Why I wont be using Vista again (Long)

I sent this off to Microsoft today, and just thought I'd share it here.


In August 2007 I purchased an Aspire 9410-4541 Laptop from Futureshop. On
Nov 29 I installed XP Pro, and I have been very happy with the laptop since
that date (3 months with Vista, 1.5 Months with XP). The 9410-4541 was not
offered with XP and this is my primary complaint. I decided to try Vista
because I knew Microsoft had spent longer than usual testing it, and I
thought that with 15 years of OS transition experience Microsoft should be
able to bring this OS to market with minimal user impact.

I was mistaken. The transition to Vista has been my worst OS transition
to date, and this is the first time in my life that I have switched to an
older OS. Vista is clearly the least stable and least usable OS to date, and
it reflects very poorly on the reputation of Microsoft that you;
a) Offered an OS that was clearly not adequately tested.
b) Offered an OS with very poor backwards compatibility.
c) Arbitrarily removed common features from the OS
d) Arbitrarily changed functionality in ways that make the OS less
functional, and less ergonomic.
e) Arbitrarily moved and re-named features. This does not in any way
enhance the user experience.

I tend to acquire a new machine every 18 to 24 months. If Vista becomes
the only choice then I will be forced to move to a competing architecture. I
like the Microsoft OS because it has the widest range of available
applications, but if the application base needs to be re-written to run under
the current OS then there is no reason to stick with Microsoft. The only
applications that will be re-written to fix Vista are the applications that
are currently being marketed/developed; these make up a tiny minority of the
available applications.

My Vista experience has cost me at least 40 hours plus an XP license,
these are costs I can not bill through to my customers. I have included a
list of issues I encountered with Vista. Many of these issues are
intentional design issues that will not be fixed with any number of service
packs.

I do hope you can provide me with a usable OS the next time around.

Lorne Kelly


PS On a positive note, my Vista experience has encouraged me to move my
gaming activities back to consoles (Wii). This has turned out to be very
well for me.



-Issues encountered before I started listing dates.
Deleted Internet Explorer etc from desktop, but they still appear in file
manager. I find it hard to work with all this clutter on the desktop.
Text file on desktop will not delete, found an unlocker but it did not work
with vista. Took two hours to get the file off the desktop.
Adobe required me to shutdown explorer from the task manager just to install
Audio mixer no longer allows recording source selection. Vista requires
many clicks to change from line in to mike in.
"go online to find a solution to this problem" software is very inconsistent
- usually just disappears without finishing.
Selected "run" for a download, came back later and the download was gone -
restarted download and nothing was cached. This is reproducible.
If you set two "open with" options for a file, vista creates its own names
for each, and they can't be edited.
The start menu no longer supports drag and drop.
Every file move in the start menu requires a security check.
Start menu is not as ergonomic as the old one. Trying to navigate more than
one level is tricky.
If you select the old start menu the search box disappears.

Sept 18
Pinning a shortcut to the start menu is inconsistent. I've pinned a network
folder before (it's still there), but now vista wont let me.
Explorer crashed again today
FILE MANAGER NO LONGER HAS AN UP BUTTON

Sept 19
Plugged in mouse - no response - requested re-boot and waited at least 5
minuets for vista to shut down. Not even a wait symbol for the first 40
seconds (aprox).
After reboot mouse works, but hard drive is on solid and system is sluggish
Clicked an item from the start menu search and got two launches

Sept 22
Tried to install Dune 2000, installer just disappears with no error. Tried
compatibility modes for win98, win 2000, win 95 etc. Tried run as admin etc.
no good
Spent over an hour trying to get Oni to install - no luck - tried
compatibility modes, administrator, and fresh DX9 install.
THE SEARCH RETURNS INCORRECT RESULTS Running a search for the executable
incorrectly returns c:\Program files\Oni.exe (should be c:\Program
Files\Oni\oni.exe)

Sept 23
In 'my computer', 'Folder options' is shown in the 'Organize' and 'tools'
menu?
Vista launched OpenOffice any time I press W today - reboot fixed problem.


Sept 24
The trash no longer has a 'date deleted'? What if I want to restore the
last three items deleted?
When following a network link, I now have to click the link and then click
'folder target'.
File manager wastes a lot of space in the address bar
File manager obscures the true path when connecting via network.
RECYCLE BIN NO LONGER HAS A 'Sort by date deleted' OPTION! I use this all
the time!

Sept 26
Network discovery and file sharing turned itself off today.
Vista sometimes claims it can't find files that it has already launched
Screen resolution suddenly changed to 1024x768 (no gaming recently – this
started happening
regularly after this)

Sept 28
Vista went to sleep while playing Flightsim 2002, had to restart Flightsim

Oct 3
Windows media player locked up while watching SNL, Vista then lost Internet
connectivity (other PCs on the network were ok), had to reboot.

Oct 16
Found out "help" for VB5 is not supported – why would you remove support for
help? Who doesn't still have some VB code around?
CTRL-TAB kept switching applications had to re-boot


Oct 17
Would not delete a folder - locked - no programs were running
Hard drive on solid & applications opening slowly



Oct 19
Went back to the WinHelp32 issue, took 20min of reading MS webpages, jumping
through "genuine windows" hoops, and downloading poorly documented installs
to get it working.
When you try to drag a file into the empty space in a folder, it highlights
the whole row, and launches whatever it thinks you dragged the file onto.
THIS ONE IS VERY FRUSTRATING.

Oct 20
Dragged a folder to a networked drive and the folder moved rather than
copied there. This arbitrary change in behavior is repeatable, and on
another date I LOST DATA because of it.

Oct 22
Printer icon shows 1 document pending, but nothing in printer queue

Oct 27
Saved lk.doc to desktop, it is not visible on the desktop, but I can open it
from Word's file-recent
Right clicked on desktop to create a folder, and waited a full minute for
the popup before giving up.

Oct 29
Accidentally clicked "Restore all" button in recycle bin (It's more
prominent in Vista). Dozens of files restored to directories with no
confirmation, no undo, and no way to know which files went where.
Oct 30
Save to desktop failure as on Oct 27
In hindsight this was probably just another case of explorer crashing.

Oct 31
Ran updates - now Joost no longer operates
Realized it's been 4 days since I mailed Microsoft, no response from them.

Nov 16
Installed SQL server, install requested THREE patches to run with Vista!
Only one of the three patches worked, the other two failed with an error.


Nov 18
Tried to download nodata.bak from yahoo mail, file was corrupted, had the
file skyped to me, transfer showed success, but file mysteriously disappeared
from desktop. Ran a search, when I clicked on the results found by the
search, Vista gave a "file does not exist" error message. Successfully
downloaded nodata.bak on a win2k machine and transfered it over the network.

Nov 19
Tried to install Visual Studio, IIS was installed, tested, and running on
the OS, but studio can't see it. Looked on the web and found other users
with this problem in Vista, but no solutions.
Multiple patches required for studio on Vista.
Tried to uninstall and re-install SQL server. Reinstall listed 'failed to
install' for more than half of the components.

Nov 20
Tried to uninstall SQL server, got an error message and SQL server
disappeared from add/remove programs list. SQL Server is still taking up
6.5Gigs in program files, but Vista wont let me delete it.
Spent too much time finding the required dos commands to delete system files.
(takeown /F dirname /R) and
(del dirname /F /S /Q)
Nov 29
It ends now. XP Pro installed and working wonderfully.
With the older OS I installed VS, SQL server, AJAX, and AJAX Controls,
imported and populated the database, cubed it, created the application model
database, and wrote a software ADOMD connection in about 2 hours. In Vista I
spent at least two full days trying to get everything working, and it never
did.
Jan 11
No issues to date, everything working well, no stability issues, no quirky
behavior, and all installed apps worked as expected.

I have posted all this, same meaning with slightly different words, about a
thousand times in this newsgroup the last 15 months that vista is around..

All you had to do is come in here and read some posts of me insulting vista
like no one else has insulted it before!

The really sad thing about this whole story is that some IDIOTS in here
insist that vista is the best OS microsoft has ever made...

I say its the worst. By far... by VERY FAR!



"Lorne" <> wrote in message
news:C8BA67D0-37B7-4667-8BBF-...
>I sent this off to Microsoft today, and just thought I'd share it here.
>
>
> In August 2007 I purchased an Aspire 9410-4541 Laptop from Futureshop.
> On
> Nov 29 I installed XP Pro, and I have been very happy with the laptop
> since
> that date (3 months with Vista, 1.5 Months with XP). The 9410-4541 was
> not
> offered with XP and this is my primary complaint. I decided to try Vista
> because I knew Microsoft had spent longer than usual testing it, and I
> thought that with 15 years of OS transition experience Microsoft should be
> able to bring this OS to market with minimal user impact.
>
> I was mistaken. The transition to Vista has been my worst OS transition
> to date, and this is the first time in my life that I have switched to an
> older OS. Vista is clearly the least stable and least usable OS to date,
> and
> it reflects very poorly on the reputation of Microsoft that you;
> a) Offered an OS that was clearly not adequately tested.
> b) Offered an OS with very poor backwards compatibility.
> c) Arbitrarily removed common features from the OS
> d) Arbitrarily changed functionality in ways that make the OS less
> functional, and less ergonomic.
> e) Arbitrarily moved and re-named features. This does not in any way
> enhance the user experience.
>
> I tend to acquire a new machine every 18 to 24 months. If Vista becomes
> the only choice then I will be forced to move to a competing architecture.
> I
> like the Microsoft OS because it has the widest range of available
> applications, but if the application base needs to be re-written to run
> under
> the current OS then there is no reason to stick with Microsoft. The only
> applications that will be re-written to fix Vista are the applications
> that
> are currently being marketed/developed; these make up a tiny minority of
> the
> available applications.
>
> My Vista experience has cost me at least 40 hours plus an XP license,
> these are costs I can not bill through to my customers. I have included a
> list of issues I encountered with Vista. Many of these issues are
> intentional design issues that will not be fixed with any number of
> service
> packs.
>
> I do hope you can provide me with a usable OS the next time around.
>
> Lorne Kelly
>
>
> PS On a positive note, my Vista experience has encouraged me to move my
> gaming activities back to consoles (Wii). This has turned out to be very
> well for me.
>
>
>
> -Issues encountered before I started listing dates.
> Deleted Internet Explorer etc from desktop, but they still appear in file
> manager. I find it hard to work with all this clutter on the desktop.
> Text file on desktop will not delete, found an unlocker but it did not
> work
> with vista. Took two hours to get the file off the desktop.
> Adobe required me to shutdown explorer from the task manager just to
> install
> Audio mixer no longer allows recording source selection. Vista requires
> many clicks to change from line in to mike in.
> "go online to find a solution to this problem" software is very
> inconsistent
> - usually just disappears without finishing.
> Selected "run" for a download, came back later and the download was gone -
> restarted download and nothing was cached. This is reproducible.
> If you set two "open with" options for a file, vista creates its own names
> for each, and they can't be edited.
> The start menu no longer supports drag and drop.
> Every file move in the start menu requires a security check.
> Start menu is not as ergonomic as the old one. Trying to navigate more
> than
> one level is tricky.
> If you select the old start menu the search box disappears.
>
> Sept 18
> Pinning a shortcut to the start menu is inconsistent. I've pinned a
> network
> folder before (it's still there), but now vista wont let me.
> Explorer crashed again today
> FILE MANAGER NO LONGER HAS AN UP BUTTON
>
> Sept 19
> Plugged in mouse - no response - requested re-boot and waited at least 5
> minuets for vista to shut down. Not even a wait symbol for the first 40
> seconds (aprox).
> After reboot mouse works, but hard drive is on solid and system is
> sluggish
> Clicked an item from the start menu search and got two launches
>
> Sept 22
> Tried to install Dune 2000, installer just disappears with no error.
> Tried
> compatibility modes for win98, win 2000, win 95 etc. Tried run as admin
> etc.
> no good
> Spent over an hour trying to get Oni to install - no luck - tried
> compatibility modes, administrator, and fresh DX9 install.
> THE SEARCH RETURNS INCORRECT RESULTS Running a search for the executable
> incorrectly returns c:\Program files\Oni.exe (should be c:\Program
> Files\Oni\oni.exe)
>
> Sept 23
> In 'my computer', 'Folder options' is shown in the 'Organize' and 'tools'
> menu?
> Vista launched OpenOffice any time I press W today - reboot fixed problem.
>
>
> Sept 24
> The trash no longer has a 'date deleted'? What if I want to restore the
> last three items deleted?
> When following a network link, I now have to click the link and then click
> 'folder target'.
> File manager wastes a lot of space in the address bar
> File manager obscures the true path when connecting via network.
> RECYCLE BIN NO LONGER HAS A 'Sort by date deleted' OPTION! I use this all
> the time!
>
> Sept 26
> Network discovery and file sharing turned itself off today.
> Vista sometimes claims it can't find files that it has already launched
> Screen resolution suddenly changed to 1024x768 (no gaming recently - this
> started happening
> regularly after this)
>
> Sept 28
> Vista went to sleep while playing Flightsim 2002, had to restart Flightsim
>
> Oct 3
> Windows media player locked up while watching SNL, Vista then lost
> Internet
> connectivity (other PCs on the network were ok), had to reboot.
>
> Oct 16
> Found out "help" for VB5 is not supported - why would you remove support
> for
> help? Who doesn't still have some VB code around?
> CTRL-TAB kept switching applications had to re-boot
>
>
> Oct 17
> Would not delete a folder - locked - no programs were running
> Hard drive on solid & applications opening slowly
>
>
>
> Oct 19
> Went back to the WinHelp32 issue, took 20min of reading MS webpages,
> jumping
> through "genuine windows" hoops, and downloading poorly documented
> installs
> to get it working.
> When you try to drag a file into the empty space in a folder, it
> highlights
> the whole row, and launches whatever it thinks you dragged the file onto.
> THIS ONE IS VERY FRUSTRATING.
>
> Oct 20
> Dragged a folder to a networked drive and the folder moved rather than
> copied there. This arbitrary change in behavior is repeatable, and on
> another date I LOST DATA because of it.
>
> Oct 22
> Printer icon shows 1 document pending, but nothing in printer queue
>
> Oct 27
> Saved lk.doc to desktop, it is not visible on the desktop, but I can open
> it
> from Word's file-recent
> Right clicked on desktop to create a folder, and waited a full minute for
> the popup before giving up.
>
> Oct 29
> Accidentally clicked "Restore all" button in recycle bin (It's more
> prominent in Vista). Dozens of files restored to directories with no
> confirmation, no undo, and no way to know which files went where.
> Oct 30
> Save to desktop failure as on Oct 27
> In hindsight this was probably just another case of explorer crashing.
>
> Oct 31
> Ran updates - now Joost no longer operates
> Realized it's been 4 days since I mailed Microsoft, no response from them.
>
> Nov 16
> Installed SQL server, install requested THREE patches to run with Vista!
> Only one of the three patches worked, the other two failed with an error.
>
>
> Nov 18
> Tried to download nodata.bak from yahoo mail, file was corrupted, had the
> file skyped to me, transfer showed success, but file mysteriously
> disappeared
> from desktop. Ran a search, when I clicked on the results found by the
> search, Vista gave a "file does not exist" error message. Successfully
> downloaded nodata.bak on a win2k machine and transfered it over the
> network.
>
> Nov 19
> Tried to install Visual Studio, IIS was installed, tested, and running on
> the OS, but studio can't see it. Looked on the web and found other users
> with this problem in Vista, but no solutions.
> Multiple patches required for studio on Vista.
> Tried to uninstall and re-install SQL server. Reinstall listed 'failed
> to
> install' for more than half of the components.
>
> Nov 20
> Tried to uninstall SQL server, got an error message and SQL server
> disappeared from add/remove programs list. SQL Server is still taking up
> 6.5Gigs in program files, but Vista wont let me delete it.
> Spent too much time finding the required dos commands to delete system
> files.
> (takeown /F dirname /R) and
> (del dirname /F /S /Q)
> Nov 29
> It ends now. XP Pro installed and working wonderfully.
> With the older OS I installed VS, SQL server, AJAX, and AJAX Controls,
> imported and populated the database, cubed it, created the application
> model
> database, and wrote a software ADOMD connection in about 2 hours. In
> Vista I
> spent at least two full days trying to get everything working, and it
> never
> did.
> Jan 11
> No issues to date, everything working well, no stability issues, no quirky
> behavior, and all installed apps worked as expected.
>
>

"John Smith" <> wrote in message
news:47881666$...
>I have posted all this, same meaning with slightly different words, about a
>thousand times in this newsgroup the last 15 months that vista is around..
>
> All you had to do is come in here and read some posts of me insulting
> vista like no one else has insulted it before!
>
> The really sad thing about this whole story is that some IDIOTS in here
> insist that vista is the best OS microsoft has ever made...
>
> I say its the worst. By far... by VERY FAR!
>

Awe...did you find another incompetent friend, Tiberius.
The OP can't figure out the Recycle Bin ... what else need be said ?

You may find this helpful ...... (it is a year later and the shareware
industry is like half caught up - if that - as compared to the hustle for
making all things XP compatible):

December 2007 Windows Vista Application Compatibility Update
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943302

Lorne,
Like you I am going back to XP... my problems with Vista began with its
inability to recognize my wireless network for 30 minutes or more at a time.
Sometimes it just wouldn't recognize it at all. The search function is
useless as it returns all kinds of stuff that has nothing to do with the
search parameters. As a test I asked search to find all executable files...
it returned...NOTHING and said no such files were found! Vista is pure
garbage. It's a shame those of us who buy new laptops and PC's are forced to
endure this madness. Microsoft should be ashamed of releasing this junk to
the market.

Ken

"Lorne" wrote:

> I sent this off to Microsoft today, and just thought I'd share it here.
>
>
> In August 2007 I purchased an Aspire 9410-4541 Laptop from Futureshop. On
> Nov 29 I installed XP Pro, and I have been very happy with the laptop since
> that date (3 months with Vista, 1.5 Months with XP). The 9410-4541 was not
> offered with XP and this is my primary complaint. I decided to try Vista
> because I knew Microsoft had spent longer than usual testing it, and I
> thought that with 15 years of OS transition experience Microsoft should be
> able to bring this OS to market with minimal user impact.
>
> I was mistaken. The transition to Vista has been my worst OS transition
> to date, and this is the first time in my life that I have switched to an
> older OS. Vista is clearly the least stable and least usable OS to date, and
> it reflects very poorly on the reputation of Microsoft that you;
> a) Offered an OS that was clearly not adequately tested.
> b) Offered an OS with very poor backwards compatibility.
> c) Arbitrarily removed common features from the OS
> d) Arbitrarily changed functionality in ways that make the OS less
> functional, and less ergonomic.
> e) Arbitrarily moved and re-named features. This does not in any way
> enhance the user experience.
>
> I tend to acquire a new machine every 18 to 24 months. If Vista becomes
> the only choice then I will be forced to move to a competing architecture. I
> like the Microsoft OS because it has the widest range of available
> applications, but if the application base needs to be re-written to run under
> the current OS then there is no reason to stick with Microsoft. The only
> applications that will be re-written to fix Vista are the applications that
> are currently being marketed/developed; these make up a tiny minority of the
> available applications.
>
> My Vista experience has cost me at least 40 hours plus an XP license,
> these are costs I can not bill through to my customers. I have included a
> list of issues I encountered with Vista. Many of these issues are
> intentional design issues that will not be fixed with any number of service
> packs.
>
> I do hope you can provide me with a usable OS the next time around.
>
> Lorne Kelly
>
>
> PS On a positive note, my Vista experience has encouraged me to move my
> gaming activities back to consoles (Wii). This has turned out to be very
> well for me.
>
>
>
> -Issues encountered before I started listing dates.
> Deleted Internet Explorer etc from desktop, but they still appear in file
> manager. I find it hard to work with all this clutter on the desktop.
> Text file on desktop will not delete, found an unlocker but it did not work
> with vista. Took two hours to get the file off the desktop.
> Adobe required me to shutdown explorer from the task manager just to install
> Audio mixer no longer allows recording source selection. Vista requires
> many clicks to change from line in to mike in.
> "go online to find a solution to this problem" software is very inconsistent
> - usually just disappears without finishing.
> Selected "run" for a download, came back later and the download was gone -
> restarted download and nothing was cached. This is reproducible.
> If you set two "open with" options for a file, vista creates its own names
> for each, and they can't be edited.
> The start menu no longer supports drag and drop.
> Every file move in the start menu requires a security check.
> Start menu is not as ergonomic as the old one. Trying to navigate more than
> one level is tricky.
> If you select the old start menu the search box disappears.
>
> Sept 18
> Pinning a shortcut to the start menu is inconsistent. I've pinned a network
> folder before (it's still there), but now vista wont let me.
> Explorer crashed again today
> FILE MANAGER NO LONGER HAS AN UP BUTTON
>
> Sept 19
> Plugged in mouse - no response - requested re-boot and waited at least 5
> minuets for vista to shut down. Not even a wait symbol for the first 40
> seconds (aprox).
> After reboot mouse works, but hard drive is on solid and system is sluggish
> Clicked an item from the start menu search and got two launches
>
> Sept 22
> Tried to install Dune 2000, installer just disappears with no error. Tried
> compatibility modes for win98, win 2000, win 95 etc. Tried run as admin etc.
> no good
> Spent over an hour trying to get Oni to install - no luck - tried
> compatibility modes, administrator, and fresh DX9 install.
> THE SEARCH RETURNS INCORRECT RESULTS Running a search for the executable
> incorrectly returns c:\Program files\Oni.exe (should be c:\Program
> Files\Oni\oni.exe)
>
> Sept 23
> In 'my computer', 'Folder options' is shown in the 'Organize' and 'tools'
> menu?
> Vista launched OpenOffice any time I press W today - reboot fixed problem.
>
>
> Sept 24
> The trash no longer has a 'date deleted'? What if I want to restore the
> last three items deleted?
> When following a network link, I now have to click the link and then click
> 'folder target'.
> File manager wastes a lot of space in the address bar
> File manager obscures the true path when connecting via network.
> RECYCLE BIN NO LONGER HAS A 'Sort by date deleted' OPTION! I use this all
> the time!
>
> Sept 26
> Network discovery and file sharing turned itself off today.
> Vista sometimes claims it can't find files that it has already launched
> Screen resolution suddenly changed to 1024x768 (no gaming recently – this
> started happening
> regularly after this)
>
> Sept 28
> Vista went to sleep while playing Flightsim 2002, had to restart Flightsim
>
> Oct 3
> Windows media player locked up while watching SNL, Vista then lost Internet
> connectivity (other PCs on the network were ok), had to reboot.
>
> Oct 16
> Found out "help" for VB5 is not supported – why would you remove support for
> help? Who doesn't still have some VB code around?
> CTRL-TAB kept switching applications had to re-boot
>
>
> Oct 17
> Would not delete a folder - locked - no programs were running
> Hard drive on solid & applications opening slowly
>
>
>
> Oct 19
> Went back to the WinHelp32 issue, took 20min of reading MS webpages, jumping
> through "genuine windows" hoops, and downloading poorly documented installs
> to get it working.
> When you try to drag a file into the empty space in a folder, it highlights
> the whole row, and launches whatever it thinks you dragged the file onto.
> THIS ONE IS VERY FRUSTRATING.
>
> Oct 20
> Dragged a folder to a networked drive and the folder moved rather than
> copied there. This arbitrary change in behavior is repeatable, and on
> another date I LOST DATA because of it.
>
> Oct 22
> Printer icon shows 1 document pending, but nothing in printer queue
>
> Oct 27
> Saved lk.doc to desktop, it is not visible on the desktop, but I can open it
> from Word's file-recent
> Right clicked on desktop to create a folder, and waited a full minute for
> the popup before giving up.
>
> Oct 29
> Accidentally clicked "Restore all" button in recycle bin (It's more
> prominent in Vista). Dozens of files restored to directories with no
> confirmation, no undo, and no way to know which files went where.
> Oct 30
> Save to desktop failure as on Oct 27
> In hindsight this was probably just another case of explorer crashing.
>
> Oct 31
> Ran updates - now Joost no longer operates
> Realized it's been 4 days since I mailed Microsoft, no response from them.
>
> Nov 16
> Installed SQL server, install requested THREE patches to run with Vista!
> Only one of the three patches worked, the other two failed with an error.
>
>
> Nov 18
> Tried to download nodata.bak from yahoo mail, file was corrupted, had the
> file skyped to me, transfer showed success, but file mysteriously disappeared
> from desktop. Ran a search, when I clicked on the results found by the
> search, Vista gave a "file does not exist" error message. Successfully
> downloaded nodata.bak on a win2k machine and transfered it over the network.
>
> Nov 19
> Tried to install Visual Studio, IIS was installed, tested, and running on
> the OS, but studio can't see it. Looked on the web and found other users
> with this problem in Vista, but no solutions.
> Multiple patches required for studio on Vista.
> Tried to uninstall and re-install SQL server. Reinstall listed 'failed to
> install' for more than half of the components.
>
> Nov 20
> Tried to uninstall SQL server, got an error message and SQL server
> disappeared from add/remove programs list. SQL Server is still taking up
> 6.5Gigs in program files, but Vista wont let me delete it.
> Spent too much time finding the required dos commands to delete system files.
> (takeown /F dirname /R) and
> (del dirname /F /S /Q)
> Nov 29
> It ends now. XP Pro installed and working wonderfully.
> With the older OS I installed VS, SQL server, AJAX, and AJAX Controls,
> imported and populated the database, cubed it, created the application model
> database, and wrote a software ADOMD connection in about 2 hours. In Vista I
> spent at least two full days trying to get everything working, and it never
> did.
> Jan 11
> No issues to date, everything working well, no stability issues, no quirky
> behavior, and all installed apps worked as expected.
>
>

I went back to XP after a year on Vista. I tried SP1 not much better.
Maybe Vista SP2 will be worth running.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:08:00 -0800, Lorne
<> wrote:

>I sent this off to Microsoft today, and just thought I'd share it here.
>
>
> In August 2007 I purchased an Aspire 9410-4541 Laptop from Futureshop. On
>Nov 29 I installed XP Pro, and I have been very happy with the laptop since
>that date (3 months with Vista, 1.5 Months with XP). The 9410-4541 was not
>offered with XP and this is my primary complaint. I decided to try Vista
>because I knew Microsoft had spent longer than usual testing it, and I
>thought that with 15 years of OS transition experience Microsoft should be
>able to bring this OS to market with minimal user impact.
>
> I was mistaken. The transition to Vista has been my worst OS transition
>to date, and this is the first time in my life that I have switched to an
>older OS. Vista is clearly the least stable and least usable OS to date, and
>it reflects very poorly on the reputation of Microsoft that you;
>a) Offered an OS that was clearly not adequately tested.
>b) Offered an OS with very poor backwards compatibility.
>c) Arbitrarily removed common features from the OS
>d) Arbitrarily changed functionality in ways that make the OS less
>functional, and less ergonomic.
>e) Arbitrarily moved and re-named features. This does not in any way
>enhance the user experience.
>
> I tend to acquire a new machine every 18 to 24 months. If Vista becomes
>the only choice then I will be forced to move to a competing architecture. I
>like the Microsoft OS because it has the widest range of available
>applications, but if the application base needs to be re-written to run under
>the current OS then there is no reason to stick with Microsoft. The only
>applications that will be re-written to fix Vista are the applications that
>are currently being marketed/developed; these make up a tiny minority of the
>available applications.
>
> My Vista experience has cost me at least 40 hours plus an XP license,
>these are costs I can not bill through to my customers. I have included a
>list of issues I encountered with Vista. Many of these issues are
>intentional design issues that will not be fixed with any number of service
>packs.
>
> I do hope you can provide me with a usable OS the next time around.
>
>Lorne Kelly
>
>
>PS On a positive note, my Vista experience has encouraged me to move my
>gaming activities back to consoles (Wii). This has turned out to be very
>well for me.
>
>
>
>-Issues encountered before I started listing dates.
>Deleted Internet Explorer etc from desktop, but they still appear in file
>manager. I find it hard to work with all this clutter on the desktop.
>Text file on desktop will not delete, found an unlocker but it did not work
>with vista. Took two hours to get the file off the desktop.
>Adobe required me to shutdown explorer from the task manager just to install
>Audio mixer no longer allows recording source selection. Vista requires
>many clicks to change from line in to mike in.
>"go online to find a solution to this problem" software is very inconsistent
>- usually just disappears without finishing.
>Selected "run" for a download, came back later and the download was gone -
>restarted download and nothing was cached. This is reproducible.
>If you set two "open with" options for a file, vista creates its own names
>for each, and they can't be edited.
>The start menu no longer supports drag and drop.
>Every file move in the start menu requires a security check.
>Start menu is not as ergonomic as the old one. Trying to navigate more than
>one level is tricky.
>If you select the old start menu the search box disappears.
>
>Sept 18
>Pinning a shortcut to the start menu is inconsistent. I've pinned a network
>folder before (it's still there), but now vista wont let me.
>Explorer crashed again today
>FILE MANAGER NO LONGER HAS AN UP BUTTON
>
>Sept 19
>Plugged in mouse - no response - requested re-boot and waited at least 5
>minuets for vista to shut down. Not even a wait symbol for the first 40
>seconds (aprox).
>After reboot mouse works, but hard drive is on solid and system is sluggish
>Clicked an item from the start menu search and got two launches
>
>Sept 22
>Tried to install Dune 2000, installer just disappears with no error. Tried
>compatibility modes for win98, win 2000, win 95 etc. Tried run as admin etc.
>no good
>Spent over an hour trying to get Oni to install - no luck - tried
>compatibility modes, administrator, and fresh DX9 install.
>THE SEARCH RETURNS INCORRECT RESULTS Running a search for the executable
>incorrectly returns c:\Program files\Oni.exe (should be c:\Program
>Files\Oni\oni.exe)
>
>Sept 23
>In 'my computer', 'Folder options' is shown in the 'Organize' and 'tools'
>menu?
>Vista launched OpenOffice any time I press W today - reboot fixed problem.
>
>
>Sept 24
>The trash no longer has a 'date deleted'? What if I want to restore the
>last three items deleted?
>When following a network link, I now have to click the link and then click
>'folder target'.
>File manager wastes a lot of space in the address bar
>File manager obscures the true path when connecting via network.
>RECYCLE BIN NO LONGER HAS A 'Sort by date deleted' OPTION! I use this all
>the time!
>
>Sept 26
>Network discovery and file sharing turned itself off today.
>Vista sometimes claims it can't find files that it has already launched
>Screen resolution suddenly changed to 1024x768 (no gaming recently – this
>started happening
>regularly after this)
>
>Sept 28
>Vista went to sleep while playing Flightsim 2002, had to restart Flightsim
>
>Oct 3
>Windows media player locked up while watching SNL, Vista then lost Internet
>connectivity (other PCs on the network were ok), had to reboot.
>
>Oct 16
>Found out "help" for VB5 is not supported – why would you remove support for
>help? Who doesn't still have some VB code around?
>CTRL-TAB kept switching applications had to re-boot
>
>
>Oct 17
>Would not delete a folder - locked - no programs were running
>Hard drive on solid & applications opening slowly
>
>
>
>Oct 19
>Went back to the WinHelp32 issue, took 20min of reading MS webpages, jumping
>through "genuine windows" hoops, and downloading poorly documented installs
>to get it working.
>When you try to drag a file into the empty space in a folder, it highlights
>the whole row, and launches whatever it thinks you dragged the file onto.
>THIS ONE IS VERY FRUSTRATING.
>
>Oct 20
>Dragged a folder to a networked drive and the folder moved rather than
>copied there. This arbitrary change in behavior is repeatable, and on
>another date I LOST DATA because of it.
>
>Oct 22
>Printer icon shows 1 document pending, but nothing in printer queue
>
>Oct 27
>Saved lk.doc to desktop, it is not visible on the desktop, but I can open it
>from Word's file-recent
>Right clicked on desktop to create a folder, and waited a full minute for
>the popup before giving up.
>
>Oct 29
>Accidentally clicked "Restore all" button in recycle bin (It's more
>prominent in Vista). Dozens of files restored to directories with no
>confirmation, no undo, and no way to know which files went where.
>Oct 30
>Save to desktop failure as on Oct 27
>In hindsight this was probably just another case of explorer crashing.
>
>Oct 31
>Ran updates - now Joost no longer operates
>Realized it's been 4 days since I mailed Microsoft, no response from them.
>
>Nov 16
>Installed SQL server, install requested THREE patches to run with Vista!
>Only one of the three patches worked, the other two failed with an error.
>
>
>Nov 18
>Tried to download nodata.bak from yahoo mail, file was corrupted, had the
>file skyped to me, transfer showed success, but file mysteriously disappeared
>from desktop. Ran a search, when I clicked on the results found by the
>search, Vista gave a "file does not exist" error message. Successfully
>downloaded nodata.bak on a win2k machine and transfered it over the network.
>
>Nov 19
>Tried to install Visual Studio, IIS was installed, tested, and running on
>the OS, but studio can't see it. Looked on the web and found other users
>with this problem in Vista, but no solutions.
>Multiple patches required for studio on Vista.
>Tried to uninstall and re-install SQL server. Reinstall listed 'failed to
>install' for more than half of the components.
>
>Nov 20
>Tried to uninstall SQL server, got an error message and SQL server
>disappeared from add/remove programs list. SQL Server is still taking up
>6.5Gigs in program files, but Vista wont let me delete it.
>Spent too much time finding the required dos commands to delete system files.
>(takeown /F dirname /R) and
>(del dirname /F /S /Q)
>Nov 29
>It ends now. XP Pro installed and working wonderfully.
>With the older OS I installed VS, SQL server, AJAX, and AJAX Controls,
>imported and populated the database, cubed it, created the application model
>database, and wrote a software ADOMD connection in about 2 hours. In Vista I
>spent at least two full days trying to get everything working, and it never
>did.
> Jan 11
>No issues to date, everything working well, no stability issues, no quirky
>behavior, and all installed apps worked as expected.
>

Lorne wrote:

> I sent this off to Microsoft today, and just thought I'd share it here.
>
>
> In August 2007 I purchased an Aspire 9410-4541 Laptop from Futureshop. On
> Nov 29 I installed XP Pro, and I have been very happy with the laptop since
> that date (3 months with Vista, 1.5 Months with XP). The 9410-4541 wasnot
> offered with XP and this is my primary complaint. I decided to try Vista
> because I knew Microsoft had spent longer than usual testing it, and I
> thought that with 15 years of OS transition experience Microsoft shouldbe
> able to bring this OS to market with minimal user impact.
>
> I was mistaken. The transition to Vista has been my worst OS transition
> to date, and this is the first time in my life that I have switched to an
> older OS. Vista is clearly the least stable and least usable OS to date, and
> it reflects very poorly on the reputation of Microsoft that you;
> a) Offered an OS that was clearly not adequately tested.
> b) Offered an OS with very poor backwards compatibility.
> c) Arbitrarily removed common features from the OS
> d) Arbitrarily changed functionality in ways that make the OS less
> functional, and less ergonomic.
> e) Arbitrarily moved and re-named features. This does not in any way
> enhance the user experience.
>
> I tend to acquire a new machine every 18 to 24 months. If Vista becomes
> the only choice then I will be forced to move to a competing architecture. I
> like the Microsoft OS because it has the widest range of available
> applications, but if the application base needs to be re-written to rununder
> the current OS then there is no reason to stick with Microsoft. The only
> applications that will be re-written to fix Vista are the applications that
> are currently being marketed/developed; these make up a tiny minority of the
> available applications.
>
> My Vista experience has cost me at least 40 hours plus an XP license,
> these are costs I can not bill through to my customers. I have included a
> list of issues I encountered with Vista. Many of these issues are
> intentional design issues that will not be fixed with any number of service
> packs.
>
> I do hope you can provide me with a usable OS the next time around.
>
> Lorne Kelly
>
>
> PS On a positive note, my Vista experience has encouraged me to move my
> gaming activities back to consoles (Wii). This has turned out to be very
> well for me.
>
>
>
> -Issues encountered before I started listing dates.
> Deleted Internet Explorer etc from desktop, but they still appear in file
> manager. I find it hard to work with all this clutter on the desktop.
> Text file on desktop will not delete, found an unlocker but it did not work
> with vista. Took two hours to get the file off the desktop.
> Adobe required me to shutdown explorer from the task manager just to install
> Audio mixer no longer allows recording source selection. Vista requires
> many clicks to change from line in to mike in.
> "go online to find a solution to this problem" software is very inconsistent
> - usually just disappears without finishing.
> Selected "run" for a download, came back later and the download was gone -
> restarted download and nothing was cached. This is reproducible.
> If you set two "open with" options for a file, vista creates its own names
> for each, and they can't be edited.
> The start menu no longer supports drag and drop.
> Every file move in the start menu requires a security check.
> Start menu is not as ergonomic as the old one. Trying to navigate more than
> one level is tricky.
> If you select the old start menu the search box disappears.
>
> Sept 18
> Pinning a shortcut to the start menu is inconsistent. I've pinned a network
> folder before (it's still there), but now vista wont let me.
> Explorer crashed again today
> FILE MANAGER NO LONGER HAS AN UP BUTTON
>
> Sept 19
> Plugged in mouse - no response - requested re-boot and waited at least 5
> minuets for vista to shut down. Not even a wait symbol for the first 40
> seconds (aprox).
> After reboot mouse works, but hard drive is on solid and system is sluggish
> Clicked an item from the start menu search and got two launches
>
> Sept 22
> Tried to install Dune 2000, installer just disappears with no error. Tried
> compatibility modes for win98, win 2000, win 95 etc. Tried run as admin etc.
> no good
> Spent over an hour trying to get Oni to install - no luck - tried
> compatibility modes, administrator, and fresh DX9 install.
> THE SEARCH RETURNS INCORRECT RESULTS Running a search for the executable
> incorrectly returns c:\Program files\Oni.exe (should be c:\Program
> Files\Oni\oni.exe)
>
> Sept 23
> In 'my computer', 'Folder options' is shown in the 'Organize' and 'tools'
> menu?
> Vista launched OpenOffice any time I press W today - reboot fixed problem.
>
>
> Sept 24
> The trash no longer has a 'date deleted'? What if I want to restore the
> last three items deleted?
> When following a network link, I now have to click the link and then click
> 'folder target'.
> File manager wastes a lot of space in the address bar
> File manager obscures the true path when connecting via network.
> RECYCLE BIN NO LONGER HAS A 'Sort by date deleted' OPTION! I use this all
> the time!
>
> Sept 26
> Network discovery and file sharing turned itself off today.
> Vista sometimes claims it can't find files that it has already launched
> Screen resolution suddenly changed to 1024x768 (no gaming recently – this
> started happening
> regularly after this)
>
> Sept 28
> Vista went to sleep while playing Flightsim 2002, had to restart Flightsim
>
> Oct 3
> Windows media player locked up while watching SNL, Vista then lost Internet
> connectivity (other PCs on the network were ok), had to reboot.
>
> Oct 16
> Found out "help" for VB5 is not supported – why would you remove support for
> help? Who doesn't still have some VB code around?
> CTRL-TAB kept switching applications had to re-boot
>
>
> Oct 17
> Would not delete a folder - locked - no programs were running
> Hard drive on solid & applications opening slowly
>
>
>
> Oct 19
> Went back to the WinHelp32 issue, took 20min of reading MS webpages, jumping
> through "genuine windows" hoops, and downloading poorly documented installs
> to get it working.
> When you try to drag a file into the empty space in a folder, it highlights
> the whole row, and launches whatever it thinks you dragged the file onto.
> THIS ONE IS VERY FRUSTRATING.
>
> Oct 20
> Dragged a folder to a networked drive and the folder moved rather than
> copied there. This arbitrary change in behavior is repeatable, and on
> another date I LOST DATA because of it.
>
> Oct 22
> Printer icon shows 1 document pending, but nothing in printer queue
>
> Oct 27
> Saved lk.doc to desktop, it is not visible on the desktop, but I can open it
> from Word's file-recent
> Right clicked on desktop to create a folder, and waited a full minute for
> the popup before giving up.
>
> Oct 29
> Accidentally clicked "Restore all" button in recycle bin (It's more
> prominent in Vista). Dozens of files restored to directories with no
> confirmation, no undo, and no way to know which files went where.
> Oct 30
> Save to desktop failure as on Oct 27
> In hindsight this was probably just another case of explorer crashing.
>
> Oct 31
> Ran updates - now Joost no longer operates
> Realized it's been 4 days since I mailed Microsoft, no response from them.
>
> Nov 16
> Installed SQL server, install requested THREE patches to run with Vista!
> Only one of the three patches worked, the other two failed with an error.
>
>
> Nov 18
> Tried to download nodata.bak from yahoo mail, file was corrupted, had the
> file skyped to me, transfer showed success, but file mysteriously disappeared
> from desktop. Ran a search, when I clicked on the results found by the
> search, Vista gave a "file does not exist" error message. Successfully
> downloaded nodata.bak on a win2k machine and transfered it over the network.
>
> Nov 19
> Tried to install Visual Studio, IIS was installed, tested, and running on
> the OS, but studio can't see it. Looked on the web and found other users
> with this problem in Vista, but no solutions.
> Multiple patches required for studio on Vista.
> Tried to uninstall and re-install SQL server. Reinstall listed 'failed to
> install' for more than half of the components.
>
> Nov 20
> Tried to uninstall SQL server, got an error message and SQL server
> disappeared from add/remove programs list. SQL Server is still taking up
> 6.5Gigs in program files, but Vista wont let me delete it.
> Spent too much time finding the required dos commands to delete system files.
> (takeown /F dirname /R) and
> (del dirname /F /S /Q)
> Nov 29
> It ends now. XP Pro installed and working wonderfully.
> With the older OS I installed VS, SQL server, AJAX, and AJAX Controls,
> imported and populated the database, cubed it, created the application model
> database, and wrote a software ADOMD connection in about 2 hours. In Vista I
> spent at least two full days trying to get everything working, and it never
> did.
> Jan 11
> No issues to date, everything working well, no stability issues, no quirky
> behavior, and all installed apps worked as expected.
>
>


hehehe...never...and I mean never...admit in public that our are an
idiot...something that you've just done.
Use XP until the hell freezes over.
Frank

"The transition to Vista has been my worst OS transition to date, and this
is the first time in my life that I have switched to an older OS. Vista is
clearly the least stable and least usable OS to date......"

The transition from XP to Vista has been my BEST transition to date and
Vista is more stable on my setup than XP. Makes me wonder what you are
doing wrong.

"Frank" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Lorne wrote:
>
>> I sent this off to Microsoft today, and just thought I'd share it here.
>>
>>
>> In August 2007 I purchased an Aspire 9410-4541 Laptop from Futureshop.
>> On Nov 29 I installed XP Pro, and I have been very happy with the laptop
>> since that date (3 months with Vista, 1.5 Months with XP). The 9410-4541
>> was not offered with XP and this is my primary complaint. I decided to
>> try Vista because I knew Microsoft had spent longer than usual testing
>> it, and I thought that with 15 years of OS transition experience
>> Microsoft should be able to bring this OS to market with minimal user
>> impact.
>>
>> I was mistaken. The transition to Vista has been my worst OS
>> transition to date, and this is the first time in my life that I have
>> switched to an older OS. Vista is clearly the least stable and least
>> usable OS to date, and it reflects very poorly on the reputation of
>> Microsoft that you;
>> a) Offered an OS that was clearly not adequately tested.
>> b) Offered an OS with very poor backwards compatibility.
>> c) Arbitrarily removed common features from the OS
>> d) Arbitrarily changed functionality in ways that make the OS less
>> functional, and less ergonomic.
>> e) Arbitrarily moved and re-named features. This does not in any way
>> enhance the user experience.
>>
>> I tend to acquire a new machine every 18 to 24 months. If Vista
>> becomes the only choice then I will be forced to move to a competing
>> architecture. I like the Microsoft OS because it has the widest range of
>> available applications, but if the application base needs to be
>> re-written to run under the current OS then there is no reason to stick
>> with Microsoft. The only applications that will be re-written to fix
>> Vista are the applications that are currently being marketed/developed;
>> these make up a tiny minority of the available applications.
>>
>> My Vista experience has cost me at least 40 hours plus an XP license,
>> these are costs I can not bill through to my customers. I have included
>> a list of issues I encountered with Vista. Many of these issues are
>> intentional design issues that will not be fixed with any number of
>> service packs.
>>
>> I do hope you can provide me with a usable OS the next time around.
>>
>> Lorne Kelly
>>
>>
>> PS On a positive note, my Vista experience has encouraged me to move my
>> gaming activities back to consoles (Wii). This has turned out to be very
>> well for me.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Issues encountered before I started listing dates.
>> Deleted Internet Explorer etc from desktop, but they still appear in file
>> manager. I find it hard to work with all this clutter on the desktop.
>> Text file on desktop will not delete, found an unlocker but it did not
>> work with vista. Took two hours to get the file off the desktop.
>> Adobe required me to shutdown explorer from the task manager just to
>> install
>> Audio mixer no longer allows recording source selection. Vista requires
>> many clicks to change from line in to mike in.
>> "go online to find a solution to this problem" software is very
>> inconsistent - usually just disappears without finishing.
>> Selected "run" for a download, came back later and the download was
>> gone - restarted download and nothing was cached. This is reproducible.
>> If you set two "open with" options for a file, vista creates its own
>> names for each, and they can't be edited. The start menu no longer
>> supports drag and drop. Every file move in the start menu requires a
>> security check.
>> Start menu is not as ergonomic as the old one. Trying to navigate more
>> than one level is tricky.
>> If you select the old start menu the search box disappears.
>>
>> Sept 18
>> Pinning a shortcut to the start menu is inconsistent. I've pinned a
>> network folder before (it's still there), but now vista wont let me.
>> Explorer crashed again today
>> FILE MANAGER NO LONGER HAS AN UP BUTTON Sept 19 Plugged in mouse - no
>> response - requested re-boot and waited at least 5 minuets for vista to
>> shut down. Not even a wait symbol for the first 40 seconds (aprox).
>> After reboot mouse works, but hard drive is on solid and system is
>> sluggish
>> Clicked an item from the start menu search and got two launches
>>
>> Sept 22
>> Tried to install Dune 2000, installer just disappears with no error.
>> Tried compatibility modes for win98, win 2000, win 95 etc. Tried run as
>> admin etc. no good
>> Spent over an hour trying to get Oni to install - no luck - tried
>> compatibility modes, administrator, and fresh DX9 install.
>> THE SEARCH RETURNS INCORRECT RESULTS Running a search for the executable
>> incorrectly returns c:\Program files\Oni.exe (should be c:\Program
>> Files\Oni\oni.exe) Sept 23
>> In 'my computer', 'Folder options' is shown in the 'Organize' and
>> 'tools' menu? Vista launched OpenOffice any time I press W today - reboot
>> fixed problem.
>>
>>
>> Sept 24
>> The trash no longer has a 'date deleted'? What if I want to restore the
>> last three items deleted?
>> When following a network link, I now have to click the link and then
>> click 'folder target'.
>> File manager wastes a lot of space in the address bar File manager
>> obscures the true path when connecting via network.
>> RECYCLE BIN NO LONGER HAS A 'Sort by date deleted' OPTION! I use this
>> all the time!
>>
>> Sept 26
>> Network discovery and file sharing turned itself off today.
>> Vista sometimes claims it can't find files that it has already launched
>> Screen resolution suddenly changed to 1024x768 (no gaming recently – this
>> started happening regularly after this)
>>
>> Sept 28
>> Vista went to sleep while playing Flightsim 2002, had to restart
>> Flightsim
>>
>> Oct 3
>> Windows media player locked up while watching SNL, Vista then lost
>> Internet connectivity (other PCs on the network were ok), had to reboot.
>>
>> Oct 16
>> Found out "help" for VB5 is not supported – why would you remove support
>> for help? Who doesn't still have some VB code around?
>> CTRL-TAB kept switching applications had to re-boot
>>
>>
>> Oct 17
>> Would not delete a folder - locked - no programs were running
>> Hard drive on solid & applications opening slowly
>>
>>
>>
>> Oct 19
>> Went back to the WinHelp32 issue, took 20min of reading MS webpages,
>> jumping through "genuine windows" hoops, and downloading poorly
>> documented installs to get it working.
>> When you try to drag a file into the empty space in a folder, it
>> highlights the whole row, and launches whatever it thinks you dragged the
>> file onto. THIS ONE IS VERY FRUSTRATING.
>>
>> Oct 20
>> Dragged a folder to a networked drive and the folder moved rather than
>> copied there. This arbitrary change in behavior is repeatable, and on
>> another date I LOST DATA because of it.
>>
>> Oct 22
>> Printer icon shows 1 document pending, but nothing in printer queue
>>
>> Oct 27
>> Saved lk.doc to desktop, it is not visible on the desktop, but I can open
>> it from Word's file-recent
>> Right clicked on desktop to create a folder, and waited a full minute for
>> the popup before giving up.
>>
>> Oct 29
>> Accidentally clicked "Restore all" button in recycle bin (It's more
>> prominent in Vista). Dozens of files restored to directories with no
>> confirmation, no undo, and no way to know which files went where. Oct 30
>> Save to desktop failure as on Oct 27
>> In hindsight this was probably just another case of explorer crashing.
>>
>> Oct 31
>> Ran updates - now Joost no longer operates
>> Realized it's been 4 days since I mailed Microsoft, no response from
>> them.
>>
>> Nov 16
>> Installed SQL server, install requested THREE patches to run with Vista!
>> Only one of the three patches worked, the other two failed with an error.
>>
>>
>> Nov 18
>> Tried to download nodata.bak from yahoo mail, file was corrupted, had the
>> file skyped to me, transfer showed success, but file mysteriously
>> disappeared from desktop. Ran a search, when I clicked on the results
>> found by the search, Vista gave a "file does not exist" error message.
>> Successfully downloaded nodata.bak on a win2k machine and transfered it
>> over the network.
>>
>> Nov 19
>> Tried to install Visual Studio, IIS was installed, tested, and running on
>> the OS, but studio can't see it. Looked on the web and found other users
>> with this problem in Vista, but no solutions. Multiple patches required
>> for studio on Vista. Tried to uninstall and re-install SQL server.
>> Reinstall listed 'failed to install' for more than half of the
>> components. Nov 20
>> Tried to uninstall SQL server, got an error message and SQL server
>> disappeared from add/remove programs list. SQL Server is still taking up
>> 6.5Gigs in program files, but Vista wont let me delete it.
>> Spent too much time finding the required dos commands to delete system
>> files.
>> (takeown /F dirname /R) and
>> (del dirname /F /S /Q)
>> Nov 29
>> It ends now. XP Pro installed and working wonderfully.
>> With the older OS I installed VS, SQL server, AJAX, and AJAX Controls,
>> imported and populated the database, cubed it, created the application
>> model database, and wrote a software ADOMD connection in about 2 hours.
>> In Vista I spent at least two full days trying to get everything working,
>> and it never did.
>> Jan 11
>> No issues to date, everything working well, no stability issues, no
>> quirky behavior, and all installed apps worked as expected.
>>
>>
>
>
> hehehe...never...and I mean never...admit in public that our are an
> idiot...something that you've just done.
> Use XP until the hell freezes over.
> Frank

>
> hehehe...never...and I mean never...admit in public that our are an
> idiot...something that you've just done.
> Use XP until the hell freezes over.
> Frank

Come on frankie - you admit or at least demonstrate that you are an idiot
almost daily!

ray wrote:
>>hehehe...never...and I mean never...admit in public that our are an
>>idiot...something that you've just done.
>>Use XP until the hell freezes over.
>>Frank
>
>
> Come on frankie - you admit or at least demonstrate that you are an idiot
> almost daily!
>

Only ubuntu uses (like you?) are capable of that folly.
Frank