Windows 98 on VPC2004

Hi

I recently installed VPC2004 onto my TabletPC (Tecra M4) so I can run
Windows 98 on it (and thus, run a load of apps that don't run on Windows XP
Tablet PC Edition 2005).

Thing is, after installing Windows 98 (First-Edition) from my "Windows 98
Upgrade" CD I ran into driver problems (namely, the network driver, even
after installing the VPC 'Additions'). And even with the soundcard driver
installed all sound is choppy and somewhat distorted, even simple WAVs.

Have I done anything wrong at all, after all, Windows 98-on-VPC is supported
by Microsoft.

--
-David

Win98 should default to installing the correct driver for the VM, but if
it's not, you have to select "PCI Fast Ethernet DEC 21140 Based adapter",
that's what Virtual PC emulates.

As for sound it's probably a performance issue.

--
Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP - Virtual Machine>



"David R" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi
>
> I recently installed VPC2004 onto my TabletPC (Tecra M4) so I can run
> Windows 98 on it (and thus, run a load of apps that don't run on Windows
> XP Tablet PC Edition 2005).
>
> Thing is, after installing Windows 98 (First-Edition) from my "Windows 98
> Upgrade" CD I ran into driver problems (namely, the network driver, even
> after installing the VPC 'Additions'). And even with the soundcard driver
> installed all sound is choppy and somewhat distorted, even simple WAVs.
>
> Have I done anything wrong at all, after all, Windows 98-on-VPC is
> supported by Microsoft.
>
> --
> -David
>

I restarted my installation of Windows 98, previously I was doing a
botched-job due to my partially-hacked bootable Windows 98 CD, but now I'm
using my original medium (because I didn't realise VPC could use bootable
floppy images until afterwards).

But I've now got Windows 98 fully installed and I'm just patching it now,
ironic at how the "Download IE6" page doesn't render at all in IE4 (I had to
sneak around a bit to download the installer).

Sound performance has improved, but it still stutters a bit, performance
also takes a hit whenever I use my tablet's pen, which is a bit odd.

Do you have any other recommendations?

One last thing, how does Windows Server 2003 perform under VirtualPC 2004?
I'm wanting to install Visual Studio onto my TabletPC but without the burden
of also installing IIS, so I thought to install WS2003 into a virtualised
server environment and access IIS via the loopback adapter, this would work,
right?

Thanks
--
-David

"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:...
> Win98 should default to installing the correct driver for the VM, but if
> it's not, you have to select "PCI Fast Ethernet DEC 21140 Based adapter",
> that's what Virtual PC emulates.
>
> As for sound it's probably a performance issue.
>
> --
> Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP - Virtual Machine>
>
>
>
> "David R" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Hi
>>
>> I recently installed VPC2004 onto my TabletPC (Tecra M4) so I can run
>> Windows 98 on it (and thus, run a load of apps that don't run on Windows
>> XP Tablet PC Edition 2005).
>>
>> Thing is, after installing Windows 98 (First-Edition) from my "Windows 98
>> Upgrade" CD I ran into driver problems (namely, the network driver, even
>> after installing the VPC 'Additions'). And even with the soundcard driver
>> installed all sound is choppy and somewhat distorted, even simple WAVs.
>>
>> Have I done anything wrong at all, after all, Windows 98-on-VPC is
>> supported by Microsoft.
>>
>> --
>> -David
>>
>
>

> But I've now got Windows 98 fully installed and I'm just patching it now,
> ironic at how the "Download IE6" page doesn't render at all in IE4 (I had
> to sneak around a bit to download the installer).

Yep, that's a very common problem.

> Do you have any other recommendations?

How much RAM do you have on the host and how much RAM are you dedicating to
the VM?

> One last thing, how does Windows Server 2003 perform under VirtualPC 2004?
> I'm wanting to install Visual Studio onto my TabletPC but without the
> burden of also installing IIS, so I thought to install WS2003 into a
> virtualised server environment and access IIS via the loopback adapter,
> this would work, right?

It should, I have run that configuration, but it all kind of depends on your
tablet performance-wise. But really you're going to effect the hosts
performance more by this than just installing IIS on the host. When I use
IIS on the guest, that's also where I'm doing the development too, so it's a
natural fit.

--
Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP - Virtual Machine>



"David R" <> wrote in message
news:...
>I restarted my installation of Windows 98, previously I was doing a
>botched-job due to my partially-hacked bootable Windows 98 CD, but now I'm
>using my original medium (because I didn't realise VPC could use bootable
>floppy images until afterwards).
>
> But I've now got Windows 98 fully installed and I'm just patching it now,
> ironic at how the "Download IE6" page doesn't render at all in IE4 (I had
> to sneak around a bit to download the installer).
>
> Sound performance has improved, but it still stutters a bit, performance
> also takes a hit whenever I use my tablet's pen, which is a bit odd.
>
> Do you have any other recommendations?
>
> One last thing, how does Windows Server 2003 perform under VirtualPC 2004?
> I'm wanting to install Visual Studio onto my TabletPC but without the
> burden of also installing IIS, so I thought to install WS2003 into a
> virtualised server environment and access IIS via the loopback adapter,
> this would work, right?
>
> Thanks
> --
> -David
>
> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Win98 should default to installing the correct driver for the VM, but if
>> it's not, you have to select "PCI Fast Ethernet DEC 21140 Based adapter",
>> that's what Virtual PC emulates.
>>
>> As for sound it's probably a performance issue.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP - Virtual Machine>
>>
>>
>>
>> "David R" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I recently installed VPC2004 onto my TabletPC (Tecra M4) so I can run
>>> Windows 98 on it (and thus, run a load of apps that don't run on Windows
>>> XP Tablet PC Edition 2005).
>>>
>>> Thing is, after installing Windows 98 (First-Edition) from my "Windows
>>> 98 Upgrade" CD I ran into driver problems (namely, the network driver,
>>> even after installing the VPC 'Additions'). And even with the soundcard
>>> driver installed all sound is choppy and somewhat distorted, even simple
>>> WAVs.
>>>
>>> Have I done anything wrong at all, after all, Windows 98-on-VPC is
>>> supported by Microsoft.
>>>
>>> --
>>> -David
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:...
>> But I've now got Windows 98 fully installed and I'm just patching it now,
>> ironic at how the "Download IE6" page doesn't render at all in IE4 (I had
>> to sneak around a bit to download the installer).
>
> Yep, that's a very common problem.

Hence why I download Firefox before IE6

>
>> Do you have any other recommendations?
>
> How much RAM do you have on the host and how much RAM are you dedicating
> to the VM?

512MB on the laptop with 64MB dedicated to my Windows 98 image, that was
what was recommended by the VirtualPC image. I ran a 64MB Windows 98 image
using VMWare (but on my desktop) a while ago and the performance was
excellent (but I stopped using it after a while because the emulated
hardware wasn't compatible with the games I wanted to run).

>
>> One last thing, how does Windows Server 2003 perform under VirtualPC
>> 2004? I'm wanting to install Visual Studio onto my TabletPC but without
>> the burden of also installing IIS, so I thought to install WS2003 into a
>> virtualised server environment and access IIS via the loopback adapter,
>> this would work, right?
>
> It should, I have run that configuration, but it all kind of depends on
> your tablet performance-wise. But really you're going to effect the hosts
> performance more by this than just installing IIS on the host. When I use
> IIS on the guest, that's also where I'm doing the development too, so it's
> a natural fit.

Well I usually develop for IIS6 and not IIS5 plus I'm keen to do a bit of
Windows Media Services development as well, and since you can't run WMS on
Windows XP then I'll have to go with installing WS2003 in a virtualised
environment, but thanks for letting me know it works.

>
> --
> Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP - Virtual Machine>
>
>
>
> "David R" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>I restarted my installation of Windows 98, previously I was doing a
>>botched-job due to my partially-hacked bootable Windows 98 CD, but now I'm
>>using my original medium (because I didn't realise VPC could use bootable
>>floppy images until afterwards).
>>
>> But I've now got Windows 98 fully installed and I'm just patching it now,
>> ironic at how the "Download IE6" page doesn't render at all in IE4 (I had
>> to sneak around a bit to download the installer).
>>
>> Sound performance has improved, but it still stutters a bit, performance
>> also takes a hit whenever I use my tablet's pen, which is a bit odd.
>>
>> Do you have any other recommendations?
>>
>> One last thing, how does Windows Server 2003 perform under VirtualPC
>> 2004? I'm wanting to install Visual Studio onto my TabletPC but without
>> the burden of also installing IIS, so I thought to install WS2003 into a
>> virtualised server environment and access IIS via the loopback adapter,
>> this would work, right?
>>
>> Thanks
>> --
>> -David
>>
>> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Win98 should default to installing the correct driver for the VM, but if
>>> it's not, you have to select "PCI Fast Ethernet DEC 21140 Based
>>> adapter", that's what Virtual PC emulates.
>>>
>>> As for sound it's probably a performance issue.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP - Virtual Machine>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "David R" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I recently installed VPC2004 onto my TabletPC (Tecra M4) so I can run
>>>> Windows 98 on it (and thus, run a load of apps that don't run on
>>>> Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005).
>>>>
>>>> Thing is, after installing Windows 98 (First-Edition) from my "Windows
>>>> 98 Upgrade" CD I ran into driver problems (namely, the network driver,
>>>> even after installing the VPC 'Additions'). And even with the soundcard
>>>> driver installed all sound is choppy and somewhat distorted, even
>>>> simple WAVs.
>>>>
>>>> Have I done anything wrong at all, after all, Windows 98-on-VPC is
>>>> supported by Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

More RAM on the host is the only thing I can see. You probably would want
to run W2003 as a guest with more RAM than you're going to have available
and it'll help your Win98 performance too.

--
Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP - Virtual Machine>



"David R" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:...
>>> But I've now got Windows 98 fully installed and I'm just patching it
>>> now, ironic at how the "Download IE6" page doesn't render at all in IE4
>>> (I had to sneak around a bit to download the installer).
>>
>> Yep, that's a very common problem.
>
> Hence why I download Firefox before IE6
>
>>
>>> Do you have any other recommendations?
>>
>> How much RAM do you have on the host and how much RAM are you dedicating
>> to the VM?
>
> 512MB on the laptop with 64MB dedicated to my Windows 98 image, that was
> what was recommended by the VirtualPC image. I ran a 64MB Windows 98 image
> using VMWare (but on my desktop) a while ago and the performance was
> excellent (but I stopped using it after a while because the emulated
> hardware wasn't compatible with the games I wanted to run).
>
>>
>>> One last thing, how does Windows Server 2003 perform under VirtualPC
>>> 2004? I'm wanting to install Visual Studio onto my TabletPC but without
>>> the burden of also installing IIS, so I thought to install WS2003 into a
>>> virtualised server environment and access IIS via the loopback adapter,
>>> this would work, right?
>>
>> It should, I have run that configuration, but it all kind of depends on
>> your tablet performance-wise. But really you're going to effect the
>> hosts performance more by this than just installing IIS on the host.
>> When I use IIS on the guest, that's also where I'm doing the development
>> too, so it's a natural fit.
>
> Well I usually develop for IIS6 and not IIS5 plus I'm keen to do a bit of
> Windows Media Services development as well, and since you can't run WMS on
> Windows XP then I'll have to go with installing WS2003 in a virtualised
> environment, but thanks for letting me know it works.
>
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP - Virtual Machine>
>>
>>
>>
>> "David R" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>>I restarted my installation of Windows 98, previously I was doing a
>>>botched-job due to my partially-hacked bootable Windows 98 CD, but now
>>>I'm using my original medium (because I didn't realise VPC could use
>>>bootable floppy images until afterwards).
>>>
>>> But I've now got Windows 98 fully installed and I'm just patching it
>>> now, ironic at how the "Download IE6" page doesn't render at all in IE4
>>> (I had to sneak around a bit to download the installer).
>>>
>>> Sound performance has improved, but it still stutters a bit, performance
>>> also takes a hit whenever I use my tablet's pen, which is a bit odd.
>>>
>>> Do you have any other recommendations?
>>>
>>> One last thing, how does Windows Server 2003 perform under VirtualPC
>>> 2004? I'm wanting to install Visual Studio onto my TabletPC but without
>>> the burden of also installing IIS, so I thought to install WS2003 into a
>>> virtualised server environment and access IIS via the loopback adapter,
>>> this would work, right?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> --
>>> -David
>>>
>>> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Win98 should default to installing the correct driver for the VM, but
>>>> if it's not, you have to select "PCI Fast Ethernet DEC 21140 Based
>>>> adapter", that's what Virtual PC emulates.
>>>>
>>>> As for sound it's probably a performance issue.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP - Virtual Machine>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "David R" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently installed VPC2004 onto my TabletPC (Tecra M4) so I can run
>>>>> Windows 98 on it (and thus, run a load of apps that don't run on
>>>>> Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thing is, after installing Windows 98 (First-Edition) from my "Windows
>>>>> 98 Upgrade" CD I ran into driver problems (namely, the network driver,
>>>>> even after installing the VPC 'Additions'). And even with the
>>>>> soundcard driver installed all sound is choppy and somewhat distorted,
>>>>> even simple WAVs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have I done anything wrong at all, after all, Windows 98-on-VPC is
>>>>> supported by Microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -David
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

I read up about QEmu, it sounds good so far, but the documentation doesn't
mention soundcard emulation at all, how well does it do that? (As well as
networking)

Thanks
--
-David

<> wrote in message
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> As far as games on Vmware go.....
>
> Alot of 9x games prefer the desktop be in 16bit color. For some odd
> reason whever your host is in 32bit color, 16bit color isn't available
> in Windows 9x in Vmware. Therefore when you run 9x games they error out
> because they can't switch to 16bit. Easy fix for this is to switch your
> host desktop to 16bit and your guest will then have access to 16bit
> color. This enabled me to get a few more games working in Vmware that
> used to only work in VPC.
>
> For the rest of my Windows games that don't work in host XP I use Qemu.
>