Windows 7 update nightmare

I finally updated from Vista Home Premium to Windows 7, as an upgarde rather
than a new installation, on my new Acer desktop OK, but it was a hassle. I
ran the Upgrade Advisor and it said to uninstall ATI Install Manager and
re-install it after the upgrade, and to uninstall Canon Easy Photo-Printer
which was not compatible. So I did. Ran the Upgrade Advisor again and those
problems were gone. Ran the upgrade Windows7 media disk and after waiting for
the compatibility section to do its thing up it came saying that those two
applications were still problems. Trying to bypass them onto the next stage
only resulted in a crash, so, after endless experimenting, I found the only
way to progress was not only to uninstall those two applications but to
remove every trace of their folders and files and shortcuts on the machine,
then to go through the registry with Regedit and remove every trace of them
in every key. Only then would the upgrade work. Surely an upgrade should be
easier?

Roger

"Roger" <> wrote in message
news:126DF057-3438-43C1-B45A-...
>...so, after endless experimenting, I found the only
> way to progress was not only to uninstall those two applications but to
> remove every trace of their folders and files and shortcuts on the
> machine,
> then to go through the registry with Regedit and remove every trace of
> them
> in every key. Only then would the upgrade work. Surely an upgrade should
> be
> easier?
>
> Roger

Wow. At first, I thought your use of the word "nightmare" might have been
hyperbole. Turns out, it was not. Thanks for sharing this. Too bad
there's not a Windows 7 newsgroup where this could have been posted (I'm
wondering if Microsoft wants to force us to use the social sites.)

I hope that you also post this in these forums:

http://windows7forums.com

http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...egory/windows7

http://www.sevenforums.com/

David Dickinson
eveningstar at mvps dot org

How does your post pertain to Windows Update (vs. upgrading Windows), Roger?

Win7-specific "Install, activate & upgrade" support forum:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...nstall/threads

(No, there are no Win7-specific newsgroups, only web-based forums.)


Roger wrote:
> I finally updated from Vista Home Premium to Windows 7, as an upgarde
> rather
> than a new installation, on my new Acer desktop OK, but it was a hassle. I
> ran the Upgrade Advisor and it said to uninstall ATI Install Manager and
> re-install it after the upgrade, and to uninstall Canon Easy Photo-Printer
> which was not compatible. So I did. Ran the Upgrade Advisor again and
> those
> problems were gone. Ran the upgrade Windows7 media disk and after waiting
> for the compatibility section to do its thing up it came saying that those
> two applications were still problems. Trying to bypass them onto the next
> stage only resulted in a crash, so, after endless experimenting, I found
> the only way to progress was not only to uninstall those two applications
> but to remove every trace of their folders and files and shortcuts on the
> machine, then to go through the registry with Regedit and remove every
> trace of them in every key. Only then would the upgrade work. Surely an
> upgrade should be easier?

There is a Win 7 specific newsgroup. alt.windows7.general.

Currently it is found on nntp.aioe.org. you don't have to register or sign
in or pay.

Regards

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> How does your post pertain to Windows Update (vs. upgrading Windows),
> Roger?
>
> Win7-specific "Install, activate & upgrade" support forum:
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...nstall/threads
>
> (No, there are no Win7-specific newsgroups, only web-based forums.)
>
>
> Roger wrote:
>> I finally updated from Vista Home Premium to Windows 7, as an upgarde
>> rather
>> than a new installation, on my new Acer desktop OK, but it was a hassle.
>> I
>> ran the Upgrade Advisor and it said to uninstall ATI Install Manager and
>> re-install it after the upgrade, and to uninstall Canon Easy
>> Photo-Printer
>> which was not compatible. So I did. Ran the Upgrade Advisor again and
>> those
>> problems were gone. Ran the upgrade Windows7 media disk and after waiting
>> for the compatibility section to do its thing up it came saying that
>> those
>> two applications were still problems. Trying to bypass them onto the next
>> stage only resulted in a crash, so, after endless experimenting, I found
>> the only way to progress was not only to uninstall those two applications
>> but to remove every trace of their folders and files and shortcuts on the
>> machine, then to go through the registry with Regedit and remove every
>> trace of them in every key. Only then would the upgrade work. Surely an
>> upgrade should be easier?
>

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> How does your post pertain to Windows Update (vs. upgrading Windows),
> Roger?
>
> Win7-specific "Install, activate & upgrade" support forum:
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...nstall/threads
>
> (No, there are no Win7-specific newsgroups, only web-based forums.)

It might not be politically advantageous, but a lot of people consider
Windows 7 to be an update to Vista. Given that there aren't many
significant differences other than the loss of a lot of functionality,
configurability, and visual information, some unnecessarily cumbersome
reconfigurations of WinNT-era controls (file and folder security dialogs
comes to mind), and some performance improvements, I don't consider the
matter worth debating. They're not different creatures.

When an operating system allows me to ditch my keyboard and mouse and
control it vocally and visually, then we'll be talking "upgrade".

And some of us simply prefer to use newsgroups. The fact that Microsof has
decided not to mirror the messages on their web sites and newsgroups forums
for Windows 7, which was their practice for over a decade, doesn't leave
newsgroupies with many options. Think of the OP's post as a kind of
protest, and civil disobedience.

We shall overcome!

David Dickinson
eveningstar at mvps dot org

Windows 7 Annoyance #28:
As with Vista, the visual user interface design controls are split up into
many different windows and dialog boxes rather than being conveniently
accessible in a single dialog box as they were in Windows XP, 2000, ME, 98,
95, NT, 3.x, and 2.x (I don't know about Windows 1.0 because I never used
it). Drastically changing a visual controls configuration that has been in
use for two decades has been done too casually, leaving many inexpert users
stumbling about looking for things that they had previously (and finally)
learned to use.

Upgrading to Win7 does not entail any Windows Update functionality
whatsoever. As such, discussions of upgrading to Windows is off-topic in
this newsgroup as well as in the Windows Update-specific forum, David.

[It's bad enough that the WU-specific forum, which handles all traffic from
Win7, Vista, and WinXP forums, has become swamped with posts about upgrading
to Win7.]


David Dickinson wrote:
>> How does your post pertain to Windows Update (vs. upgrading Windows),
>> Roger?
>>
>> Win7-specific "Install, activate & upgrade" support forum:
>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...nstall/threads
>>
>> (No, there are no Win7-specific newsgroups, only web-based forums.)
>
> It might not be politically advantageous, but a lot of people consider
> Windows 7 to be an update to Vista.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Upgrading to Win7 does not entail any Windows Update functionality
> whatsoever. As such, discussions of upgrading to Windows is off-topic in
> this newsgroup as well as in the Windows Update-specific forum, David.

You're absolutely correct! I should have made it clear that I don't
disagree. But I understand why the OP posted that issue here, and I won't
hold it against him. As I said, I simply consider it to be an act of
justified civil disobedience because there are no Windows 7-related
newsgroups. Sure, I'm certain that the OP didn't intend to violate any
social protocols, but even if it was accidental, civil disobedience it was.

> [It's bad enough that the WU-specific forum, which handles all traffic
> from Win7, Vista, and WinXP forums, has become swamped with posts about
> upgrading to Win7.]

Thus the need to create a set of Windows 7-related newsgroups. They should
exactly mirror the official "social" web-based forums, as they have for many
years. But Microsoft wants us to move to the "social" web sites (for some
reason that they haven't made clear).

And I protest! Give me USENET or give me death! :-J

David

FWIW:

The IE-specific Win7, Vista, & WinXP forums all point to
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...lorer/threads/

There isn't even a Win7-specific newsgroup on the private MVP server. (Talk
about howls of protests! <w>)


David Dickinson wrote:
>> Upgrading to Win7 does not entail any Windows Update functionality
>> whatsoever. As such, discussions of upgrading to Windows is off-topic in
>> this newsgroup as well as in the Windows Update-specific forum, David.
>
> You're absolutely correct! I should have made it clear that I don't
> disagree. But I understand why the OP posted that issue here, and I won't
> hold it against him. As I said, I simply consider it to be an act of
> justified civil disobedience because there are no Windows 7-related
> newsgroups. Sure, I'm certain that the OP didn't intend to violate any
> social protocols, but even if it was accidental, civil disobedience it
> was.
>
>> [It's bad enough that the WU-specific forum, which handles all traffic
>> from Win7, Vista, and WinXP forums, has become swamped with posts about
>> upgrading to Win7.]
>
> Thus the need to create a set of Windows 7-related newsgroups. They
> should
> exactly mirror the official "social" web-based forums, as they have for
> many
> years. But Microsoft wants us to move to the "social" web sites (for some
> reason that they haven't made clear).
>
> And I protest! Give me USENET or give me death! :-J
>
> David

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> FWIW:
>
> The IE-specific Win7, Vista, & WinXP forums all point to
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...lorer/threads/
>
> There isn't even a Win7-specific newsgroup on the private MVP server.
> (Talk about howls of protests! <w>)





> David Dickinson wrote:
>>> Upgrading to Win7 does not entail any Windows Update functionality
>>> whatsoever. As such, discussions of upgrading to Windows is
>>> off-topic in
>>> this newsgroup as well as in the Windows Update-specific forum, David.
>>
>> You're absolutely correct! I should have made it clear that I don't
>> disagree. But I understand why the OP posted that issue here, and I
>> won't
>> hold it against him. As I said, I simply consider it to be an act of
>> justified civil disobedience because there are no Windows 7-related
>> newsgroups. Sure, I'm certain that the OP didn't intend to violate any
>> social protocols, but even if it was accidental, civil disobedience it
>> was.
>>
>>> [It's bad enough that the WU-specific forum, which handles all traffic
>>> from Win7, Vista, and WinXP forums, has become swamped with posts about
>>> upgrading to Win7.]
>>
>> Thus the need to create a set of Windows 7-related newsgroups. They
>> should
>> exactly mirror the official "social" web-based forums, as they have
>> for many
>> years. But Microsoft wants us to move to the "social" web sites (for
>> some
>> reason that they haven't made clear).
>>
>> And I protest! Give me USENET or give me death! :-J
>>
>> David
>

PA Bear, I agree with both of you in principle, but I am happy to use
the social forums because there seems to be a lack of trolls there.
Perhaps that is what MS has in mind in the first place.
Dave T.

"Dave T." <> wrote in message
news:hdpb4l$mt0$...

> PA Bear, I agree with both of you in principle, but I am happy to use the
> social forums because there seems to be a lack of trolls there. Perhaps
> that is what MS has in mind in the first place.
> Dave T.

Forums without trolls? Then they are simply moderated forums, as the
newsgroups could be.