Why Microsoft Must abandon Vista

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September 26, 2007 9:05 AM PDT
Why Microsoft must abandon Vista to save itself
Posted by Don Reisinger
Windows Vista

The Microsoft albatross
(Credit: Microsoft)

While Vista was originally touted by Microsoft as the operating system
savior we've all been waiting for, it has turned out to be one of the
biggest blunders in technology. With a host of issues that are
inexcusable and features that are taken from the Mac OS X and Linux
playbook, Microsoft has once again lost sight of what we really want.

As we're more than aware, Vista Ultimate comes at a premium. For an
additional $160 over the Premium SKU price, Ultimate gives you a
complete backup and restore option, BitLocker Drive encryption, the ever
so popular Windows Fax & Scan, and the "Ultimate Extras." But what
started with a promise of "Extras" by summer, quickly turned into an
apology from Microsoft and the eventual release of DreamScene and
Windows Hold 'Em (among others) today. And while each of the "Extras"
runs just fine, Microsoft's "Extras" blunder is just another reason why
the company must abandon Vista before it's too late.

The first indication that Microsoft should abandon Vista is its poor
sales figures. According to a recent report titled "Windows Vista Still
Underperforming in U.S. Retail" from NPD, Vista sales are significantly
behind XP sales during its early days. Even worse for Redmond, some are
reverting to XP, citing issues with compatibility and overall design.
And if that wasn't enough, Macs continue to surge and with the impending
release of Leopard, Microsoft may be in for a rough holiday season.

With each passing day, it's becoming blatantly clear that Microsoft
released Vista too early and the company's continual mistakes and
promises that can't be kept are further annoying the Windows faithful.

Much talk has been given to Service Pack 1 and how this update should
address many of the issues users have with Vista, but I simply don't
agree. Will SP1 eliminate the ridiculous Microsoft licensing schemes?
Will SP1 drop the price on the higher-end versions? Will SP1 eliminate
the need for users to buy a new computer just to use the faulty OS?

I told them I thought it was a total flop from the very first BETA build
that I installed.
I haven't liked it from day one and after using many different builds, my
opinion hasn't changed.
With the RTM build, I don't have any driver or hardware issues, and my other
software is new enough to function properly.
I just find the layout and the supposed security updates to be backwards at
best, draconian at worst.
I gave my grandkids the 'Built for Vista Ultimate' machine to destroy and I
built myself a new system with XP.
My Built for Vista machine works OK; I just don't like the look & feel of
the OS, even after major tweaking, it doesn't feel right.
UAC acts like it was written by AOL, are you sure, really, really, REALLY
sure?
Vista may be a little slower on some things, but overall I find it about the
same as XP on most programs.
If Vista is the future of MS, they should shutter the place quickly, before
they bleed all their cash reserves to nothing.
I avoided Linux like the plague until I saw what Vista would be.
Now I have spent the time to learn and migrated 30+ machines to it and plan
to do the same with the other 200+ machines.
Hardware upgrades have been delayed to avoid Vista and I expect to be MS OS
free in 4 years unless they come up with something that is actually an
improvement to XP.
--
A Professional Amateur...If anyone knew it all, none of would be here!

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"Jeanette" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-978...?tag=nefd.only
>
>
> September 26, 2007 9:05 AM PDT
> Why Microsoft must abandon Vista to save itself
> Posted by Don Reisinger
> Windows Vista
>
> The Microsoft albatross
> (Credit: Microsoft)
>
> While Vista was originally touted by Microsoft as the operating system
> savior we've all been waiting for, it has turned out to be one of the
> biggest blunders in technology. With a host of issues that are inexcusable
> and features that are taken from the Mac OS X and Linux playbook,
> Microsoft has once again lost sight of what we really want.
>
> As we're more than aware, Vista Ultimate comes at a premium. For an
> additional $160 over the Premium SKU price, Ultimate gives you a complete
> backup and restore option, BitLocker Drive encryption, the ever so popular
> Windows Fax & Scan, and the "Ultimate Extras." But what started with a
> promise of "Extras" by summer, quickly turned into an apology from
> Microsoft and the eventual release of DreamScene and Windows Hold 'Em
> (among others) today. And while each of the "Extras" runs just fine,
> Microsoft's "Extras" blunder is just another reason why the company must
> abandon Vista before it's too late.
>
> The first indication that Microsoft should abandon Vista is its poor sales
> figures. According to a recent report titled "Windows Vista Still
> Underperforming in U.S. Retail" from NPD, Vista sales are significantly
> behind XP sales during its early days. Even worse for Redmond, some are
> reverting to XP, citing issues with compatibility and overall design. And
> if that wasn't enough, Macs continue to surge and with the impending
> release of Leopard, Microsoft may be in for a rough holiday season.
>
> With each passing day, it's becoming blatantly clear that Microsoft
> released Vista too early and the company's continual mistakes and promises
> that can't be kept are further annoying the Windows faithful.
>
> Much talk has been given to Service Pack 1 and how this update should
> address many of the issues users have with Vista, but I simply don't
> agree. Will SP1 eliminate the ridiculous Microsoft licensing schemes? Will
> SP1 drop the price on the higher-end versions? Will SP1 eliminate the need
> for users to buy a new computer just to use the faulty OS?

Not Me wrote:
> I told them I thought it was a total flop from the very first BETA build
> that I installed.
> I haven't liked it from day one and after using many different builds, my
> opinion hasn't changed.
> With the RTM build, I don't have any driver or hardware issues, and my other
> software is new enough to function properly.
> I just find the layout and the supposed security updates to be backwards at
> best, draconian at worst.
> I gave my grandkids the 'Built for Vista Ultimate' machine to destroy and I
> built myself a new system with XP.
> My Built for Vista machine works OK; I just don't like the look & feel of
> the OS, even after major tweaking, it doesn't feel right.
> UAC acts like it was written by AOL, are you sure, really, really, REALLY
> sure?
> Vista may be a little slower on some things, but overall I find it about the
> same as XP on most programs.
> If Vista is the future of MS, they should shutter the place quickly, before
> they bleed all their cash reserves to nothing.
> I avoided Linux like the plague until I saw what Vista would be.
> Now I have spent the time to learn and migrated 30+ machines to it and plan
> to do the same with the other 200+ machines.
> Hardware upgrades have been delayed to avoid Vista and I expect to be MS OS
> free in 4 years unless they come up with something that is actually an
> improvement to XP.


I wouldn't use the term total flop, but agree with much of what you say
and I certainly think that calling legitimate users "Thieves"
periodically and then foisting unannounced "Updates" via "Backdoors"
upon them is counter productive.

I entirely respect Microsoft's right to protect itself from theft, no
problem with that, and if WGA / Validation is the way they want to go
that's fine with me, it is their right, just as it is my right to say
"Enough" and look elsewhere. This is a pity because I quite like Vista
except for a few things I don't like, which I REALLY don't like.

I'd most likely not have bothered much with Linux if I hadn't felt
"Pushed", but after a few "Your hardware has changed" messages forcing
me to reactivate I sure felt pushed. None of the hardware had changed

In your position, with so many machines at risk from this gung ho
vigilante attitude, I have to say your planned course of action is very
understandable indeed. I think many will do the same.

Also, of course, Vista adds little to your operation that could not be
achieved using XP, W2003 or even W2000 come to that, so there is a
secondary issue of why spend money upgrading at all. That being the case
if MS intend to kill support for XP you virtually "Have" to make a
choice. Forcing people to make choices is never a good idea, often they
make the one you don't want.

I certainly am not Anti Microsoft, quite the opposite, but I can't in
all honesty support many of their recent decisions, it appears to me
that somewhere they have almost completely lost the plot.

I wonder what they mean by "Trustworthy Computing".

I published this on Microsoft's site in July last year
"I have now had the opportunity to begin Beta testing the new Microsoft
OS - Vista. I must say I find it's initial cimpact rather
dissappointing. I cannot see how the bad poiints (at least, those I
think are bad points) can, or will be, remedied before the final
release. ... blah ... blah.."
Later
" Two more Betas of Vista have rolled past me now. Are you guys
listening to us Beta testers? Are we really expected to pay so much
money for a geat deal of eyecandy and little performance improvements?
The whole navigational structure has been moved around quite needlessly
and, itself, will be a re-learning experience. If it is intended to
direct the OS at the business market, forget it. Companies will not be
willing to invest wholesale in a product which offers little new, so
that their employees can sit in front of glorious technicolor screens.
In anticipation of your next plea - all of the so called tricky add-ons
can be made to work through third party software, in XP - a truly
magnificent OS.
Your (too often) quoted comment "there is a lot more under the
hood...." doesn't wash with me or, as you can read (I presume you have
people on these pages with that attribute) many testers feel the same.
If there are no rather dramatic improvements in the OS between now and
it's final release, then I am afraid I have already put it firmly into
the Millenium category!"

Shortly after this, which was towards the final release, Microsoft
announced the development of their next OS, pretty much supporting my
Millenium jibe.

As a result of the Beta testing, I received free copies of 32 bit and
64 bit. Mainly for that reason, I am using Vista as my main OS. Once you
have found your way around the new geography, it is marginally inferior
to XP but certainly no better. A huge disappointment.


--
uhaligani

uhaligani wrote:
> I published this on Microsoft's site in July last year
> "I have now had the opportunity to begin Beta testing the new Microsoft
> OS - Vista. I must say I find it's initial cimpact rather
> dissappointing. I cannot see how the bad poiints (at least, those I
> think are bad points) can, or will be, remedied before the final
> release. ... blah ... blah.."
> Later
> " Two more Betas of Vista have rolled past me now. Are you guys
> listening to us Beta testers? Are we really expected to pay so much
> money for a geat deal of eyecandy and little performance improvements?
> The whole navigational structure has been moved around quite needlessly
> and, itself, will be a re-learning experience. If it is intended to
> direct the OS at the business market, forget it. Companies will not be
> willing to invest wholesale in a product which offers little new, so
> that their employees can sit in front of glorious technicolor screens.
> In anticipation of your next plea - all of the so called tricky add-ons
> can be made to work through third party software, in XP - a truly
> magnificent OS.
> Your (too often) quoted comment "there is a lot more under the
> hood...." doesn't wash with me or, as you can read (I presume you have
> people on these pages with that attribute) many testers feel the same.
> If there are no rather dramatic improvements in the OS between now and
> it's final release, then I am afraid I have already put it firmly into
> the Millenium category!"
>
> Shortly after this, which was towards the final release, Microsoft
> announced the development of their next OS, pretty much supporting my
> Millenium jibe.
>
> As a result of the Beta testing, I received free copies of 32 bit and
> 64 bit. Mainly for that reason, I am using Vista as my main OS. Once you
> have found your way around the new geography, it is marginally inferior
> to XP but certainly no better. A huge disappointment.
>
>
Jeanette wrote: as a former long time beta tester for Microsoft I can
tell you this is often the case where they ignore what the testers are
saying.

I was one of the Windows Me beta testers.

* Charlie Tame:
> Not Me wrote:
>> I told them I thought it was a total flop from the very first BETA build
>> that I installed.
>> I haven't liked it from day one and after using many different builds, my
>> opinion hasn't changed.
>> With the RTM build, I don't have any driver or hardware issues, and my other
>> software is new enough to function properly.
>> I just find the layout and the supposed security updates to be backwards at
>> best, draconian at worst.
>> I gave my grandkids the 'Built for Vista Ultimate' machine to destroy and I
>> built myself a new system with XP.
>> My Built for Vista machine works OK; I just don't like the look & feel of
>> the OS, even after major tweaking, it doesn't feel right.
>> UAC acts like it was written by AOL, are you sure, really, really, REALLY
>> sure?
>> Vista may be a little slower on some things, but overall I find it about the
>> same as XP on most programs.
>> If Vista is the future of MS, they should shutter the place quickly, before
>> they bleed all their cash reserves to nothing.
>> I avoided Linux like the plague until I saw what Vista would be.
>> Now I have spent the time to learn and migrated 30+ machines to it and plan
>> to do the same with the other 200+ machines.
>> Hardware upgrades have been delayed to avoid Vista and I expect to be MS OS
>> free in 4 years unless they come up with something that is actually an
>> improvement to XP.
>
>
> I wouldn't use the term total flop, but agree with much of what you say
> and I certainly think that calling legitimate users "Thieves"
> periodically and then foisting unannounced "Updates" via "Backdoors"
> upon them is counter productive.
>
> I entirely respect Microsoft's right to protect itself from theft, no
> problem with that, and if WGA / Validation is the way they want to go
> that's fine with me, it is their right, just as it is my right to say
> "Enough" and look elsewhere. This is a pity because I quite like Vista
> except for a few things I don't like, which I REALLY don't like.
>
> I'd most likely not have bothered much with Linux if I hadn't felt
> "Pushed", but after a few "Your hardware has changed" messages forcing
> me to reactivate I sure felt pushed. None of the hardware had changed
>
> In your position, with so many machines at risk from this gung ho
> vigilante attitude, I have to say your planned course of action is very
> understandable indeed. I think many will do the same.
>
> Also, of course, Vista adds little to your operation that could not be
> achieved using XP, W2003 or even W2000 come to that, so there is a
> secondary issue of why spend money upgrading at all. That being the case
> if MS intend to kill support for XP you virtually "Have" to make a
> choice. Forcing people to make choices is never a good idea, often they
> make the one you don't want.
>
> I certainly am not Anti Microsoft, quite the opposite, but I can't in
> all honesty support many of their recent decisions, it appears to me
> that somewhere they have almost completely lost the plot.
>
> I wonder what they mean by "Trustworthy Computing".

Charlie,

This phrase really stands out for me, "I certainly am not Anti Microsoft".
It's a shame that those of who aren't anti-Microsoft feel compelled
to say that at times. A lot of us use Microsoft products every single
day and for the most part, we enjoy using the software. However, if you
dare say anything negative about Microsoft around these parts, there
are those idiot fanatics who try to attack you. Their tactics are always the
same- "you must be retarded because everything works perfect on my
machine".... always blaming the user and *never* holding Microsoft accountable.
Of course, I've heard similar screeching from some Linux loons, too.
I'm not anti-Linux, either. See, I had felt it necessary to put that in there.

I want Microsoft to be successful, but I also want them to do better
by their paying customers. Not criticizing and remaining silent
will not help make Microsoft a better company. It will not help them
make better software, more reliable and secure software. Silence will
not help them to stop making software that is punishing their paying
customers. Of course, if you criticize then you must be "anti-Microsoft".
It's really all quite silly to simply pathetic how some goobers react.

Unfortunately, it may be getting close to a time when the only thing
that actually has any impact on Microsoft is losing enough paying
customers. I really believe Microsoft has reached a precipice, and they
are coming close to falling right the he!l off.


Take care,

Michael

My gosh - that must have been a complete nightmare!!!!


--
uhaligani

i went out and bought this vista full version,because i thought after all of
these years,just maybe microsoft was going to get one right.but this is the
worst.nightmare big time.how does bill gates sleep at night knowing that he
has cheated us like this.cant some company.build an os for the people.vista
is set up to fight you on everything.it does not help you install,but stall
you from installing.none of my software is any good now.the greedy asses have
it fixed,where you have to get new software.my cd and my dvd burners would
not work.i had to go out and buy a new dvd burner,with a new software.so my
old drives would work.anything made before vista 2006,want work.and they have
it set up where it has to keep going for updates,never ending.the updates do
not fix any thing..its just a disater and gives you grief to no end.its just
a totall shame,that a big company can get away with.makeing and selling a
defective product like this and you can not get your money back and our
goverment protects them.i would give it back right now.if i could get my
240.00 dollars back..are we ever going to get a decent os from any company,in
our life time..

"Jeanette" wrote:

>
>
> uhaligani wrote:
> > I published this on Microsoft's site in July last year
> > "I have now had the opportunity to begin Beta testing the new Microsoft
> > OS - Vista. I must say I find it's initial cimpact rather
> > dissappointing. I cannot see how the bad poiints (at least, those I
> > think are bad points) can, or will be, remedied before the final
> > release. ... blah ... blah.."
> > Later
> > " Two more Betas of Vista have rolled past me now. Are you guys
> > listening to us Beta testers? Are we really expected to pay so much
> > money for a geat deal of eyecandy and little performance improvements?
> > The whole navigational structure has been moved around quite needlessly
> > and, itself, will be a re-learning experience. If it is intended to
> > direct the OS at the business market, forget it. Companies will not be
> > willing to invest wholesale in a product which offers little new, so
> > that their employees can sit in front of glorious technicolor screens.
> > In anticipation of your next plea - all of the so called tricky add-ons
> > can be made to work through third party software, in XP - a truly
> > magnificent OS.
> > Your (too often) quoted comment "there is a lot more under the
> > hood...." doesn't wash with me or, as you can read (I presume you have
> > people on these pages with that attribute) many testers feel the same.
> > If there are no rather dramatic improvements in the OS between now and
> > it's final release, then I am afraid I have already put it firmly into
> > the Millenium category!"
> >
> > Shortly after this, which was towards the final release, Microsoft
> > announced the development of their next OS, pretty much supporting my
> > Millenium jibe.
> >
> > As a result of the Beta testing, I received free copies of 32 bit and
> > 64 bit. Mainly for that reason, I am using Vista as my main OS. Once you
> > have found your way around the new geography, it is marginally inferior
> > to XP but certainly no better. A huge disappointment.
> >
> >
> Jeanette wrote: as a former long time beta tester for Microsoft I can
> tell you this is often the case where they ignore what the testers are
> saying.
>
> I was one of the Windows Me beta testers.
>

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* wheelman:
> i went out and bought this vista full version,because i thought after all of these
> years,just maybe microsoft was going to get one right.but this is the worst.nightmare big
> time.how does bill gates sleep at night knowing that he has cheated us like this.cant some
> company.build an os for the people.vista is set up to fight you on everything.it does not
> help you install,but stall you from installing.none of my software is any good now.the
> greedy asses have it fixed,where you have to get new software.my cd and my dvd burners would
> not work.i had to go out and buy a new dvd burner,with a new software.so my old drives
> would work.anything made before vista 2006,want work.and they have it set up where it has to
> keep going for updates,never ending.the updates do not fix any thing..its just a disater and
> gives you grief to no end.its just a totall shame,that a big company can get away
> with.makeing and selling a defective product like this and you can not get your money back
> and our goverment protects them.i would give it back right now.if i could get my 240.00
> dollars back..are we ever going to get a decent os from any company,in our life time..
>
> "Jeanette" wrote:
>
>>
>> uhaligani wrote:
>>> I published this on Microsoft's site in July last year "I have now had the opportunity
>>> to begin Beta testing the new Microsoft OS - Vista. I must say I find it's initial
>>> cimpact rather dissappointing. I cannot see how the bad poiints (at least, those I think
>>> are bad points) can, or will be, remedied before the final release. ... blah ... blah.."
>>> Later " Two more Betas of Vista have rolled past me now. Are you guys listening to us
>>> Beta testers? Are we really expected to pay so much money for a geat deal of eyecandy
>>> and little performance improvements? The whole navigational structure has been moved
>>> around quite needlessly and, itself, will be a re-learning experience. If it is intended
>>> to direct the OS at the business market, forget it. Companies will not be willing to
>>> invest wholesale in a product which offers little new, so that their employees can sit
>>> in front of glorious technicolor screens. In anticipation of your next plea - all of the
>>> so called tricky add-ons can be made to work through third party software, in XP - a
>>> truly magnificent OS. Your (too often) quoted comment "there is a lot more under the
>>> hood...." doesn't wash with me or, as you can read (I presume you have people on these
>>> pages with that attribute) many testers feel the same. If there are no rather dramatic
>>> improvements in the OS between now and it's final release, then I am afraid I have
>>> already put it firmly into the Millenium category!"
>>>
>>> Shortly after this, which was towards the final release, Microsoft announced the
>>> development of their next OS, pretty much supporting my Millenium jibe.
>>>
>>> As a result of the Beta testing, I received free copies of 32 bit and 64 bit. Mainly for
>>> that reason, I am using Vista as my main OS. Once you have found your way around the new
>>> geography, it is marginally inferior to XP but certainly no better. A huge
>>> disappointment.
>>>
>>>
>> Jeanette wrote: as a former long time beta tester for Microsoft I can tell you this is
>> often the case where they ignore what the testers are saying.
>>
>> I was one of the Windows Me beta testers.
>>

"MICHAEL" <> wrote in message
news:...
>* Charlie Tame:
>> Not Me wrote:
>>> I told them I thought it was a total flop from the very first BETA build
>>> that I installed.
>>> I haven't liked it from day one and after using many different builds,
>>> my
>>> opinion hasn't changed.
>>> With the RTM build, I don't have any driver or hardware issues, and my
>>> other
>>> software is new enough to function properly.
>>> I just find the layout and the supposed security updates to be backwards
>>> at
>>> best, draconian at worst.
>>> I gave my grandkids the 'Built for Vista Ultimate' machine to destroy
>>> and I
>>> built myself a new system with XP.
>>> My Built for Vista machine works OK; I just don't like the look & feel
>>> of
>>> the OS, even after major tweaking, it doesn't feel right.
>>> UAC acts like it was written by AOL, are you sure, really, really,
>>> REALLY
>>> sure?
>>> Vista may be a little slower on some things, but overall I find it about
>>> the
>>> same as XP on most programs.
>>> If Vista is the future of MS, they should shutter the place quickly,
>>> before
>>> they bleed all their cash reserves to nothing.
>>> I avoided Linux like the plague until I saw what Vista would be.
>>> Now I have spent the time to learn and migrated 30+ machines to it and
>>> plan
>>> to do the same with the other 200+ machines.
>>> Hardware upgrades have been delayed to avoid Vista and I expect to be MS
>>> OS
>>> free in 4 years unless they come up with something that is actually an
>>> improvement to XP.
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't use the term total flop, but agree with much of what you say
>> and I certainly think that calling legitimate users "Thieves"
>> periodically and then foisting unannounced "Updates" via "Backdoors"
>> upon them is counter productive.
>>
>> I entirely respect Microsoft's right to protect itself from theft, no
>> problem with that, and if WGA / Validation is the way they want to go
>> that's fine with me, it is their right, just as it is my right to say
>> "Enough" and look elsewhere. This is a pity because I quite like Vista
>> except for a few things I don't like, which I REALLY don't like.
>>
>> I'd most likely not have bothered much with Linux if I hadn't felt
>> "Pushed", but after a few "Your hardware has changed" messages forcing
>> me to reactivate I sure felt pushed. None of the hardware had changed
>>
>> In your position, with so many machines at risk from this gung ho
>> vigilante attitude, I have to say your planned course of action is very
>> understandable indeed. I think many will do the same.
>>
>> Also, of course, Vista adds little to your operation that could not be
>> achieved using XP, W2003 or even W2000 come to that, so there is a
>> secondary issue of why spend money upgrading at all. That being the case
>> if MS intend to kill support for XP you virtually "Have" to make a
>> choice. Forcing people to make choices is never a good idea, often they
>> make the one you don't want.
>>
>> I certainly am not Anti Microsoft, quite the opposite, but I can't in
>> all honesty support many of their recent decisions, it appears to me
>> that somewhere they have almost completely lost the plot.
>>
>> I wonder what they mean by "Trustworthy Computing".
>
> Charlie,
>
> This phrase really stands out for me, "I certainly am not Anti Microsoft".
> It's a shame that those of who aren't anti-Microsoft feel compelled
> to say that at times. A lot of us use Microsoft products every single
> day and for the most part, we enjoy using the software. However, if you
> dare say anything negative about Microsoft around these parts, there
> are those idiot fanatics who try to attack you. Their tactics are always
> the
> same- "you must be retarded because everything works perfect on my
> machine".... always blaming the user and *never* holding Microsoft
> accountable.
> Of course, I've heard similar screeching from some Linux loons, too.
> I'm not anti-Linux, either. See, I had felt it necessary to put that in
> there.
>
> I want Microsoft to be successful, but I also want them to do better
> by their paying customers. Not criticizing and remaining silent
> will not help make Microsoft a better company. It will not help them
> make better software, more reliable and secure software. Silence will
> not help them to stop making software that is punishing their paying
> customers. Of course, if you criticize then you must be "anti-Microsoft".
> It's really all quite silly to simply pathetic how some goobers react.
>
> Unfortunately, it may be getting close to a time when the only thing
> that actually has any impact on Microsoft is losing enough paying
> customers. I really believe Microsoft has reached a precipice, and they
> are coming close to falling right the he!l off.
>
>
> Take care,
>
> Michael


Inversely... if one says just ONE THING positive about MS, one is labled an
MS Fanboi forever. It goes both ways and it's only the fanatism of the
players, pro or con, that cause the accusations against either side.

Quite boring, actually.

Lang