Windows 98 forced Upgrade

We have an Internetcafe with 400 PCs running Windows 98. When we download MSN
live messenger from msn.com, version 7.0 is downloaded and installed. When we
try to sign in, a forced upgrade is required, clicking "no" just redisplays
the upgrade box. Clicking yes, starts a download which won't install and a
message "error, please visit MSN.COM to download newest version" is
displayed. The version which is downloaded from MSN.COM is again version 7.0
and the whole roundabout starts again....

What are Win98 users supposed to do? We can't windows on upgrade 400 PCs!!!!

Maybe some security software running on your computers/server is preventing
the install (lack of installing priviledges). The correct version of MSN
Messenger for Win98 is MSN Messenger 7.0.0820 which can be downloaded from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...4-9505f47bed45
(you may want to put this on a disk or other portable device so you don't
have to download more than once)

Uninstalling the current version on the computers might be a good idea too,
just to make sure the correct version is installed (and stays installed).
--

Sunshine
Windows Live Butterfly
http://SunshineWeb.org

"susiem" <> wrote in message
news:345C41E4-6511-42EF-B6E7-...
> We have an Internetcafe with 400 PCs running Windows 98. When we download
> MSN
> live messenger from msn.com, version 7.0 is downloaded and installed. When
> we
> try to sign in, a forced upgrade is required, clicking "no" just
> redisplays
> the upgrade box. Clicking yes, starts a download which won't install and a
> message "error, please visit MSN.COM to download newest version" is
> displayed. The version which is downloaded from MSN.COM is again version
> 7.0
> and the whole roundabout starts again....
>
> What are Win98 users supposed to do? We can't windows on upgrade 400
> PCs!!!!

Greetings,

If you really have 400 machines, you should really consider some way of deploying
applications throughout the network as Internet applications constantly require updates.

--
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2007 Jonathan Kay.
You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
--


"susiem" <> wrote in message
news:345C41E4-6511-42EF-B6E7-...
> We have an Internetcafe with 400 PCs running Windows 98. When we download MSN
> live messenger from msn.com, version 7.0 is downloaded and installed. When we
> try to sign in, a forced upgrade is required, clicking "no" just redisplays
> the upgrade box. Clicking yes, starts a download which won't install and a
> message "error, please visit MSN.COM to download newest version" is
> displayed. The version which is downloaded from MSN.COM is again version 7.0
> and the whole roundabout starts again....
>
> What are Win98 users supposed to do? We can't windows on upgrade 400 PCs!!!!

We download MSN messenger everytime from exactly this link (there is no MSN
installed by default). The version that is installed 7.0.0820, then
immediately wants to upgrade to 8.1, no choice to answer no!!!. This then
fails because of compatibility reasons. There is no security software
preventing installation. Up until last week MSN installed with no problems

"Sunshine" wrote:

> Maybe some security software running on your computers/server is preventing
> the install (lack of installing priviledges). The correct version of MSN
> Messenger for Win98 is MSN Messenger which can be downloaded from
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...4-9505f47bed45
> (you may want to put this on a disk or other portable device so you don't
> have to download more than once)
>
> Uninstalling the current version on the computers might be a good idea too,
> just to make sure the correct version is installed (and stays installed).
> --
>
> Sunshine
> Windows Live Butterfly
> http://SunshineWeb.org
>
> "susiem" <> wrote in message
> news:345C41E4-6511-42EF-B6E7-...
> > We have an Internetcafe with 400 PCs running Windows 98. When we download
> > MSN
> > live messenger from msn.com, version 7.0 is downloaded and installed. When
> > we
> > try to sign in, a forced upgrade is required, clicking "no" just
> > redisplays
> > the upgrade box. Clicking yes, starts a download which won't install and a
> > message "error, please visit MSN.COM to download newest version" is
> > displayed. The version which is downloaded from MSN.COM is again version
> > 7.0
> > and the whole roundabout starts again....
> >
> > What are Win98 users supposed to do? We can't windows on upgrade 400
> > PCs!!!!
>
>

We have no software installed on the PCs, MSN has to be downloaded everytime.
Version 7.0.0820installs ok , then immediately wants to upgrade to 8.1, no
choice to answer no!!!. This then fails because of compatibility reasons.
There is no security software preventing installation. Up until last week MSN
installed with no problems

"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> If you really have 400 machines, you should really consider some way of deploying
> applications throughout the network as Internet applications constantly require updates.
>
> --
> Jonathan Kay
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2007 Jonathan Kay.
> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
> --
>
>
> "susiem" <> wrote in message
> news:345C41E4-6511-42EF-B6E7-...
> > We have an Internetcafe with 400 PCs running Windows 98. When we download MSN
> > live messenger from msn.com, version 7.0 is downloaded and installed. When we
> > try to sign in, a forced upgrade is required, clicking "no" just redisplays
> > the upgrade box. Clicking yes, starts a download which won't install and a
> > message "error, please visit MSN.COM to download newest version" is
> > displayed. The version which is downloaded from MSN.COM is again version 7.0
> > and the whole roundabout starts again....
> >
> > What are Win98 users supposed to do? We can't windows on upgrade 400 PCs!!!!
>
>

Come on, the post is about Microsoft carrying on a FORCED UPDATE, one which
users can't prevent. The post is not about finding an alternative to MSN!

Best,
k.




"Thai Berry (U.S.)" wrote:

> I would suggest you use
> http://www.pidgin.im/
>
> Or the portable version that you can find at www.portableapps.com
>
> or amsn http://www.amsn-project.net/
>
>
> "susiem" <> wrote in message
> news:076322DE-586E-444F-98E3-...
> > We have no software installed on the PCs, MSN has to be downloaded
> > everytime.
> > Version 7.0.0820installs ok , then immediately wants to upgrade to 8.1, no
> > choice to answer no!!!. This then fails because of compatibility reasons.
> > There is no security software preventing installation. Up until last week
> > MSN
> > installed with no problems
> >
> > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> If you really have 400 machines, you should really consider some way of
> >> deploying
> >> applications throughout the network as Internet applications constantly
> >> require updates.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jonathan Kay
> >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> >> Associate Expert
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2007 Jonathan Kay.
> >> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> "susiem" <> wrote in message
> >> news:345C41E4-6511-42EF-B6E7-...
> >> > We have an Internetcafe with 400 PCs running Windows 98. When we
> >> > download MSN
> >> > live messenger from msn.com, version 7.0 is downloaded and installed.
> >> > When we
> >> > try to sign in, a forced upgrade is required, clicking "no" just
> >> > redisplays
> >> > the upgrade box. Clicking yes, starts a download which won't install
> >> > and a
> >> > message "error, please visit MSN.COM to download newest version" is
> >> > displayed. The version which is downloaded from MSN.COM is again
> >> > version 7.0
> >> > and the whole roundabout starts again....
> >> >
> >> > What are Win98 users supposed to do? We can't windows on upgrade 400
> >> > PCs!!!!
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

IE version 6 is installed.

There is no default IM application installed.

MSN Version 7 installs ok, but when the programme is executed, the forced
upgrade message is displayed with options "yes" and "no". If we select "no"
then the message is just redisplayed. If we answer "yes", then we get an
installation error for MSN version 8. The upgrade box can't be cancelled, it
just reappears.

We have rembo software which reimages the machines after each user session.
This image is administered from HQ in London and can't be changed everytime
upgrades for software are released, hence the absence of pre-installed IM
software.


"Shane Nokes" wrote:

> I think perhaps there's something missing in what you're giving us.
>
> You're stating that there is no software installed and MSN has to be
> downloaded everytime.
>
>
> Let me clear this up so that future posts could be more easily understood.
>
> Are you saying that by default your internet café does not have IM
> applications installed on any of the machines?
>
> Are you also then stating that users are attempting to install MSN
> Messenger 7.0.0820 and it fails to install as it wants to immediately
> update to version 8.1?
>
> Also do you know what version of Internet Explorer your PC's are running?
>
> I have heard of issues with earlier versions of IE and this versions of
> MSN Messenger
> "susiem" <> wrote in message
> news:076322DE-586E-444F-98E3-...
> We have no software installed on the PCs, MSN has to be downloaded
> everytime.
> Version 7.0.0820installs ok , then immediately wants to upgrade to 8.1,
> no
> choice to answer no!!!. This then fails because of compatibility
> reasons.
> There is no security software preventing installation. Up until last
> week MSN
> installed with no problems
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > If you really have 400 machines, you should really consider some way
> of deploying
> > applications throughout the network as Internet applications
> constantly require updates.
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan Kay
> > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2007 Jonathan Kay.
> > You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
> > --
> >
> >
> > "susiem" <> wrote in message
> > news:345C41E4-6511-42EF-B6E7-...
> > > We have an Internetcafe with 400 PCs running Windows 98. When we
> download MSN
> > > live messenger from msn.com, version 7.0 is downloaded and
> installed. When we
> > > try to sign in, a forced upgrade is required, clicking "no" just
> redisplays
> > > the upgrade box. Clicking yes, starts a download which won't install
> and a
> > > message "error, please visit MSN.COM to download newest version" is
> > > displayed. The version which is downloaded from MSN.COM is again
> version 7.0
> > > and the whole roundabout starts again....
> > >
> > > What are Win98 users supposed to do? We can't windows on upgrade 400
> PCs!!!!
> >
> >
>

susiem: did you find a solution to your problem. i've been having the same
issue with my windows 2000 laptop, although with version 7.0.0816.

thanks!

"susiem" wrote:

> IE version 6 is installed.
>
> There is no default IM application installed.
>
> MSN Version 7 installs ok, but when the programme is executed, the forced
> upgrade message is displayed with options "yes" and "no". If we select "no"
> then the message is just redisplayed. If we answer "yes", then we get an
> installation error for MSN version 8. The upgrade box can't be cancelled, it
> just reappears.
>
> We have rembo software which reimages the machines after each user session.
> This image is administered from HQ in London and can't be changed everytime
> upgrades for software are released, hence the absence of pre-installed IM
> software.
>
>
> "Shane Nokes" wrote:
>
> > I think perhaps there's something missing in what you're giving us.
> >
> > You're stating that there is no software installed and MSN has to be
> > downloaded everytime.
> >
> >
> > Let me clear this up so that future posts could be more easily understood.
> >
> > Are you saying that by default your internet café does not have IM
> > applications installed on any of the machines?
> >
> > Are you also then stating that users are attempting to install MSN
> > Messenger 7.0.0820 and it fails to install as it wants to immediately
> > update to version 8.1?
> >
> > Also do you know what version of Internet Explorer your PC's are running?
> >
> > I have heard of issues with earlier versions of IE and this versions of
> > MSN Messenger
> > "susiem" <> wrote in message
> > news:076322DE-586E-444F-98E3-...
> > We have no software installed on the PCs, MSN has to be downloaded
> > everytime.
> > Version 7.0.0820installs ok , then immediately wants to upgrade to 8.1,
> > no
> > choice to answer no!!!. This then fails because of compatibility
> > reasons.
> > There is no security software preventing installation. Up until last
> > week MSN
> > installed with no problems
> >
> > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > If you really have 400 machines, you should really consider some way
> > of deploying
> > > applications throughout the network as Internet applications
> > constantly require updates.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jonathan Kay
> > > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> > > Associate Expert
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > > All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2007 Jonathan Kay.
> > > You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > "susiem" <> wrote in message
> > > news:345C41E4-6511-42EF-B6E7-...
> > > > We have an Internetcafe with 400 PCs running Windows 98. When we
> > download MSN
> > > > live messenger from msn.com, version 7.0 is downloaded and
> > installed. When we
> > > > try to sign in, a forced upgrade is required, clicking "no" just
> > redisplays
> > > > the upgrade box. Clicking yes, starts a download which won't install
> > and a
> > > > message "error, please visit MSN.COM to download newest version" is
> > > > displayed. The version which is downloaded from MSN.COM is again
> > version 7.0
> > > > and the whole roundabout starts again....
> > > >
> > > > What are Win98 users supposed to do? We can't windows on upgrade 400
> > PCs!!!!
> > >
> > >
> >