Win7 64 XP Mode vs Virtualbox

Is there any reason to believe that Win7 XP mode would be any better at
dealing with an XP 32bit driver than Virtualbox or other third party VM
on a 64bit system?

I have Win7 HP 64bit and I want to use an older Palm Tungsten E with it.
There are no 64bit USB drivers for Win7 for this palm from the
manufacturer and they don't intend to create any. I tried installing
XPP (32) in a VB VM and the palm driver would not install. I was
wondering if "XP Mode" in Win7 would be likely to fare better. I would
just try it myself, but Win7HP won't run in "XP Mode".

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:47:32 -0600, CybrGuy <> wrote:

>Is there any reason to believe that Win7 XP mode would be any better at
>dealing with an XP 32bit driver than Virtualbox or other third party VM
>on a 64bit system?
>
>I have Win7 HP 64bit and I want to use an older Palm Tungsten E with it.
> There are no 64bit USB drivers for Win7 for this palm from the
>manufacturer and they don't intend to create any. I tried installing
>XPP (32) in a VB VM and the palm driver would not install. I was
>wondering if "XP Mode" in Win7 would be likely to fare better. I would
>just try it myself, but Win7HP won't run in "XP Mode".

Possibly. All the VM engines are slightly different. You could also
try VMWare Player 3.

Your HP does not have hardware virtualization?

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
http://smudj.wordpress.com/

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:47:32 -0600, CybrGuy <> wrote:

>Is there any reason to believe that Win7 XP mode would be any better at
>dealing with an XP 32bit driver than Virtualbox or other third party VM
>on a 64bit system?
>
>I have Win7 HP 64bit and I want to use an older Palm Tungsten E with it.
> There are no 64bit USB drivers for Win7 for this palm from the
>manufacturer and they don't intend to create any. I tried installing
>XPP (32) in a VB VM and the palm driver would not install. I was
>wondering if "XP Mode" in Win7 would be likely to fare better. I would
>just try it myself, but Win7HP won't run in "XP Mode".

I have used VMWare Workstation 6 and 7 and VMWare Player 2 and 3.
All work with USB devices very well (I am assuming that when you talk
about Palm Tungsten it is some kind of gadget that attaches via USB).
What I have used (without issues) so far is:
- Safenet SuperPro software protection dongle
- Memory sticks
- USB connected hard drives
- 3G Mobile Internet modems
- Printers
They "just work" when you connect them to the host when the virtual
machine is running and has focus. They appear in the guest as a new or
recognized device.

I think you will not have any problems with say Player 3 in this
respect.

--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)

On 1/29/2010 12:54 PM, Steve Jain [MVP] wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:47:32 -0600, CybrGuy<> wrote:
>
>> Is there any reason to believe that Win7 XP mode would be any better at
>> dealing with an XP 32bit driver than Virtualbox or other third party VM
>> on a 64bit system?
>>
>> I have Win7 HP 64bit and I want to use an older Palm Tungsten E with it.
>> There are no 64bit USB drivers for Win7 for this palm from the
>> manufacturer and they don't intend to create any. I tried installing
>> XPP (32) in a VB VM and the palm driver would not install. I was
>> wondering if "XP Mode" in Win7 would be likely to fare better. I would
>> just try it myself, but Win7HP won't run in "XP Mode".
>
> Possibly. All the VM engines are slightly different. You could also
> try VMWare Player 3.
>
> Your HP does not have hardware virtualization?

By HP I meant "Home Premium", the version of Win7. The box is a Dell
and it does have hardware virtualization, at least according to
"Securable", and it is "locked on".

There is no 64bit driver for the device, so I was hoping to use the
32bit VM to connect the device. The driver will not install in the
VirtualBox VM. I was wondering if a different VM, like Win7's XP Mode,
might be able to use the 32bit driver that IS available. My
understanding (or lack) of the bittedness of the OS doesn't help me here.

So, will the Host's bittedness be the controlling factor, or might the
32bit VM override?

On 1/29/2010 1:12 PM, Bo Berglund wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:47:32 -0600, CybrGuy<> wrote:
>
>> Is there any reason to believe that Win7 XP mode would be any better at
>> dealing with an XP 32bit driver than Virtualbox or other third party VM
>> on a 64bit system?
>>
>> I have Win7 HP 64bit and I want to use an older Palm Tungsten E with it.
>> There are no 64bit USB drivers for Win7 for this palm from the
>> manufacturer and they don't intend to create any. I tried installing
>> XPP (32) in a VB VM and the palm driver would not install. I was
>> wondering if "XP Mode" in Win7 would be likely to fare better. I would
>> just try it myself, but Win7HP won't run in "XP Mode".
>
> I have used VMWare Workstation 6 and 7 and VMWare Player 2 and 3.
> All work with USB devices very well (I am assuming that when you talk
> about Palm Tungsten it is some kind of gadget that attaches via USB).
> What I have used (without issues) so far is:
> - Safenet SuperPro software protection dongle
> - Memory sticks
> - USB connected hard drives
> - 3G Mobile Internet modems
> - Printers
> They "just work" when you connect them to the host when the virtual
> machine is running and has focus. They appear in the guest as a new or
> recognized device.
>
> I think you will not have any problems with say Player 3 in this
> respect.

USB devices work fine in the VM if they have a driver or if a generic
Win7 one will suffice. There doesn't seem to be one for this device and
generic ones aren't working. If you think the problem is the VM I am
using rather than a real hardware incompatibility that will likely
transcend the VM, I will try a different one.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:14:31 -0600, CybrGuy <> wrote:

>On 1/29/2010 12:54 PM, Steve Jain [MVP] wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:47:32 -0600, CybrGuy<> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any reason to believe that Win7 XP mode would be any better at
>>> dealing with an XP 32bit driver than Virtualbox or other third party VM
>>> on a 64bit system?
>>>
>>> I have Win7 HP 64bit and I want to use an older Palm Tungsten E with it.
>>> There are no 64bit USB drivers for Win7 for this palm from the
>>> manufacturer and they don't intend to create any. I tried installing
>>> XPP (32) in a VB VM and the palm driver would not install. I was
>>> wondering if "XP Mode" in Win7 would be likely to fare better. I would
>>> just try it myself, but Win7HP won't run in "XP Mode".
>>
>> Possibly. All the VM engines are slightly different. You could also
>> try VMWare Player 3.
>>
>> Your HP does not have hardware virtualization?
>
>By HP I meant "Home Premium", the version of Win7. The box is a Dell
>and it does have hardware virtualization, at least according to
>"Securable", and it is "locked on".
>
>There is no 64bit driver for the device, so I was hoping to use the
>32bit VM to connect the device. The driver will not install in the
>VirtualBox VM. I was wondering if a different VM, like Win7's XP Mode,
>might be able to use the 32bit driver that IS available. My
>understanding (or lack) of the bittedness of the OS doesn't help me here.
>
>So, will the Host's bittedness be the controlling factor, or might the
>32bit VM override?

You can use Windows Virtual PC in Home Premium, you just need to
install your own XP. XP Mode is just a pre-made VM, it still requires
Windows VPC.
You can dowlonad Windows VPC here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...9-2545b08e11dd

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
http://smudj.wordpress.com/

On 1/29/2010 3:24 PM, Steve Jain [MVP] wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:14:31 -0600, CybrGuy<> wrote:
>
>> On 1/29/2010 12:54 PM, Steve Jain [MVP] wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:47:32 -0600, CybrGuy<> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there any reason to believe that Win7 XP mode would be any better at
>>>> dealing with an XP 32bit driver than Virtualbox or other third party VM
>>>> on a 64bit system?
>>>>
>>>> I have Win7 HP 64bit and I want to use an older Palm Tungsten E with it.
>>>> There are no 64bit USB drivers for Win7 for this palm from the
>>>> manufacturer and they don't intend to create any. I tried installing
>>>> XPP (32) in a VB VM and the palm driver would not install. I was
>>>> wondering if "XP Mode" in Win7 would be likely to fare better. I would
>>>> just try it myself, but Win7HP won't run in "XP Mode".
>>>
>>> Possibly. All the VM engines are slightly different. You could also
>>> try VMWare Player 3.
>>>
>>> Your HP does not have hardware virtualization?
>>
>> By HP I meant "Home Premium", the version of Win7. The box is a Dell
>> and it does have hardware virtualization, at least according to
>> "Securable", and it is "locked on".
>>
>> There is no 64bit driver for the device, so I was hoping to use the
>> 32bit VM to connect the device. The driver will not install in the
>> VirtualBox VM. I was wondering if a different VM, like Win7's XP Mode,
>> might be able to use the 32bit driver that IS available. My
>> understanding (or lack) of the bittedness of the OS doesn't help me here.
>>
>> So, will the Host's bittedness be the controlling factor, or might the
>> 32bit VM override?
>
> You can use Windows Virtual PC in Home Premium, you just need to
> install your own XP. XP Mode is just a pre-made VM, it still requires
> Windows VPC.
> You can dowlonad Windows VPC here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...9-2545b08e11dd
>

I appreciate your info, Steve, and I don't mean to be obtuse, but before
I uninstall the VM I have now and install Microsoft's (which, if I
understand correctly, doesn't play as well with non-microsoft OSs as
guests), is there any reason to believe that VPC will be any more likely
to allow me to use this device. It is the use of this Palm that is
driving my interest.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:21:53 -0600, CybrGuy <> wrote:

>On 1/29/2010 1:12 PM, Bo Berglund wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:47:32 -0600, CybrGuy<> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any reason to believe that Win7 XP mode would be any better at
>>> dealing with an XP 32bit driver than Virtualbox or other third party VM
>>> on a 64bit system?
>>>
>>> I have Win7 HP 64bit and I want to use an older Palm Tungsten E with it.
>>> There are no 64bit USB drivers for Win7 for this palm from the
>>> manufacturer and they don't intend to create any. I tried installing
>>> XPP (32) in a VB VM and the palm driver would not install. I was
>>> wondering if "XP Mode" in Win7 would be likely to fare better. I would
>>> just try it myself, but Win7HP won't run in "XP Mode".
>>
>> I have used VMWare Workstation 6 and 7 and VMWare Player 2 and 3.
>> All work with USB devices very well (I am assuming that when you talk
>> about Palm Tungsten it is some kind of gadget that attaches via USB).
>> What I have used (without issues) so far is:
>> - Safenet SuperPro software protection dongle
>> - Memory sticks
>> - USB connected hard drives
>> - 3G Mobile Internet modems
>> - Printers
>> They "just work" when you connect them to the host when the virtual
>> machine is running and has focus. They appear in the guest as a new or
>> recognized device.
>>
>> I think you will not have any problems with say Player 3 in this
>> respect.
>
>USB devices work fine in the VM if they have a driver or if a generic
>Win7 one will suffice. There doesn't seem to be one for this device and
>generic ones aren't working. If you think the problem is the VM I am
>using rather than a real hardware incompatibility that will likely
>transcend the VM, I will try a different one.

What I am trying to say is that USB support on Microsoft
virtualization is strictly limited to WinVPC on Windows 7 with VT
support. I have no idea how good it is, though, because I don't have
the required hardware to test it on.

But what I am actually saying is that USB support on VMWare virtual
machines is very good indeed, I have had zero problems with these.
And to top it off, VMWare can convert a VirtualPC virtual machine to
work with their software, so you can convert the one you have already
created and it will now run on VMWare. Of course with USB support. :-)
In fact they have a free download converter tha can convert a physical
windows PC to a virtual machine and adjust the hardware according to
the differences to the virtual environment! I have used it recently on
two physical systems that were going to be decommissioned but where we
needed to keep the running systems for backup purposes. Worked like a
charm!

And please note that the host system (Win7-x64) is not involved at all
concerning the drivers for your device, the USB device is simply
channeled by VMWare from the host over to the guest where it appears
just like it had been plugged into the virtual machine itself.

--

Bo Berglund (Sweden)

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:45:42 -0600, CybrGuy <> wrote:

>On 1/29/2010 3:24 PM, Steve Jain [MVP] wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:14:31 -0600, CybrGuy<> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/29/2010 12:54 PM, Steve Jain [MVP] wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:47:32 -0600, CybrGuy<> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there any reason to believe that Win7 XP mode would be any better at
>>>>> dealing with an XP 32bit driver than Virtualbox or other third party VM
>>>>> on a 64bit system?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have Win7 HP 64bit and I want to use an older Palm Tungsten E with it.
>>>>> There are no 64bit USB drivers for Win7 for this palm from the
>>>>> manufacturer and they don't intend to create any. I tried installing
>>>>> XPP (32) in a VB VM and the palm driver would not install. I was
>>>>> wondering if "XP Mode" in Win7 would be likely to fare better. I would
>>>>> just try it myself, but Win7HP won't run in "XP Mode".
>>>>
>>>> Possibly. All the VM engines are slightly different. You could also
>>>> try VMWare Player 3.
>>>>
>>>> Your HP does not have hardware virtualization?
>>>
>>> By HP I meant "Home Premium", the version of Win7. The box is a Dell
>>> and it does have hardware virtualization, at least according to
>>> "Securable", and it is "locked on".
>>>
>>> There is no 64bit driver for the device, so I was hoping to use the
>>> 32bit VM to connect the device. The driver will not install in the
>>> VirtualBox VM. I was wondering if a different VM, like Win7's XP Mode,
>>> might be able to use the 32bit driver that IS available. My
>>> understanding (or lack) of the bittedness of the OS doesn't help me here.
>>>
>>> So, will the Host's bittedness be the controlling factor, or might the
>>> 32bit VM override?
>>
>> You can use Windows Virtual PC in Home Premium, you just need to
>> install your own XP. XP Mode is just a pre-made VM, it still requires
>> Windows VPC.
>> You can dowlonad Windows VPC here:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...9-2545b08e11dd
>>
>
>I appreciate your info, Steve, and I don't mean to be obtuse, but before
>I uninstall the VM I have now and install Microsoft's (which, if I
>understand correctly, doesn't play as well with non-microsoft OSs as
>guests), is there any reason to believe that VPC will be any more likely
>to allow me to use this device. It is the use of this Palm that is
>driving my interest.

A VM is just a container, like a Word document, just a file format.

You can have mulitple virtualization programs on the same computer.
For instance, I have Windows VPC, VM Ware Workstation and Player,
Parallels Desktop 4 Windows, and VirtualBox. All of these programs
have various virtual machines associated with them.

There is no issue with installing Windows VPC and creating your own
Windows XP virtual machine. There's no need to remove your VirtualBox

As long as you don't try to run them concurrently, there are no
issues.

As far as your Palm working better on VPC, I have no idea. Each
virtualization program works differently due to different programming.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
http://smudj.wordpress.com/

On 1/29/2010 5:32 PM, Steve Jain [MVP] wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:45:42 -0600, CybrGuy<> wrote:
>
>> On 1/29/2010 3:24 PM, Steve Jain [MVP] wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:14:31 -0600, CybrGuy<> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/29/2010 12:54 PM, Steve Jain [MVP] wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:47:32 -0600, CybrGuy<> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any reason to believe that Win7 XP mode would be any better at
>>>>>> dealing with an XP 32bit driver than Virtualbox or other third party VM
>>>>>> on a 64bit system?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have Win7 HP 64bit and I want to use an older Palm Tungsten E with it.
>>>>>> There are no 64bit USB drivers for Win7 for this palm from the
>>>>>> manufacturer and they don't intend to create any. I tried installing
>>>>>> XPP (32) in a VB VM and the palm driver would not install. I was
>>>>>> wondering if "XP Mode" in Win7 would be likely to fare better. I would
>>>>>> just try it myself, but Win7HP won't run in "XP Mode".
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly. All the VM engines are slightly different. You could also
>>>>> try VMWare Player 3.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your HP does not have hardware virtualization?
>>>>
>>>> By HP I meant "Home Premium", the version of Win7. The box is a Dell
>>>> and it does have hardware virtualization, at least according to
>>>> "Securable", and it is "locked on".
>>>>
>>>> There is no 64bit driver for the device, so I was hoping to use the
>>>> 32bit VM to connect the device. The driver will not install in the
>>>> VirtualBox VM. I was wondering if a different VM, like Win7's XP Mode,
>>>> might be able to use the 32bit driver that IS available. My
>>>> understanding (or lack) of the bittedness of the OS doesn't help me here.
>>>>
>>>> So, will the Host's bittedness be the controlling factor, or might the
>>>> 32bit VM override?
>>>
>>> You can use Windows Virtual PC in Home Premium, you just need to
>>> install your own XP. XP Mode is just a pre-made VM, it still requires
>>> Windows VPC.
>>> You can dowlonad Windows VPC here:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...9-2545b08e11dd
>>>
>>
>> I appreciate your info, Steve, and I don't mean to be obtuse, but before
>> I uninstall the VM I have now and install Microsoft's (which, if I
>> understand correctly, doesn't play as well with non-microsoft OSs as
>> guests), is there any reason to believe that VPC will be any more likely
>> to allow me to use this device. It is the use of this Palm that is
>> driving my interest.
>
> A VM is just a container, like a Word document, just a file format.
>
> You can have mulitple virtualization programs on the same computer.
> For instance, I have Windows VPC, VM Ware Workstation and Player,
> Parallels Desktop 4 Windows, and VirtualBox. All of these programs
> have various virtual machines associated with them.
>
> There is no issue with installing Windows VPC and creating your own
> Windows XP virtual machine. There's no need to remove your VirtualBox
>
> As long as you don't try to run them concurrently, there are no
> issues.
>
> As far as your Palm working better on VPC, I have no idea. Each
> virtualization program works differently due to different programming.
>
Thanks much for your help. I'm gonna give VMWare Player a shot and see
if it behaves any differently.