Why is Vista So Resource Intensive??

I would love to recommend Vista to my clients. Anyone know why it is such a
resource hog and any plans to make it more lightweight?

Mario DiMarcantonio, MCSA
Progressive IT Solutions
Dallas, Tx

www.progressiveitsolutions.com

Windows Vista is not a "resource hog". It was designed to
take advantage of new computer hardware and devices that
have hit the market in the last couple of years, as well as
supporting future hardware as it becomes available.

Windows Vista Resources for IT Professionals
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/w...a/default.aspx

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

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"Mario in Dallas" wrote:

I would love to recommend Vista to my clients. Anyone know why it is such a
resource hog and any plans to make it more lightweight?

Mario DiMarcantonio, MCSA
Progressive IT Solutions
Dallas, Tx

Mario--

One reason, and certainly not the only one is that it default boots up with
a number of services started that you might not need--in fact you may not
have hardware or software that those services fit:


*Speed a Vista PC and Control CPU Tips/Steps*:

(The links or KBs for XP below apply to Vista and this includes a Vista
Services Guide--turn off what you absolutely do not need to run):

_______________
1) Trim processes you don't need in TM. Google them or "search engine of
your choice them" if you have to.

2) Go to

services.msc in run box and turn off services not needed and there are some.

Vista Services Guide Part 1
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38662.aspx

Vista Services Guide Part 2
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38664.aspx

3) Run System File Checker.

SFC: http://www.updatexp.com/scannow-sfc.html

In Vista run it from an elevated command prompt. Right click command on
start and run as administrator.

4) Run 3 or so spyware scans Windows Defender, , Adaware, and Spybot

5) Probably the most important for speed consistently and efficient resource
use DEFRAG with www.raxco.com or www.diskeeeper.com with 15% free space on
drive if DK and or >5% if Raxco's Perfect Disk.
http://groups.msn.com/windowsxpcentral/spyware.msnw Download Adaware and

Spybot from here.
GOOD Overall Review for Defending Your PC:
http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
MSFT Defense Site MSFT Security:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/default.mspx
Protect Your PC from MSFT Security:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.mspx
MSFT Windows Defender
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...e/default.mspx
MSFT MSRT: (Malicious Software Removal Tool)
http://www.microsoft.com/security/ma...e/default.mspx
MSFT "Windows One Care" in Wings (AV and Spyware Scans)
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...OneCarePR.mspx


6) Unck items from msconfig start tab you don't need starting and some
won't start--peoiple who think just uncking for many are naive because there
are 12 places things can be started including several reg keys like Run Once
keys and there are serveral.

7) Turn off Messaging service--it's a security vulnerability and it slows
you

8) Defrag very often every other day actually.

9) Turn off indexing.

10) Clear TIF and %temp% files (delete) and go to safe mode to get as many
as u can.

10) Do troubleshooting with msconfig.

11) Do Clean boot with msconfig utility and search for the directions here:

SERVICE CONFIGURATION REFERENCES*

*Vista Services*

Part One
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38662.aspx

Part Two
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38664.aspx

Windows Vista Services Tweak Guide v1.0
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=87443

Vista RTM Tweak Guide (Tweaks to Improve Performances)
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...tm+tweak+guide

1) Task Manager lists the services on the services tab in Vista.

2) Type services.msc in run box and using the list of services, click the
service and you'll get a description of services.

3) There is a list here of the default services and a description>>click
"default settings for services" in the left pane.
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Window....mspx?mfr=true

4) To view service dependencies
1.
Open Services.

2.
In the details pane, right-click the service that you want to view
dependencies for, and then click Properties.

3.
Click the Dependencies tab.

4.
To view services that are associated dependencies of the selected service,
in the list on the Dependencies tab, click the plus sign next to the
service.

Many of the services but not all in Vista are the same as in XP, so in that
context:

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/services.htm

Also see the extremely helpful site:
Black Viper's Service List

http://www.dead-eye.net/WinXP%20Services.htm


Black Viper's Site (Many of the same services in Vista)
http://www.dead-eye.net/WinXP%20Services.htm

http://www.z123.org/techsupport/xpservices.htm
http://www.geocities.com/ziyadhosein/xpserv1.htm
http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php
This will be helpful
http://web.archive.org/web/200411280...servicecfg.htm
__________________________________________________ ____________________________________________
How to troubleshoot by using the System Configuration utility in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310560/
Resources for troubleshooting startup problems in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308041/
How to perform advanced clean-boot troubleshooting in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;316434
How to perform a clean boot in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353/
How to Disable a Service or Device that Prevents Windows from Starting
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310602/

Also ck out these references:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,5155,00.asp
http://www.speedupyourcomputer.windo....com/index.htm and
http://www.extremetech.com/search_re...app=&site=4P.S.

Defragging with a decent defrag every day will make a huge dent inefficient
resource/CPU use.Good luck,CH
Perfect Disk has a 5 month full functionality trial on now for Windows
Vista.

Good luck,

CH














"Mario in Dallas" <Mario in > wrote in
message news:879EB093-E244-4FFD-B4E7-...
>I would love to recommend Vista to my clients. Anyone know why it is such
>a
> resource hog and any plans to make it more lightweight?
>
> Mario DiMarcantonio, MCSA
> Progressive IT Solutions
> Dallas, Tx
>
> www.progressiveitsolutions.com
>

Mario--

Carey Frisch said well what I should have mentioned, but that having been
said, if you don't have particular devices or software that Vista has
accomodated with default services on, until you acquire them you may be able
to trim your services and certainly some of the processes that default load
on a Vista box. Task Manager in Vista contexts the processes better, and
you can google any you still are not sure of. The services guide I provided
will hopefully also guide you.

Vista Services Guide Part 1
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38662.aspx

Vista Services Guide Part 2
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38664.aspx

Vista Troubleshooting Tips - Excessive CPU usage

http://www.vistamania.org/index.php?...=111&Itemid=35

Some of the other suggestions I included in my earlier post should help use
resources more effectively (part of normal maintainance, but I always go
after a service shown at services.msc in the run box or a process shown by
task manager that I am sure I don't need running at a particular time. Task
Manager in Vista helps define services now also.

CH


"Mario in Dallas" <Mario in > wrote in
message news:879EB093-E244-4FFD-B4E7-...
>I would love to recommend Vista to my clients. Anyone know why it is such
>a
> resource hog and any plans to make it more lightweight?
>
> Mario DiMarcantonio, MCSA
> Progressive IT Solutions
> Dallas, Tx
>
> www.progressiveitsolutions.com
>

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:05:10 -0600, Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

> Windows Vista is not a "resource hog". It was designed to take advantage
> of new computer hardware and devices that have hit the market in the last
> couple of years, as well as supporting future hardware as it becomes
> available.

It's not slower. It was just designed to use faster hardware.

FWIW Mario historically--

In one of the famous leaked memos from Jim Allchin to Bill Gates and Steve
Ballmer which became public in litigation, and caught so many people's eye
because Jim Allchin said he would get a Mac for irony if he weren't with
MSFT, Allchin prodded Gates and Ballmer to change Vista because he perceived
it as a resourcehog. This was in 2004 and a lof of components were
retooled from scratch then, to insure it was not a resource hog, and I agree
with Carey--it's not a resource hog--it has many features built in to
insure this if you get under the Vista hood, but you can help resource
efficiency in the ways I mentioned: I'm going to post the memo that became
public and Jim Allchin's comment on it later:

This memo was sent by Jim Allchin in 2004:

"This is a rant. I'm sorry.
"I am not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our customers
(both business and home) the most, but in my view we lost our way. I think
our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what
full scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, how
important current applications are, and really understanding what the most
important problems are customers face are. I see lots of random features and
some great vision, but that doesn't translate into great products.

"I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft. If you run the
equivalent of VPC [Virtual PC] on a Mac you get access to basically all
Windows application software (although not the hardware). Apple did not lose
their way. You must watch this new video below. I know this doesn't show
anything for businesses, but my point is about the philosophy that Apple
uses. They think scenario. They think simple. They think fast. I know there
is nothing hugely deep in this.

"http: //www.apple.com/ilife/video/ilifeO432C.html [Note: Link is now dead]

"I must tell you everything in my soul tells me that we should do what I
called plan (b) yesterday. We need a simple fast storage system. LH
[Longhorn] is a pig and I don't see any solution to this problem. If we are
to rise to the challenge of Linux and Apple, we need to start taking the
lessons of 'scenario, simple, fast' to heart. Jim"

On point to your comment that Vista is a resource hog, which it is
absolutely not, here is context that Jim Allchin posted as to this memo:

"As part of one of Microsoft's on-going lawsuits, a piece of email that I
sent to Steve Ballmer and Bill Gates recently became public. It was a rant
encouraging a change to the way we were building Windows at the time. In
the email, I made a comment for effect about buying a Mac if I was not
working at Microsoft. Taken out of context, this comment could be
confusing. Let me set the record straight:

a.. This email is nearly 3 years old, and I was being purposefully
dramatic in order to drive home a point. The point being that we needed to
change and change quickly. We did: We changed dramatically the development
process that was being used and we reset the Windows Vista development
project in mid-2004, essentially starting over.
b.. 2-and-½ years later, Windows Vista has turned into a phenomenal
product, better than any other OS we've ever built and far, far better than
any other software available today, in my opinion. It's going to be
available to customers on Jan 30, and I suggest everyone go out and get it
as soon as you can. It's that good.
The spirit of being self-critical continues to flourish at Microsoft.
Within Microsoft everyone considers it their duty to always put their
convictions and our product quality ahead of everything else. That was the
intent of my mail to Bill and Steve, and I consider it a great example of
how this company can focus and do what's right for customers."

jim





"Mario in Dallas" <Mario in > wrote in
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>I would love to recommend Vista to my clients. Anyone know why it is such
>a
> resource hog and any plans to make it more lightweight?
>
> Mario DiMarcantonio, MCSA
> Progressive IT Solutions
> Dallas, Tx
>
> www.progressiveitsolutions.com
>

Maybe you should better describe what resources you are referring to?

A lot of people notice how much memory is free after they boot up and are
not happy. They automatically feel this is "lost memory". For example, I
have 4GB of memory and when I first boot up I only have 2.3GB free. WTF?
Where did it go? I don't see the justification for that "lost memory" after
I add up all my processes. The only justification I receive is the usual
pre-fetch excuse.

Either way it's hogging the memory. If I do anything to tax my memory, more
and more memory is freed. In either case why would you want that memory
sitting there not doing anything? You paid for it! Let windows use it.



"Mario in Dallas" <Mario in > wrote in
message news:879EB093-E244-4FFD-B4E7-...
>I would love to recommend Vista to my clients. Anyone know why it is such
>a
> resource hog and any plans to make it more lightweight?
>
> Mario DiMarcantonio, MCSA
> Progressive IT Solutions
> Dallas, Tx
>
> www.progressiveitsolutions.com
>

Yes, the classic trade offs between time and space.

"arachnid" <> wrote in message
newsan.2007.01.25.17.28.49.919434@goawayspammers .com...
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:05:10 -0600, Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>
>> Windows Vista is not a "resource hog". It was designed to take advantage
>> of new computer hardware and devices that have hit the market in the last
>> couple of years, as well as supporting future hardware as it becomes
>> available.
>
> It's not slower. It was just designed to use faster hardware.
>
>
>

> It's not slower. It was just designed to use faster hardware.

Arachnid you are wasting your logic on these guys. These guys just dont get
it.. whatever you may say to them, they reply with
the IQ of an average rock, I have not heard so much condensed stupidity ever
in my life.... either that OR they are paid by microsoft to roam around in
these newsgroups
to spread lies and propaganda about vista. In that case they are a little
smarter than a rock, but they are also diabolical, that makes them worse
than a rock.. something slimey...that lives UNDER the rock. :-)







"arachnid" <> wrote in message
newsan.2007.01.25.17.28.49.919434@goawayspammers .com...
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:05:10 -0600, Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>
>> Windows Vista is not a "resource hog". It was designed to take advantage
>> of new computer hardware and devices that have hit the market in the last
>> couple of years, as well as supporting future hardware as it becomes
>> available.
>
> It's not slower. It was just designed to use faster hardware.
>
>
>

because memory must be filled by data that is transferred from a hard drive
and hard drive is the slowest component on the computer. By making BLOATED
OS's and having more ram loaded just to so the data will be there in case
you need it.. is a sick use of technology.... it is the way barbarians
should program a computer (OS). It is very clear that this is a way to
promote the sales of new hardware.

It is easy to make lean software if you have that goal.. but guess what..
their goal is for bloat not lean!

You should not NEED to load huge amounts of data on the ram, because that
data fills the computer pipelines.. it SHOULD be free ready to be used for
demanding applications like video editing or photoshoping huge images.

You are stupid enough, to be driving around with your car full of heavy
sacks in the other seats, just because "hey I have the space I should use
it"! lol It does not even pass your mind that the added sacks have a
drawback on your car...

the same happens with the computer.. the OS should be designed LEAN from the
ground up so it will not NEED to use the ram in that way... the ram should
be there for the tasks...

but this is beyond your understanding, Microsoft however knows this and is
doing it on purpose



"Justin" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Maybe you should better describe what resources you are referring to?
>
> A lot of people notice how much memory is free after they boot up and are
> not happy. They automatically feel this is "lost memory". For example, I
> have 4GB of memory and when I first boot up I only have 2.3GB free. WTF?
> Where did it go? I don't see the justification for that "lost memory"
> after I add up all my processes. The only justification I receive is the
> usual pre-fetch excuse.
>
> Either way it's hogging the memory. If I do anything to tax my memory,
> more and more memory is freed. In either case why would you want that
> memory sitting there not doing anything? You paid for it! Let windows
> use it.
>
>
>
> "Mario in Dallas" <Mario in > wrote in
> message news:879EB093-E244-4FFD-B4E7-...
>>I would love to recommend Vista to my clients. Anyone know why it is such
>>a
>> resource hog and any plans to make it more lightweight?
>>
>> Mario DiMarcantonio, MCSA
>> Progressive IT Solutions
>> Dallas, Tx
>>
>> www.progressiveitsolutions.com
>>