114.99.200
> ----------<quote>---------------------------------
> P:\>nbtstat -c
>
> [..other interfaces ...]
>
> LAN-verbinding:
> IP-adres van knooppunt: [172.16.208.33] Scope-ID: []
>
> NetBIOS-tabel met externe cachenamen
>
> Naam Type Hostadres Duur [sec]
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> MAILNEW <20> Uniek 217.114.99.200 40
> TIOEIN2K3 <20> Uniek 172.16.208.9 15
> TIOEIN2K3.STAF.<54> Uniek 172.16.208.9 317
> ----------<quote>---------------------------------
>
> As you can see both dns and netbios show the same ip-number for mailnew.
> The target mailnew is a Windows 2003 R2 server. There are some firewalls
> in between but they are all open for this path. The firewall on mailnew
> itself is not running.
>
> What would be the cause for the failure of the "dir
> \\mailnew.tio.nl\c$\*.*" command when the similar command "dir
> \\mailnew\c$\*.*" using the netbios name does work?
>
> Bonno Bloksma
>
>



 
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Bonno Bloksma
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      05-11-2010
Hi Richard,

> In my domain both commands work and give identical results. I think you have a DNS problem.


I'd love to know I have a dns problem but.... what kind of dns problem would produce this result?
What would I look for?
All my dns zones are AD internal, all dns servers replicate.

Another symptom that my be related is that when I am on my machine at home, which has a VPN to the
company network and uses the same WINS and dns server as the mailnew sever, and I issue the command:
net use \\mailnew\c$ /userOM\logonname
it will reply within the 1 or 2 seconds asking my password but after providing that it will take 20+
seconds to come back with the success report.
After that a dir \\mailnew\c$ will produce the correct result straigh away.

Doing the same for \\mailnew.tio.nl\c$ I have the same delay after providing my password but also
after a success report I will have the another long 20+ sec delay when entering the dir command and
before the results are produced.

So something is probably wrong but what?


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Bonno Bloksma

>
> --
> Richard Mueller
> MVP Directory Services
> Hilltop Lab - http://www.rlmueller.net
> --
> "Bonno Bloksma" <> wrote in message
> news:4be7f3de$0$22936$...
>> Hi,
>>
>> As many we still use both netbios/wins and the dns name system. With some servers I have a
>> strange fenomenon.
>>
>> Question:
>> What would be the cause for the failure of the "dir \\mailnew.tio.nl\c$\*.*" command when the
>> similar command "dir \\mailnew\c$\*.*" using the netbios name does work?
>>
>> Info:
>> ----------<quote>---------------------------------
>> P:\>dir \\mailnew.tio.nl\c$\*.*
>> Er is geen service gestart op het endpoint van het doelnetwerk op het externe systeem.
>> ----------<quote>---------------------------------
>> ... Which translates to "There is no service started at the endpoint of the targetnetwork on the
>> external system"
>>
>> ----------<quote>---------------------------------
>> P:\>dir \\mailnew\c$\*.*
>> Het volume in station \\mailnew\c$ heeft geen naam.
>> Het volumenummer is 6C74-B5F2
>>
>> Map van \\mailnew\c$
>>
>> 18-01-2007 19:14 0 AUTOEXEC.BAT
>> 12-12-2009 12:00 <DIR> Beheer
>> 18-01-2007 20:31 <DIR> compaq
>> 18-01-2007 19:14 0 CONFIG.SYS
>> 19-11-2008 19:24 <DIR> CPQSYSTEM
>> 26-11-2009 12:31 <DIR> Documents and Settings
>> 15-08-2007 08:35 <DIR> Downloads
>> 03-10-2007 09:57 2.142 eAladdinLog-1.txt
>> 09-05-2010 16:04 41.286 eAladdinLog.txt
>> 19-11-2008 19:29 <DIR> hp
>> 30-04-2010 17:12 <DIR> IMail
>> 18-01-2007 20:46 <DIR> Inetpub
>> 16-02-2010 09:28 <DIR> perflogs
>> 15-08-2009 06:03 <DIR> Program Files
>> 07-12-2007 20:45 254 RegCheck.txt
>> 10-05-2010 13:35 <DIR> Temp
>> 02-02-2007 15:12 <DIR> TioBin
>> 14-04-2010 22:15 <DIR> WINDOWS
>> 18-01-2007 19:15 <DIR> wmpub
>> 5 bestand(en) 43.682 bytes
>> 14 map(pen) 12.198.252.544 bytes beschikbaar
>> ----------<quote>---------------------------------
>> P:\>nslookup mailnew.tio.nl
>> Server: tiodc4.tio.nl
>> Address: 172.16.208.10
>>
>> Name: mailnew.tio.nl
>> Address: 217.114.99.200
>> ----------<quote>---------------------------------
>> P:\>nbtstat -c
>>
>> [..other interfaces ...]
>>
>> LAN-verbinding:
>> IP-adres van knooppunt: [172.16.208.33] Scope-ID: []
>>
>> NetBIOS-tabel met externe cachenamen
>>
>> Naam Type Hostadres Duur [sec]
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MAILNEW <20> Uniek 217.114.99.200 40
>> TIOEIN2K3 <20> Uniek 172.16.208.9 15
>> TIOEIN2K3.STAF.<54> Uniek 172.16.208.9 317
>> ----------<quote>---------------------------------
>>
>> As you can see both dns and netbios show the same ip-number for mailnew.
>> The target mailnew is a Windows 2003 R2 server. There are some firewalls in between but they are
>> all open for this path. The firewall on mailnew itself is not running.
>>
>> What would be the cause for the failure of the "dir \\mailnew.tio.nl\c$\*.*" command when the
>> similar command "dir \\mailnew\c$\*.*" using the netbios name does work?
>>
>> Bonno Bloksma
>>
>>

>
>



 
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