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Ed van Balen
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      06-03-2005
Hi,

We are a small company, and currently have a Windows 2000 AD domain with one
Windows 2000 Server as DC and 30 Windows 2000 client PC's. We are currently
running in "Per server" mode.
We don't have Exchange yet.

Now we want to add a second server with Windows Server 2003, both running as
an Exchange Server 2003 and as a backup DC. We want to keep the existing
server as Windows 2000 Server.
It is my understanding that it is best to change to "Per Seat" (Win 2000) or
"Per User" (Win 2003) mode now.
And I understand that we need extra CALs for the Exchange server.

But what about the Windows Server CALs? Can we still use the Win 2000 CALs
in this configuration?
Is one of the servers acting as "Licensing server", and if so, can we choose
which one?
Will we be running in "Per Seat" (Win 2000) or "Per User" (Win 2003) mode?
I have searched the MS website, but cannot find anything about a mixed
Windows Server 2000/2003 domain.

Does anybody know more about this?
Thanks,

Eduard


 
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Henrik
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      06-03-2005
This is not hard facts, since as you so correctly stated yourself, MS
licensing is a bit confusing.

1. Windows Server 2003 Server:
In order to add a Windows 2003 Server as another DC to your Windows 2000
domain, you must run ADPrep tool prior to elevating the Windows Server 2003
machine to the role of a DC. See more at:
http://www.petri.co.il/windows_2003_adprep.htm.
I'm not 100% sure of this, but apart from extending the domain schema with
windows server 2003 objects, I believe that this also means that the domain
is now a Windows Server 2003 domain, with in your case, one Windows Server
2003 machine, and another Windows 2000 Server machine.

2. Licensing, general:
As far as licensing goes, MS has a simple rule:
If the user or device authenticates against a Windows 2003 server (or a
domain, if in per seat mode, I believe), you need Windows Server 2003
licenses, as follows from point 1 above. In fact you CAN select the
licensing server, but selecting the Windows 2000 server as a licensing
server does not help, I'm afraid. So you will in all probalility need new
Windows 2003 licenses.The only good news in this is that these new 2003
licenses are downlevel compatible in that these licenses also handle access
to older operating systems like Windows 2000.

3. Licensing modes:
Exchange Server does not support Per Server licensing mode. You MUST use per
seat for Exchange

4. Mixed mode:
Exchange will function in a Mixed 2000/2003 domain.
It will however function "better" in a native domain, since the native 2003
schema supports more roles and features than the 2000 schema does.
ADPrep imports the Windows 2003 schema, but it is not used until you raise
the domain to the functional level of Windows Server 2003.

A search tip to find out about mixed and native mode is to search google or
some other site for
"Domain Functional Level" and/or "Forrest Functional Level"

Another tip is that while MS has a policy of charging for support or help
with their server products, when one calls Microsoft support, they have a
separate phone choice of "Do you have questions about Microsoft licensing?"
or some such, which indicates that they WILL answers questions, and probably
for free. And they SHOULD be the ones to know, one could hope.

Hope that helps.


// Henrik


"Ed van Balen" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi,
>
> We are a small company, and currently have a Windows 2000 AD domain with

one
> Windows 2000 Server as DC and 30 Windows 2000 client PC's. We are

currently
> running in "Per server" mode.
> We don't have Exchange yet.
>
> Now we want to add a second server with Windows Server 2003, both running

as
> an Exchange Server 2003 and as a backup DC. We want to keep the existing
> server as Windows 2000 Server.
> It is my understanding that it is best to change to "Per Seat" (Win 2000)

or
> "Per User" (Win 2003) mode now.
> And I understand that we need extra CALs for the Exchange server.
>
> But what about the Windows Server CALs? Can we still use the Win 2000 CALs
> in this configuration?
> Is one of the servers acting as "Licensing server", and if so, can we

choose
> which one?
> Will we be running in "Per Seat" (Win 2000) or "Per User" (Win 2003) mode?
> I have searched the MS website, but cannot find anything about a mixed
> Windows Server 2000/2003 domain.
>
> Does anybody know more about this?
> Thanks,
>
> Eduard
>
>



 
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Ed van Balen
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      06-05-2005
Thanks Henrik, for your very informative answer.
An option for us might be to downgrade the new server to Windows 2000
Server:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...downgrade.mspx
In that case we will still have a native Win 2000 domain, and can keep
using the Win 2000 CALs. We are allowed to change from "Per server" to
"Per seat" mode once.
The disadvantage of this might be that Exchange 2003 is reported to be
performing less well on a Windows 2000 Server.

But we will contact Microsoft, to be sure about the options. If I find out
anything new, I will let it know in this group.

Thanks again,

Ed
Henrik wrote:
> This is not hard facts, since as you so correctly stated yourself, MS
> licensing is a bit confusing.
>
> 1. Windows Server 2003 Server:
> In order to add a Windows 2003 Server as another DC to your Windows
> 2000 domain, you must run ADPrep tool prior to elevating the Windows
> Server 2003 machine to the role of a DC. See more at:
> http://www.petri.co.il/windows_2003_adprep.htm.
> I'm not 100% sure of this, but apart from extending the domain schema
> with windows server 2003 objects, I believe that this also means that
> the domain is now a Windows Server 2003 domain, with in your case,
> one Windows Server 2003 machine, and another Windows 2000 Server
> machine.
>
> 2. Licensing, general:
> As far as licensing goes, MS has a simple rule:
> If the user or device authenticates against a Windows 2003 server (or
> a domain, if in per seat mode, I believe), you need Windows Server
> 2003 licenses, as follows from point 1 above. In fact you CAN select
> the licensing server, but selecting the Windows 2000 server as a
> licensing server does not help, I'm afraid. So you will in all
> probalility need new Windows 2003 licenses.The only good news in this
> is that these new 2003 licenses are downlevel compatible in that
> these licenses also handle access to older operating systems like
> Windows 2000.
>
> 3. Licensing modes:
> Exchange Server does not support Per Server licensing mode. You MUST
> use per seat for Exchange
>
> 4. Mixed mode:
> Exchange will function in a Mixed 2000/2003 domain.
> It will however function "better" in a native domain, since the
> native 2003 schema supports more roles and features than the 2000
> schema does.
> ADPrep imports the Windows 2003 schema, but it is not used until you
> raise the domain to the functional level of Windows Server 2003.
>
> A search tip to find out about mixed and native mode is to search
> google or some other site for
> "Domain Functional Level" and/or "Forrest Functional Level"
>
> Another tip is that while MS has a policy of charging for support or
> help with their server products, when one calls Microsoft support,
> they have a separate phone choice of "Do you have questions about
> Microsoft licensing?" or some such, which indicates that they WILL
> answers questions, and probably for free. And they SHOULD be the ones
> to know, one could hope.
>
> "Ed van Balen" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Hi,
>>
>> We are a small company, and currently have a Windows 2000 AD domain
>> with one Windows 2000 Server as DC and 30 Windows 2000 client PC's.
>> We are currently running in "Per server" mode.
>> We don't have Exchange yet.
>>
>> Now we want to add a second server with Windows Server 2003, both
>> running as an Exchange Server 2003 and as a backup DC. We want to
>> keep the existing server as Windows 2000 Server.
>> It is my understanding that it is best to change to "Per Seat" (Win
>> 2000) or "Per User" (Win 2003) mode now.
>> And I understand that we need extra CALs for the Exchange server.
>>
>> But what about the Windows Server CALs? Can we still use the Win
>> 2000 CALs in this configuration?
>> Is one of the servers acting as "Licensing server", and if so, can
>> we choose which one?
>> Will we be running in "Per Seat" (Win 2000) or "Per User" (Win 2003)
>> mode? I have searched the MS website, but cannot find anything about
>> a mixed Windows Server 2000/2003 domain.



 
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