why no Windows 7 account or folder here yet?

Patrick Phillips wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:15:13 -0800
> "Dave T." <> wrote:
>
>> Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
>> Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
>> infect the public NG's?
>
> I'd say the reasoning was its easier to place advertisements on web
> based forums.
> --
> Patrick in IL.

Not to mention the control that MS has with web forums.

Alias

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:15:13 -0800, "Dave T." <>
wrote:

> >>>>> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
> >>>>> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?
> >>>>
> >>>> Microsoft has no Windows 7 newsgroups. And unfortunately it's highly
> >>>> unlikely that there will be. Apparently Microsoft has decided that
> >>>> web-based forums are better than newsgroups and they are putting their
> >>>> efforts there. I'm personally sorry that's the case, but it's their
> >>>> decision, not mine.

> Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
> Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
> infect the public NG's?


No, I don't think so. I don't know why Microsoft made this decision or
any other decision, and I'm not willing to make any assumptions about
why they do anything they do. Your view that the long list of trolls
are to blame is a reasonable guess, but a guess is a long way from an
assumption.

And personally, my view is that there were other better ways to deal
with trolls, and what they did wasn't necessary. So that's not even my
guess.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Great advice and hyperlinks.
I still prefer Newsgroups, but will use the hyperlinks and forums.
I think they are much harder to navigate.

Ritter197

"Dave" <> wrote in message
news:...
> MSFT hasn't created any Win 7 groups on their news server.
> They may not ever, as they seem to now prefer forums.
> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...egory/w7itpro/
>
> Other forums are:
> http://www.sevenforums.com
> http://forums.mydigitallife.info/forumdisplay.php?f=16
> http://www.w7forums.com/
> http://windows7forums.com/
> http://www.windowsbbs.com/windows-7/
>
>
> --
> Windows 7 Ultimate
> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
> http://download.live.com/wlmail
>
>
> "Ritter197" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
>> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?
>

There is a Windows 7 newsgroup available. It is alt.windows7.general. I get
it from free.teranews.com. Many ISPs have chosen to discontinue alt groups
and some have chosen to not provide any at all (e.g. Verizon).

Isn't there some kind of NNTP add-in available or being developed (I think
by Microsoft) that will convert the forum format to that of the newsgroups?

Gordo

"Ritter197" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Great advice and hyperlinks.
> I still prefer Newsgroups, but will use the hyperlinks and forums.
> I think they are much harder to navigate.
>
> Ritter197
>
> "Dave" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> MSFT hasn't created any Win 7 groups on their news server.
>> They may not ever, as they seem to now prefer forums.
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...egory/w7itpro/
>>
>> Other forums are:
>> http://www.sevenforums.com
>> http://forums.mydigitallife.info/forumdisplay.php?f=16
>> http://www.w7forums.com/
>> http://windows7forums.com/
>> http://www.windowsbbs.com/windows-7/
>>
>>
>> --
>> Windows 7 Ultimate
>> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>> http://download.live.com/wlmail
>>
>>
>> "Ritter197" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
>>> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?
>>

There is this:
http://microsoft-forums-nntp-bridge-.../1.0/download/
but it looks like they're going another route.
There is also MAPIlab NNTP http://www.mapilab.com/outlook/nntp/
that allows reading and posting to newsgroups.
I've used the latter and it works well enough, but not the MS bridge. Others
have, and seem to like it from the posts I've read.

SC Tom


"gordo" <> wrote in message
news:...
> There is a Windows 7 newsgroup available. It is alt.windows7.general. I
> get it from free.teranews.com. Many ISPs have chosen to discontinue alt
> groups and some have chosen to not provide any at all (e.g. Verizon).
>
> Isn't there some kind of NNTP add-in available or being developed (I think
> by Microsoft) that will convert the forum format to that of the
> newsgroups?
>
> Gordo
>
> "Ritter197" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Great advice and hyperlinks.
>> I still prefer Newsgroups, but will use the hyperlinks and forums.
>> I think they are much harder to navigate.
>>
>> Ritter197
>>
>> "Dave" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> MSFT hasn't created any Win 7 groups on their news server.
>>> They may not ever, as they seem to now prefer forums.
>>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...egory/w7itpro/
>>>
>>> Other forums are:
>>> http://www.sevenforums.com
>>> http://forums.mydigitallife.info/forumdisplay.php?f=16
>>> http://www.w7forums.com/
>>> http://windows7forums.com/
>>> http://www.windowsbbs.com/windows-7/
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate
>>> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>>> http://download.live.com/wlmail
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ritter197" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
>>>> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?
>>>

P.S. I should have mentioned these are for Outlook :-)

"SC Tom" <> wrote in message
news:O%...
> There is this:
> http://microsoft-forums-nntp-bridge-.../1.0/download/
> but it looks like they're going another route.
> There is also MAPIlab NNTP http://www.mapilab.com/outlook/nntp/
> that allows reading and posting to newsgroups.
> I've used the latter and it works well enough, but not the MS bridge.
> Others have, and seem to like it from the posts I've read.
>
> SC Tom
>
>
> "gordo" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> There is a Windows 7 newsgroup available. It is alt.windows7.general. I
>> get it from free.teranews.com. Many ISPs have chosen to discontinue alt
>> groups and some have chosen to not provide any at all (e.g. Verizon).
>>
>> Isn't there some kind of NNTP add-in available or being developed (I
>> think by Microsoft) that will convert the forum format to that of the
>> newsgroups?
>>
>> Gordo
>>
>> "Ritter197" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Great advice and hyperlinks.
>>> I still prefer Newsgroups, but will use the hyperlinks and forums.
>>> I think they are much harder to navigate.
>>>
>>> Ritter197
>>>
>>> "Dave" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> MSFT hasn't created any Win 7 groups on their news server.
>>>> They may not ever, as they seem to now prefer forums.
>>>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...egory/w7itpro/
>>>>
>>>> Other forums are:
>>>> http://www.sevenforums.com
>>>> http://forums.mydigitallife.info/forumdisplay.php?f=16
>>>> http://www.w7forums.com/
>>>> http://windows7forums.com/
>>>> http://www.windowsbbs.com/windows-7/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Windows 7 Ultimate
>>>> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>>>> http://download.live.com/wlmail
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ritter197" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
>>>>> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?
>>>>
>

In message <> "Ken Blake, MVP"
<> was claimed to have wrote:

>And personally, my view is that there were other better ways to deal
>with trolls, and what they did wasn't necessary. So that's not even my
>guess.

Trolls aren't restricted to NNTP either, they can follow you to the web.
If you're willing to start banning trolls, this is no more or less
difficult on the web vs NNTP, either way you just need to ensure all
users login.

In the case of microsoft.public.* groups which are propagated to the
rest of the world, this would either need to stop (easy) or the groups
would need to become robomoderated (a change which isn't impossible to
implement, but isn't trivial)