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>>>> I find, with regret, pieces of Outlook in Live Mail like the handling
>>>> of 'Storage Folders' (one can't use mail rules to move messages from
>>>> active folder to 'Storage Folders', requiring manual movement to same,
>>>> just idiotic!), ...
>
>>> I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'active' account.
>
>> The one most folks see in Live Mail unless they use IMAP for all their
>> mail: their main POP account.
>
> For certain values of 'most'. I have currently 21 POP3 accounts. Some of
> these are identical to HTTP accounts that I have, for nefarious reasons of
> my own. If there is any 'generic' sort of account, I suspect it would be
> an HTTP one. I couldn't say which of my accounts you would regard as the
> active one.
>
>>> There are restrictions on mail rules imposed by the synchronization
>>> regime used for HTTP and IMAP accounts. Rules will move messages from a
>>> POP3 account to Storage folders or any folder under any POP account.
>
>> Sorry but no, Mail Rules do NOT move messages from my POP3 account to
>> Storage Folders, or to be precise, Storage folders/Imported Folder/Local
>> Folders/Inbox/etc. It is as if such an operation is just ignored by Live
>> Mail, actually.
>
> Then your rules are malformed. I would start by moving messages to folders
> where I want them to be, not the (temporary) storage utilized by a
> migration utility.
The 'temporary storage' being Storage Folders? Or the otherwise-unopenable
Easy Transfer file? The rules work just fine on folders only in the POP
account, just as they did in OE under XPSP3.
>> The whole situation began post-Easy Transfer, when the import of my POP3
>> account was done, replicating all messages right into Storage Folders,
>> instead of where my cursor had been, the Inbox of my (only) POP3 account.
>> There were a lot of messages organized into a series of folders and
>> sub-folders that I'd been using under OE, with Mail Rules, very
>> effectively might I add.
>>
>> Upon finding that I couldn't drag any of the folders under Storage
>> Folders into the new structure of my POP3 account, ...
>
> Then you will have discovered that you can't move *folders* - only
> *messages*. This is because of the way that the database keeps track of
> which messages are where.
'the database' being what, precisely? If whatever the database is keeps
track of folders when I move them from adjacent folders to other ones
(inside the same POP account, again just not to-from Storage Folders), and
it keeps track of the folders the messages are in, why can't they be moved
between two sets of folders, aka the POP account and Storage Folders? Is it
then that there are two 'databases' at work and each are somehow mutually
exclusive via different technology?
> Create the folders you want where you want them, then highlight the
> messages you want to reside in those folders, right-click and select Move
> to folder.
Doesn't work from Storage Folders, yet again. I am having to perform a
manual file management operation as a result, manually replicating the
folder structure as well. Smells like a design gap.
>> I inquired here and elsewhere newsgroup-wise to find others who had the
>> same problem, as well as the Rules one.. (I've been surprised more
>> people haven't complained about it.) So I went about the business of
>> finding the behavior of Live Mail:
>>
>> 1. Imported, enacted Mail Rules didn't send messages from the receiving
>> POP3 account to anywhere in Storage Folders, despite appearing to go
>> through all my newly-received (and non-foldered) messages in Inbox; they
>> do function to move stuff to folders under my POP3 account, ...
>
> It sounds as if your rules were migrated along with everything else. That
> is quite convenient, but it's a bit much to expect WLMail to understand
> your own personalized folder structure and its relation to the one you may
> have had in Outlook, where the only folders are virtual ones deeply hidden
> in the recesses of a PST file.
I never said I was expecting anything other than what the program purports
to do: help manage messages and the folders they're in, and I never expected
a program to 'understand' anything. In any event, one can move whole
folders between PST files. Just not between Storage Folders and anything
else.
> Go through your rules and check that the folders you are expecting them to
> move things to are the ones you actually want them to move things to.
This is not the problem, as previously stated. It's the fact that rules
won't move received messages into Storage Folders, despite the fact that the
mail rules dialogs allow you to select a Storage Folder for a target, with
no error, and this allegedly invalid rule will act as if it performs the
task, but moves no message and produces no error.
> Rules are supposed to act on messages as they are received.
As expected. Rules are also supposed to act on messages when one selects
Apply Now. Else the button should be removed from the program.
> If you are using the convenience function of applying rules to messages
> already received, you should be aware of a bug which may cause rules
> 'applied now' and acting on the 'From:' line to malfunction. See my post
> news://
> of a couple of days ago.
Kindly submit an actual url to the message so I can see it. The above link
creates an entire new news account with no reference point.
>> 2. New Mail Rules produce the same non-result;
>> 3. Editing an imported or new Mail Rule one can select the target folder
>> via a dialog that allows you to select folders under Storage Folders/etc,
>> but the rule is non-effectual nonetheless.
>
> See above.
I assume that means your post, so if you can reference the actual url for it
I'll be able to see it.
>>> If you want to apply rules to, say, your Hotmail account, set it up as a
>>> POP3 account.
>
>> Hotmail's not POP3, the last time I checked.
>
> http://windowslivehelp.com/solutions...il-client.aspx
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/bdjzhm
>
>> but in a manner reminiscent of Outlook, the folder tree doesn't get
>> expanded to show unread messages.
>
> [Tools >] Options > General > select Automatically display folders with
> unread messages
It's already checked by default, but doesn't function.
>> (I suspect the presence of 'Unread messages' at the top of the left-hand
>> pane in Live Mail is the workaround for this annoying item.)
>
> The Unread messages Quick view does indeed give an immediate method of
> seeing what messages are unread in all folders. You could regard it as the
> result of a search: SELECT * WHERE READ=FALSE. Many users find this, and
> the other Quick views, very useful.
I find it a saving grace that's probably a workaround for a design error.
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