Windows 7 update nightmare

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <> wrote in message
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> FWIW:
>
> The IE-specific Win7, Vista, & WinXP forums all point to
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...lorer/threads/
>
> There isn't even a Win7-specific newsgroup on the private MVP server.
> (Talk about howls of protests! <w>)

And there used to be an Italian Windows 7 group on msnews,
microsoft.public.it.windows7, but now it is gone. I would think that such a
policy change might benefit from a public statement in explanation, but I
sure haven't seen one. For instance, if integrating the newsgroups into
their support search tool was proving to be impractical (which could be true
for many reasons), they could offer that explanation. But it's like they're
being sneaky about it. Ick!

David Dickinson wrote:
> "Dave T." <> wrote in message
> news:hdpb4l$mt0$...
>
>> PA Bear, I agree with both of you in principle, but I am happy to use
>> the social forums because there seems to be a lack of trolls there.
>> Perhaps that is what MS has in mind in the first place.
>> Dave T.
>
> Forums without trolls? Then they are simply moderated forums, as the
> newsgroups could be.
>

Exactly! But wait, the newsgroups are not moderated, hence the trolls. I
suppose the concept of attempting to moderate usenet is more than any
entity might want to undertake. I don't blame them for that, and it
*may* explain why the MS Social forums exist. I support the freedom of
usenet, but using that freedom to spew filth because they have no other
life is not something I want to live with. That is MY freedom.

Dave T.

Dave T. wrote:

> Exactly! But wait, the newsgroups are not moderated, hence the trolls.


Newsgroups ARE moderated except that the MVPs responsible are completely
useless in their responsibilities. I suggest try posting a link to a
porn site and within minutes that antipodean who claims to have high
moral values will remove it as soon as he wakes up. Alternatively tell
an MVP that he is a a very smelly Most Valuable Pig and this too will
be removed immediately.

hth

"ANONYMOUS" <> wrote in message
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>
> Dave T. wrote:
>
>> Exactly! But wait, the newsgroups are not moderated, hence the trolls.
>
>
> Newsgroups ARE moderated except that the MVPs responsible are completely
> useless in their responsibilities. I suggest try posting a link to a porn
> site and within minutes that antipodean who claims to have high moral
> values will remove it as soon as he wakes up. Alternatively tell an MVP
> that he is a a very smelly Most Valuable Pig and this too will be removed
> immediately.

You're wrong, hth. The MVPs are not responsible for moderating these
forums, unless the policy has changed since I was an MVP. If they were
moderated by MVPs, there would be some Windows 7 newsgroups.

Any "moderation" that I've seen here over the years has been simply to
remove spam or completely substanceless posts (usually one-word posts like
"hi" or "asdf", etc.). For the most part, these are unmoderated forums, and
you should try to familiarize yourself with facts (such as by asking
questions) in order to aleviate your crippling ignorance before you start
insulting people.

Dave T. wrote:
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> FWIW:
>>
>> The IE-specific Win7, Vista, & WinXP forums all point to
>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...lorer/threads/
>>
>> There isn't even a Win7-specific newsgroup on the private MVP server.
>> (Talk about howls of protests! <w>)
>
> PA Bear, I agree with both of you in principle, but I am happy to use
> the social forums because there seems to be a lack of trolls there.
> Perhaps that is what MS has in mind in the first place.

There are plenty of clueless trolls in those forums, believe me. In the
forums, however, MS both owns the content and controls it (since you must
have a Live ID to post). The former is the most likely reason MS moved all
Win7 support to those forums.

Dave T. wrote:
>> Forums without trolls? Then they are simply moderated forums, as the
>> newsgroups could be.
>>
>
> Exactly! But wait, the newsgroups are not moderated, hence the trolls...

There are several moderated MS newsgroups. None of them are publicly
accessible, however...nor are the forums, unless you just want read-only
access.

David Dickinson wrote:
>> FWIW:
>>
>> The IE-specific Win7, Vista, & WinXP forums all point to
>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...lorer/threads/
>>
>> There isn't even a Win7-specific newsgroup on the private MVP server.
>> (Talk about howls of protests! <w>)
>
> And there used to be an Italian Windows 7 group on msnews,
> microsoft.public.it.windows7, but now it is gone. I would think that such
> a
> policy change might benefit from a public statement in explanation, but I
> sure haven't seen one. For instance, if integrating the newsgroups into
> their support search tool was proving to be impractical (which could be
> true
> for many reasons), they could offer that explanation. But it's like
> they're
> being sneaky about it. Ick!

Sinofsky and his mafia being sneaky? Perish the thought!