Why? It's driving me nuts!

I'm using Vista Ultimate. My PC has a E6600 Intel Core 2 Duo CPU and 2gb
800mhz DDR2 Memory on an Intel D975XBX2 motherboard. The hard drive is a
seagate 300gb SATA hardrive with 16mb cache. This is not a hardware problem
Windows Explorer shows it to be Windows Explorer and Media Player that
causing this problem.

Whenever I create a video (avi, mpeg, whatever) file Windows Explorer has to
scan through the enite file before it will let me open. Then even after
waiting for Explorer to do that for several minutes, Windows Media player
also insists on reading through the entire file before opening it. I have
tried turming off Indexing service and also Superfetch but that makes no
difference. And I can't turn off Explorer obviously. What can I do to chnage
this behavior?

When you work with video all day long these delays become unbareble! Someone
help!

Bill

Many times it is not the OS, but your AV.
In antivirus, do you have...scan before opening checked?

"Flagreen" <> wrote in message
news:4DCC9B53-3D27-4273-936D-...
> I'm using Vista Ultimate. My PC has a E6600 Intel Core 2 Duo CPU and 2gb
> 800mhz DDR2 Memory on an Intel D975XBX2 motherboard. The hard drive is a
> seagate 300gb SATA hardrive with 16mb cache. This is not a hardware
> problem
> Windows Explorer shows it to be Windows Explorer and Media Player that
> causing this problem.
>
> Whenever I create a video (avi, mpeg, whatever) file Windows Explorer has
> to
> scan through the enite file before it will let me open. Then even after
> waiting for Explorer to do that for several minutes, Windows Media player
> also insists on reading through the entire file before opening it. I have
> tried turming off Indexing service and also Superfetch but that makes no
> difference. And I can't turn off Explorer obviously. What can I do to
> chnage
> this behavior?
>
> When you work with video all day long these delays become unbareble!
> Someone
> help!
>
> Bill

Well I'm not using an anti-virus program at present. But I am using Windows
Defender. I'll try turning that off and see if that's it. Thanks for the
suggestion.

Bill

"Not Me" wrote:

> Many times it is not the OS, but your AV.
> In antivirus, do you have...scan before opening checked?
>
> "Flagreen" <> wrote in message
> news:4DCC9B53-3D27-4273-936D-...
> > I'm using Vista Ultimate. My PC has a E6600 Intel Core 2 Duo CPU and 2gb
> > 800mhz DDR2 Memory on an Intel D975XBX2 motherboard. The hard drive is a
> > seagate 300gb SATA hardrive with 16mb cache. This is not a hardware
> > problem
> > Windows Explorer shows it to be Windows Explorer and Media Player that
> > causing this problem.
> >
> > Whenever I create a video (avi, mpeg, whatever) file Windows Explorer has
> > to
> > scan through the enite file before it will let me open. Then even after
> > waiting for Explorer to do that for several minutes, Windows Media player
> > also insists on reading through the entire file before opening it. I have
> > tried turming off Indexing service and also Superfetch but that makes no
> > difference. And I can't turn off Explorer obviously. What can I do to
> > chnage
> > this behavior?
> >
> > When you work with video all day long these delays become unbareble!
> > Someone
> > help!
> >
> > Bill
>
>
>

might try changing the customization of the folder to something other than movie/video/photo file types.
right click on folder. select Properties, then Customize tab and use the drop down menu.
also selecting a view of details may help a little as well.








"Flagreen" <> wrote in message news:4DCC9B53-3D27-4273-936D-...
I'm using Vista Ultimate. My PC has a E6600 Intel Core 2 Duo CPU and 2gb
800mhz DDR2 Memory on an Intel D975XBX2 motherboard. The hard drive is a
seagate 300gb SATA hardrive with 16mb cache. This is not a hardware problem
Windows Explorer shows it to be Windows Explorer and Media Player that
causing this problem.

Whenever I create a video (avi, mpeg, whatever) file Windows Explorer has to
scan through the enite file before it will let me open. Then even after
waiting for Explorer to do that for several minutes, Windows Media player
also insists on reading through the entire file before opening it. I have
tried turming off Indexing service and also Superfetch but that makes no
difference. And I can't turn off Explorer obviously. What can I do to chnage
this behavior?

When you work with video all day long these delays become unbareble! Someone
help!

Bill

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:49:03 -0500, "mikeyhsd" <>
wrote:

>might try changing the customization of the folder to something other than movie/video/photo file types.
>right click on folder. select Properties, then Customize tab and use the drop down menu.
>also selecting a view of details may help a little as well.

If something is broke, your solution is just turn it off? Don't you
think people who work with video would benefit from seeing thumbnails
of their videos? Admit Windows Explorer is fatally flawed, has been
for over a decade at least and it seems Microsoft either doesn't know
how to fix it or doesn't give a rat's ass how poorly it performs.

Explorer is so damn dumb in Vista it will frequently rescan the entire
contents of some folder if you copy/move a file to it in some stupid
attempt to keep the contents in order DURING the copy or move. It
further shows how dumb it's programming is since it will stop to try
to resort during the copy/move operation instead of waiting until it
is finishing with that task in effect going back to the beginning and
start over. That's simply sloppy programming. If you copy five files,
it may do this five times during the copy phase. If you try to move 50
files, dumb as dirt Vista will try 50 times and so on. How this bow
wow ever got out the door is the real question.

I have at least a dozen applications that are capable of generating
thumbnails of videos. NONE of them are as dumb as Vista. None of them
re scan the folder during a copy or move operation. None of them are
as slow as Vista either.

Just for the heck of it I copied 10 videos first using Vista then
using XnView. In the time it took Vista to copy two files XnView
copied all ten and made thumbnails for each of them.
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> "Flagreen" <> wrote in message news:4DCC9B53-3D27-4273-936D-...
> I'm using Vista Ultimate. My PC has a E6600 Intel Core 2 Duo CPU and 2gb
> 800mhz DDR2 Memory on an Intel D975XBX2 motherboard. The hard drive is a
> seagate 300gb SATA hardrive with 16mb cache. This is not a hardware problem
> Windows Explorer shows it to be Windows Explorer and Media Player that
> causing this problem.
>
> Whenever I create a video (avi, mpeg, whatever) file Windows Explorer has to
> scan through the enite file before it will let me open. Then even after
> waiting for Explorer to do that for several minutes, Windows Media player
> also insists on reading through the entire file before opening it. I have
> tried turming off Indexing service and also Superfetch but that makes no
> difference. And I can't turn off Explorer obviously. What can I do to chnage
> this behavior?
>
> When you work with video all day long these delays become unbareble! Someone
> help!
>
> Bill

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:22:56 -0500, "mikeyhsd" <>
wrote:

>NO ONE asked about seeing thumbnails.
>the OP was asking about the delay in opening folders.
>
>learn to read.

If I want to comment on Vista's shortcomings I don't need the
permission of some smart ass punk like you to do so. Understand fool?

Well if not, learn.

"...and another one bites he dust..." P L O N K !

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
news:...
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:22:56 -0500, "mikeyhsd" wrote:
>
>>NO ONE asked about seeing thumbnails.
>>the OP was asking about the delay in opening folders.
>>
>>learn to read.
>
> If I want to comment on Vista's shortcomings I don't need the
> permission of some smart ass punk like you to do so. Understand fool?
>
> Well if not, learn.
>

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:00:38 -0400, "KristleBawl"
<> wrote:

>"...and another one bites he dust..." P L O N K !

Yep, another immature crybaby that just has to announce to the world
they plonked somebody. Very adult of you. Not!

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:30:00 -0700, Flagreen

>Well I'm not using an anti-virus program at present. But I am using Windows
>Defender. I'll try turning that off and see if that's it.

You're brave ;-)

>"Not Me" wrote:

>> Many times it is not the OS, but your AV.

>> "Flagreen" <> wrote in message

>> > Whenever I create a video (avi, mpeg, whatever) file Windows Explorer has
>> > to scan through the enite file before it will let me open.

This does sound like some wretched persistent handler that fiddles
with content on the fly. Does it happen if you view a list of such
files without selecting any of them? Or when you select one, but
don't do anything else? Or only when you "open" one?

If there are more yesses than nos, I'd download Nirsoft's Shell
Extension Viewer and use that to carefully and reversibly disable
shell extensoins, starting with those that are not from Microsoft.

Nirsoft are best reached via www.nirsoft.net (not .com)



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On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:30:12 -0500, Adam Albright
>On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:49:03 -0500, "mikeyhsd"

>Windows Explorer is fatally flawed, has been for over a decade
>at least and it seems Microsoft either doesn't know how to fix it
>or doesn't give a rat's ass how poorly it performs.

It's always flaawed, but the flaws vary :-)

One persistent design safety failure is duhfault settings that hide
file name extensions - and these duhfaults are applied in "safe" mode.

If icons are to be the "easy" replacement for .ext as a risk
prediction, then this is brain dead too; the most dangerous file types
can set their icon to whatever they like.

Vista does make one improvement, though. When renaming a file,
Vista's initial selection (and therefore what is replaced when you
start typing the name) now excludes the file name extension. You can
still change it if you want, but you no longer have to deliberately
avoid changing it by accident, as you do in older Windows.

>Explorer is so damn dumb in Vista it will frequently rescan the entire
>contents of some folder if you copy/move a file to it in some stupid
>attempt to keep the contents in order DURING the copy or move.

In general, there seems to be too much per-item overhead that scales
poorly when you use NTFS's ability to efficiently store many thousands
of files in a single directory. It feels like they did their testing
with trivially-small "demo" file sets, and didn't factor in things
that slow down storage access that magnify the impact.

There's also the need to protect against race conditions, given that
the trend in Windows Explorer is towards more concurrancy. If it were
a database, it would be like going from database locking (no two
entities can update the same database at the same time) to record
locking to field locking.

For example, in Win95, the destination window for file system changes
could not be used until the operation ended; this changed with Win98.

The overhead was intolerable in the Vista betas, and is still onerous
but less horrific in RTM. But optimization gains may be eroded if
race conditions need re-kludging of code to fix.

I also dislike unsolicited file "groping", as this exposes the OS to
exploits from material I have shown no intention to "open". File
"gropers" include indexers, thumbnailers, handlers that kick in when
files are listed within a folder, and when files are selected.

As it is, it is so slow that one gives up on the shell entirely and
does file ops from command line instead - which is like regressing all
the way back to DOS. That was often a necessity in Win98+IE6...

http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm

....due to a bug that never got fixed.

It's hard to take an OS seriously, when simply copying files around is
too buggy to use. Some enhancements in Vista I like, tho:
- show destination and action as tooltip when dragging-and-dropping
- more effective ways to avoid nags during bulk ops
- the "breadcrumbs" address bar navigation

BTW, another buggy situation seems to arise when Shadow Copy is
involved, e.g. while you are being nagged to do a backup, you may find
files you are copying, are copied twice. You get an unexpected
"...exists, overwrite?" and a Yes causes everything to be copied twice
(though only one set of files will result at the destination).


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