Windows 7 email program?

"Paul H" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I did as you suggested. After my files were converted, I started using
> Live Mail. I DO NOT LIKE THE LEFT (FOLDERS) COLUMN! I need another email
> client. This "Live" stuff tries to make me use functions I do not want.
> I do not want to use instant messaging, for example, and I have my own
> ways of organizing pictures. So I'll probably uninstall all of the "live"
> stuff.
>
> "t-4-2" <> wrote in message
> news:%23j%...
>> Suggestion only......
>> Before you install Win7,
>> assuming you are now using Windows Mail, install Windows Live Mail. All
>> you messages, contacts etc will be transferred from WM to WLM
>> automatically.
>> Now, go get your Win 7 which supports Windows Live Mail.
>> P.S. Windows Live Mail is to REPLACE Windows Mail which was shelved to
>> the back corner by MS.
>> Link to install Windows Live Mail : http://download.live.com
>> t-4-2
>>
>> "Paul H" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Thanks, Steve. I tried the W7 beta and liked it. And I like the
>>> Outlook Express / Windows Mail layout. So what to use in W7?
>>> Thunderbird looks good, except there's no way to convert to it without
>>> hours of error-prone drudgery. I find it hard to believe that I'm the
>>> only person with this issue. Is there another credible alternative,
>>> with a conversion path?
>>>
>>> "Steve Cochran" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> OEX actually works in Windows 7, but the Winmail application has been
>>>> rendered unusable per se. There are some hacks out there, but they are
>>>> somewhat lacking their success.
>>>>
>>>> I'd suggest keeping the old computer and using it rather than jumping
>>>> into Win7 and losing basic OS functionality.
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>
>>>> "Paul H" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:4914A9B5-5AC2-4949-B79C-...
>>>>> What email should I use when I convert to Windows 7 in a few days? I
>>>>> must be able to easily convert thousands of emails in hundreds of
>>>>> folders, many nested within other folders, maybe 3 or 4 deep. I have
>>>>> 8 or more email addresses that Windows Mail checks automatically. Is
>>>>> OEX any good? TIA, Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

You can hide the Folder Pane. Just move the mouse over the divider until
you get a double arrow and hold down the left mouse button and slide it left
and it will only show some icons.

"Doug" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I, too, dislike WLM which I am using installed for mail and newsgroups
> only. However I would put up with it were it not for the fact that it
> intermittently freezes my PC so that Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't work leaving me
> with no option than to reach for the reset button. I am hoping that when I
> clean install Win 7 later this month WLM will work impeccably. Googling
> for
> ["Windows Live Mail" crash] produces 262,000 hits which suggests it is
> seriously unreliable.
> Doug
>
> "Steve Cochran" <> wrote in message
> news:#...
>> I don't like WLM either. I'm not sure what I'm going do except make sure
>> I don't update all my machines to Win7.
>>
>> steve
>>
>> "Paul H" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Thanks, Steve. I tried the W7 beta and liked it. And I like the
>>> Outlook Express / Windows Mail layout. So what to use in W7?
>>> Thunderbird looks good, except there's no way to convert to it without
>>> hours of error-prone drudgery. I find it hard to believe that I'm the
>>> only person with this issue. Is there another credible alternative,
>>> with a conversion path?
>>>
>>> "Steve Cochran" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> OEX actually works in Windows 7, but the Winmail application has been
>>>> rendered unusable per se. There are some hacks out there, but they are
>>>> somewhat lacking their success.
>>>>
>>>> I'd suggest keeping the old computer and using it rather than jumping
>>>> into Win7 and losing basic OS functionality.
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>
>>>> "Paul H" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:4914A9B5-5AC2-4949-B79C-...
>>>>> What email should I use when I convert to Windows 7 in a few days? I
>>>>> must be able to easily convert thousands of emails in hundreds of
>>>>> folders, many nested within other folders, maybe 3 or 4 deep. I have
>>>>> 8 or more email addresses that Windows Mail checks automatically. Is
>>>>> OEX any good? TIA, Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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I use Windows Live Mail all the time and I don't have any problems with it.

I use it for email and reading news groups.

You can disable Windows Live Messenger automatically coming up by going to
Tools -> Options -> General tab and unchecking "Automatically log on to
Windows Live Messenger."

The registry can be intimidating, mainly because Microsoft uses confusing
terminology about it that is misleading. It is easy to understand of course,
but Microsoft does not make it easy.

I do understand that sometimes after spending many hours trying to learn
many other things, our minds just don't want to do it.


"Paul H" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I'm intimidated by the registry

Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
after I quit using it for newsgroups. I was getting hangs when
switching frequently between the mail and newsgroup functions.
I still use Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues
to work well under Windows 7.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"Doug" <> wrote in message news:...
> I, too, dislike WLM which I am using installed for mail and newsgroups only.
> However I would put up with it were it not for the fact that it
> intermittently freezes my PC so that Ctrl+Alt+Del doesn't work leaving me
> with no option than to reach for the reset button. I am hoping that when I
> clean install Win 7 later this month WLM will work impeccably. Googling for
> ["Windows Live Mail" crash] produces 262,000 hits which suggests it is
> seriously unreliable.
> Doug
>
> "Steve Cochran" <> wrote in message
> news:#...
>> I don't like WLM either. I'm not sure what I'm going do except make sure
>> I don't update all my machines to Win7.
>>
>> steve
>>
>> "Paul H" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Thanks, Steve. I tried the W7 beta and liked it. And I like the Outlook
>>> Express / Windows Mail layout. So what to use in W7? Thunderbird looks
>>> good, except there's no way to convert to it without hours of error-prone
>>> drudgery. I find it hard to believe that I'm the only person with this
>>> issue. Is there another credible alternative, with a conversion path?
>>>
>>> "Steve Cochran" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> OEX actually works in Windows 7, but the Winmail application has been
>>>> rendered unusable per se. There are some hacks out there, but they are
>>>> somewhat lacking their success.
>>>>
>>>> I'd suggest keeping the old computer and using it rather than jumping
>>>> into Win7 and losing basic OS functionality.
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>
>>>> "Paul H" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:4914A9B5-5AC2-4949-B79C-...
>>>>> What email should I use when I convert to Windows 7 in a few days? I
>>>>> must be able to easily convert thousands of emails in hundreds of
>>>>> folders, many nested within other folders, maybe 3 or 4 deep. I have 8
>>>>> or more email addresses that Windows Mail checks automatically. Is OEX
>>>>> any good? TIA, Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
>> signature database 4496 (20091010) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
>>
>>
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>
> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
>

BASIC is not optimized for scientific or financial applications.
In college I used Fortran for my engineering classes.

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"t-4-2" <> wrote in message news:...
>I have never been able to understand COBOL, but then I was taking lessons
> once a week in Community College.
> My favourite was Basic Language. I still have the book written by David A.
> Lien, " Learning Basic For Tandy Computers ".
>
> t-4-2
>
>
> "Paul H" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Hi Tea-for-two,
>> I have 16 accounts that get checked every 5 minutes. I have my own 2
>> ATT.NET, Gmail, a few for www.verifycharges.com, a few for
>> www.PCHplano.com, and a few for some other projects I'm working on. I've
>> turned others on and off over that past few years as I've played with
>> projects. So my left panel is a mess in "Live". I like most of my mail
>> in "Inbox", with a few directed to specific other sub-folders. I like to
>> have my sub-folders beneath my Inbox. Some I keep expanded and most I
>> keep collapsed, unless I'm looking for something in one of them - they are
>> mostly just for storage of historical mail. I think I mentioned that I
>> keep all of my email - this is my entire filing system - all 37,000 mails,
>> I think! I should probably move it all to a data base, and simplify me
>> email life. But, how to get there from here?
>> I think I'll uninstall the entire "Live" collection and find an email
>> client that I can live with, because I DO want to go to W7! Maybe I'll
>> use Thunderbird, and initially just convert my main folders, then convert
>> the others, and maybe weed out or consolidate them as I need them. Since
>> I have 5 computers networked here in the house, and I only want to convert
>> 2 to W7, I have plenty of places to keep the old stuff until I need it.
>> I'm 70 and earn some $ writing COBOL (yup, that old stuff) (that I should
>> be doing right now) so between PC's, TV (I'm addicted, and use Tivo
>> extensively - who has time for commercials, except for football), reading
>> (fiction only - no self improvement) and grandkids (eight of them), I
>> hardly have time to sleep, and I've never been more content than right
>> now.
>> But Microsoft is messing with me by not continuing the Outlook Express way
>> of doing things!
>> Thanks for letting me vent! And tolerate the typos I'll see immediately
>> after clicking "Send"!
>> Paul
>>
>> "t-4-2" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Sorry to hear that you dislike WLM.
>>> For your information : When you were installing WLM, your were OFFERED
>>> several programs, i.e. Live Messenger, Writer, etc. You did not have to
>>> take any of them. You could have declined all of them except the mail
>>> client, WLM.
>>> I don't know what you don't like about the Folder Pane. To me, it's
>>> better than Windows Mail because Windows Mail dump all e-mails to one
>>> In-box even though you may have different accounts. I have 3 different
>>> accounts, and e-mails coming from different accounts will be downloaded
>>> to their respective accounts.
>>> I definitely don't know what do you mean by " my own ways of organizing
>>> pictures ". Both WLM and WM do not organize pictures. It's up to you.
>>> Windows Mail ( WM ) has Windows Photo Gallery. Windows Live Mail ( WLM )
>>> has Windows Live Photo Gallery. Slight different names, same animal.
>>> Anyway, good luck searching for another e-mail client. I can't make
>>> recommendation because I don't know any.
>>>
>>> t-4-2
>>>
>>> "Paul H" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> I did as you suggested. After my files were converted, I started using
>>>> Live Mail. I DO NOT LIKE THE LEFT (FOLDERS) COLUMN! I need another
>>>> email client. This "Live" stuff tries to make me use functions I do not
>>>> want. I do not want to use instant messaging, for example, and I have my
>>>> own ways of organizing pictures. So I'll probably uninstall all of the
>>>> "live" stuff.
>>>>
>>>> "t-4-2" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23j%...
>>>>> Suggestion only......
>>>>> Before you install Win7,
>>>>> assuming you are now using Windows Mail, install Windows Live Mail. All
>>>>> you messages, contacts etc will be transferred from WM to WLM
>>>>> automatically.
>>>>> Now, go get your Win 7 which supports Windows Live Mail.
>>>>> P.S. Windows Live Mail is to REPLACE Windows Mail which was shelved to
>>>>> the back corner by MS.
>>>>> Link to install Windows Live Mail : http://download.live.com
>>>>> t-4-2
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul H" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:...
>>>>>> Thanks, Steve. I tried the W7 beta and liked it. And I like the
>>>>>> Outlook Express / Windows Mail layout. So what to use in W7?
>>>>>> Thunderbird looks good, except there's no way to convert to it without
>>>>>> hours of error-prone drudgery. I find it hard to believe that I'm the
>>>>>> only person with this issue. Is there another credible alternative,
>>>>>> with a conversion path?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steve Cochran" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>> OEX actually works in Windows 7, but the Winmail application has been
>>>>>>> rendered unusable per se. There are some hacks out there, but they
>>>>>>> are somewhat lacking their success.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd suggest keeping the old computer and using it rather than jumping
>>>>>>> into Win7 and losing basic OS functionality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Paul H" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4914A9B5-5AC2-4949-B79C-...
>>>>>>>> What email should I use when I convert to Windows 7 in a few days?
>>>>>>>> I must be able to easily convert thousands of emails in hundreds of
>>>>>>>> folders, many nested within other folders, maybe 3 or 4 deep. I
>>>>>>>> have 8 or more email addresses that Windows Mail checks
>>>>>>>> automatically. Is OEX any good? TIA, Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>

I know that. I finished College in 1967, no computer classes back then.
I took computer programming lessons in Community College in early 80s out of
curiosity. I was one of those idiots who bought a Commodore and didn't know
what to do with it. Basic language was the logical choice for a novice.

t-4-2

"Gary VanderMolen" <> wrote in message
news:...
> BASIC is not optimized for scientific or financial applications.
> In college I used Fortran for my engineering classes.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen
>
>
> "t-4-2" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>I have never been able to understand COBOL, but then I was taking lessons
>> once a week in Community College.
>> My favourite was Basic Language. I still have the book written by David
>> A.
>> Lien, " Learning Basic For Tandy Computers ".
>>
>> t-4-2
>>
>>
>> "Paul H" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Hi Tea-for-two,
>>> I have 16 accounts that get checked every 5 minutes. I have my own 2
>>> ATT.NET, Gmail, a few for www.verifycharges.com, a few for
>>> www.PCHplano.com, and a few for some other projects I'm working on.
>>> I've
>>> turned others on and off over that past few years as I've played with
>>> projects. So my left panel is a mess in "Live". I like most of my mail
>>> in "Inbox", with a few directed to specific other sub-folders. I like
>>> to
>>> have my sub-folders beneath my Inbox. Some I keep expanded and most I
>>> keep collapsed, unless I'm looking for something in one of them - they
>>> are
>>> mostly just for storage of historical mail. I think I mentioned that I
>>> keep all of my email - this is my entire filing system - all 37,000
>>> mails,
>>> I think! I should probably move it all to a data base, and simplify me
>>> email life. But, how to get there from here?
>>> I think I'll uninstall the entire "Live" collection and find an email
>>> client that I can live with, because I DO want to go to W7! Maybe I'll
>>> use Thunderbird, and initially just convert my main folders, then
>>> convert
>>> the others, and maybe weed out or consolidate them as I need them.
>>> Since
>>> I have 5 computers networked here in the house, and I only want to
>>> convert
>>> 2 to W7, I have plenty of places to keep the old stuff until I need it.
>>> I'm 70 and earn some $ writing COBOL (yup, that old stuff) (that I
>>> should
>>> be doing right now) so between PC's, TV (I'm addicted, and use Tivo
>>> extensively - who has time for commercials, except for football),
>>> reading
>>> (fiction only - no self improvement) and grandkids (eight of them), I
>>> hardly have time to sleep, and I've never been more content than right
>>> now.
>>> But Microsoft is messing with me by not continuing the Outlook Express
>>> way
>>> of doing things!
>>> Thanks for letting me vent! And tolerate the typos I'll see immediately
>>> after clicking "Send"!
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> "t-4-2" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Sorry to hear that you dislike WLM.
>>>> For your information : When you were installing WLM, your were OFFERED
>>>> several programs, i.e. Live Messenger, Writer, etc. You did not have to
>>>> take any of them. You could have declined all of them except the mail
>>>> client, WLM.
>>>> I don't know what you don't like about the Folder Pane. To me, it's
>>>> better than Windows Mail because Windows Mail dump all e-mails to one
>>>> In-box even though you may have different accounts. I have 3 different
>>>> accounts, and e-mails coming from different accounts will be downloaded
>>>> to their respective accounts.
>>>> I definitely don't know what do you mean by " my own ways of organizing
>>>> pictures ". Both WLM and WM do not organize pictures. It's up to you.
>>>> Windows Mail ( WM ) has Windows Photo Gallery. Windows Live Mail (
>>>> WLM )
>>>> has Windows Live Photo Gallery. Slight different names, same animal.
>>>> Anyway, good luck searching for another e-mail client. I can't make
>>>> recommendation because I don't know any.
>>>>
>>>> t-4-2
>>>>
>>>> "Paul H" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> I did as you suggested. After my files were converted, I started
>>>>> using
>>>>> Live Mail. I DO NOT LIKE THE LEFT (FOLDERS) COLUMN! I need another
>>>>> email client. This "Live" stuff tries to make me use functions I do
>>>>> not
>>>>> want. I do not want to use instant messaging, for example, and I have
>>>>> my
>>>>> own ways of organizing pictures. So I'll probably uninstall all of
>>>>> the
>>>>> "live" stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> "t-4-2" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23j%...
>>>>>> Suggestion only......
>>>>>> Before you install Win7,
>>>>>> assuming you are now using Windows Mail, install Windows Live Mail.
>>>>>> All
>>>>>> you messages, contacts etc will be transferred from WM to WLM
>>>>>> automatically.
>>>>>> Now, go get your Win 7 which supports Windows Live Mail.
>>>>>> P.S. Windows Live Mail is to REPLACE Windows Mail which was shelved
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the back corner by MS.
>>>>>> Link to install Windows Live Mail : http://download.live.com
>>>>>> t-4-2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Paul H" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>> Thanks, Steve. I tried the W7 beta and liked it. And I like the
>>>>>>> Outlook Express / Windows Mail layout. So what to use in W7?
>>>>>>> Thunderbird looks good, except there's no way to convert to it
>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>> hours of error-prone drudgery. I find it hard to believe that I'm
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> only person with this issue. Is there another credible alternative,
>>>>>>> with a conversion path?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Steve Cochran" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>>> OEX actually works in Windows 7, but the Winmail application has
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> rendered unusable per se. There are some hacks out there, but they
>>>>>>>> are somewhat lacking their success.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd suggest keeping the old computer and using it rather than
>>>>>>>> jumping
>>>>>>>> into Win7 and losing basic OS functionality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> steve
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Paul H" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4914A9B5-5AC2-4949-B79C-...
>>>>>>>>> What email should I use when I convert to Windows 7 in a few days?
>>>>>>>>> I must be able to easily convert thousands of emails in hundreds
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> folders, many nested within other folders, maybe 3 or 4 deep. I
>>>>>>>>> have 8 or more email addresses that Windows Mail checks
>>>>>>>>> automatically. Is OEX any good? TIA, Paul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>

Steve Cochran;1157598 Wrote:
> I don't like WLM either. I'm not sure what I'm going do except make sure
> I
> don't update all my machines to Win7.
>
> steve
>
> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message
> news:Oq0drWcSKHA.4048@newsgroup> > >
> > > Thanks, Steve. I tried the W7 beta and liked it. And I like the
> > Outlook
> > > Express / Windows Mail layout. So what to use in W7? Thunderbird
> > looks
> > > good, except there's no way to convert to it without hours of
> > error-prone
> > > drudgery. I find it hard to believe that I'm the only person with
> > this
> > > issue. Is there another credible alternative, with a conversion path?
> > >
> > > "Steve Cochran" <scochran@newsgroup> wrote in message
> > > news:eybNieaSKHA.1232@newsgroup> > > > >
> > > >> OEX actually works in Windows 7, but the Winmail application has
> > > been
> > > >> rendered unusable per se. There are some hacks out there, but they
> > > are
> > > >> somewhat lacking their success.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd suggest keeping the old computer and using it rather than
> > > jumping
> > > >> into Win7 and losing basic OS functionality.
> > > >>
> > > >> steve
> > > >>
> > > >> "Paul H" <NoSpamphobergNoSpam@newsgroup> wrote in message
> > > >> news:4914A9B5-5AC2-4949-B79C-C2FA7DAF4B6D@newsgroup
> > > >>
> > > >>> > > >
> > > > >

I'm in the same boat as regards WM. I've tried my hardest to like WLM
but no, it's a total pain.

Thunderbird works fine and, providing you download the ImportExport
addon from the Mozilla website, it will import all your emails from WM
without any trouble.

I'm still going to stay with WM for as long as I can find hacks for
running it on W7.


--
beauparc

"Gary VanderMolen" <> wrote:

"Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use
Windows Mail for newsgroups, and that function continues to
work well under Windows 7."

That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not
automatically delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It
that correct? If so that sounds like good news to me, since
I could try WLM and if I don't like it I could then easily
revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or suggested
sources of info about how a novice might manage this
simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?

Many thanks.

Pardon me for butting in.....
CWLee,
There is nothing to " manage ".
WLM and WM will co-exist. You do have to assign one as the Default program,
and each time you open the non-default one, you'll be asked if you want to
change it to default. Just click NO.
Yes, if you do not like WLM, just switch default back to WM, and leave WLM
alone.
You could un-install WLM if you did not like it, although I wouldn't do
that, personally.
If you do decide to download/install WLM, pay attention to the prompts.
There are " related " programs offered, i.e. Windows Live Messenger, Write
etc., you can decide which to accept and which to decline. You don't have to
take any of those.

t-4-2

"CWLee" <> wrote in message
news:#...
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <> wrote:
>
> "Windows Live Mail has behaved impeccably for me, but only
> after I quit using it for newsgroups. ... I still use Windows Mail for
> newsgroups, and that function continues to work well under Windows 7."
>
> That suggests that if and when I download WLM it will not automatically
> delete, or even render inoperative, WM. It that correct? If so that
> sounds like good news to me, since I could try WLM and if I don't like it
> I could then easily revert to WM. Any comments, recommendations, or
> suggested sources of info about how a novice might manage this
> simultaneous use of both WM and WLM?
>
> Many thanks.

"t-4-2" <> wrote:

> Pardon me for butting in.....

As far as I'm concerned, no apology needed. I welcome
wisdom, insight, and winning lottery numbers regardless of
the source!

> WLM and WM will co-exist. You do have to assign one as the
> Default program, ...

That all sounds very good to me!

Thanks.