Windows Explorer fails and fails and fails...

My customer has had Vista for three months. He called me. Vista is in
an endless loop. The Windows Explorer fails repeatedly and restarts. If
you are lucky, the loop will last long enough to see that one of the anti
virus programs has identified a virus. It was too stupid to prevent the
virus from infecting the system. With a great deal of effort, I was able
to run msconfig from the task manager, but to no avail. Windows explorer
continues to fail repeatedly. I tried restoring to an earlier date.
This attempt also failed. The restore function is broken and the shadow
is not working correctly. It may have been broken by the virus, for all
I know. I tried restoring the system using F11, but the customer had
ignorantly formatted the restore partition (Compaq). There is no restore
cdroms. He didn't get any and he didn't make any. At this point, he can
order the restore disks from Compaq,
and
he can use his computer in the meanwhile with an installation of
PCLINUXOS.
I may tell him to try out Linux before ordering the disks.

A number of my customers have shown a great deal of excitement, when they
first see the Linux desktop. They find the gui easier to use than
Windows. Of course, I spend a little time setting it up for them.



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The Linux desk top is great although it still cannot hide the need to type
in propeller head instructions to perform basic tasks.
And the sad truth is that productivity programs cannot compete with those
from major Wintel/Mactel vendors, unless all you want to do is surf the web
and use crippleware office suites.

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:15:37 +0000, babaloo wrote:

> The Linux desk top is great although it still cannot hide the need to
> type in propeller head instructions to perform basic tasks. And the sad
> truth is that productivity programs cannot compete with those from major
> Wintel/Mactel vendors, unless all you want to do is surf the web and use
> crippleware office suites.

80% of my customers do just that..surf the web, take pictures, play
music, read and reply to their email, write and print a simple letter,
play games and use pogo. You can easily setup their desktop to do just
that. They do not have to worry about viruses and spyware. They do not
have to learn anything else, but use the menu. Software updates are
simple and fast. Just yesterday, one of my customers told me that Linux
was easy to use. I had replace ME on his old computer with Linux. It
was faster than that old version of windows and it was a brand new
operating system. It was installed on a p3 with 192 megs of ram. The
movies played without skipping and the sound was noticeably better.
Anyone who wants to delve deeper is free to do so. You can write
programs for Linux, play around with the operating system, learn the
command line. Since there are no secrets, everything is open to you.
There are still areas, where you need Windows programs, but this is
changing every day.

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Bill wrote:
> My customer has had Vista for three months. He called me. Vista is in
> an endless loop. The Windows Explorer fails repeatedly and restarts. If
> you are lucky, the loop will last long enough to see that one of the anti
> virus programs has identified a virus. It was too stupid to prevent the
> virus from infecting the system. With a great deal of effort, I was able
> to run msconfig from the task manager, but to no avail. Windows explorer
> continues to fail repeatedly. I tried restoring to an earlier date.
> This attempt also failed. The restore function is broken and the shadow
> is not working correctly. It may have been broken by the virus, for all
> I know. I tried restoring the system using F11, but the customer had
> ignorantly formatted the restore partition (Compaq). There is no restore
> cdroms. He didn't get any and he didn't make any. At this point, he can
> order the restore disks from Compaq,
> and
> he can use his computer in the meanwhile with an installation of
> PCLINUXOS.
> I may tell him to try out Linux before ordering the disks.
>
> A number of my customers have shown a great deal of excitement, when they
> first see the Linux desktop. They find the gui easier to use than
> Windows. Of course, I spend a little time setting it up for them.
>
>
>
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A friend of mine just had the same problem - he was tricked into
installing a virus while he was browsing myspace.

System restore worked perfectly for him.

All the security in the world won't protect you from yourself,
regardless of OS.


--
-JB
Microsoft MVP - Windows Shell/User
Windows Vista Support FAQ - http://www.jimmah.com/vista/

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:59:32 -0400, Jimmy Brush wrote:

> Bill wrote:
>> My customer has had Vista for three months. He called me. Vista is in
>> an endless loop. The Windows Explorer fails repeatedly and restarts.
>> If you are lucky, the loop will last long enough to see that one of the
>> anti virus programs has identified a virus. It was too stupid to
>> prevent the virus from infecting the system. With a great deal of
>> effort, I was able to run msconfig from the task manager, but to no
>> avail. Windows explorer continues to fail repeatedly. I tried
>> restoring to an earlier date. This attempt also failed. The restore
>> function is broken and the shadow is not working correctly. It may
>> have been broken by the virus, for all I know. I tried restoring the
>> system using F11, but the customer had ignorantly formatted the restore
>> partition (Compaq). There is no restore cdroms. He didn't get any and
>> he didn't make any. At this point, he can order the restore disks from
>> Compaq,
>> and
>> he can use his computer in the meanwhile with an installation of
>> PCLINUXOS.
>> I may tell him to try out Linux before ordering the disks.
>>
>> A number of my customers have shown a great deal of excitement, when
>> they first see the Linux desktop. They find the gui easier to use than
>> Windows. Of course, I spend a little time setting it up for them.
>>
>>
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>
>
> A friend of mine just had the same problem - he was tricked into
> installing a virus while he was browsing myspace.
>
> System restore worked perfectly for him.
>
> All the security in the world won't protect you from yourself,
> regardless of OS.

As you can see from my post, I had tried all the options. Nothing
worked. Right now I am downloading loads of programs and games for my
customer. The only problem that I have experienced so far...was locating
the drivers for his wifi. The device was clearly identified in the
control center, so I could look for a specific device (Dell 1390 wlan).
I downloaded the driver from Dell (although it was a Compaq), used Ark to
extract the files, and then used ndiswrapper to install it to Linux. It
worked immediately and asked if the wireless network detected was
correct. I used the resources for finding the driver from Sourceforce.
I have spent as much time in the past looking for and installing a driver
for Windows XP. The rest of the drivers for this brand new Compaq were
built-in except for the Video Drivers which were installed with one click
in Synaptic. I have noticed a big speed increase when using Linux over
XP or Vista. Programs load fast.

It took over two hours last night to install Windows XP from Hp restore
DVD-Roms on another new computer (hard drive died). It took another 30
minutes to remove the craplets. It took 30 minutes to install PCLINUXOS
and another 30 minutes to find and install the Wifi drivers. The rest of
the time is spent downloading and installing lots of free and useful
programs. You do not have to reboot, sometimes you have to log in and
out. You can always use your computer, while installing programs...It is
up to the customer. He will either like Linux and continue using it, or
he will spend the money for the restore disks from Compaq, but in the
meanwhile, he will be able to use his computer without fear of viruses or
spyware.


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You didn't boot up in safe mode and run your antivirus and anti spyware
programs from there. Therefore, you didn't do everything.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Bill" <> wrote in message
news...
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:59:32 -0400, Jimmy Brush wrote:
>
>> Bill wrote:
>>> My customer has had Vista for three months. He called me. Vista is in
>>> an endless loop. The Windows Explorer fails repeatedly and restarts.
>>> If you are lucky, the loop will last long enough to see that one of the
>>> anti virus programs has identified a virus. It was too stupid to
>>> prevent the virus from infecting the system. With a great deal of
>>> effort, I was able to run msconfig from the task manager, but to no
>>> avail. Windows explorer continues to fail repeatedly. I tried
>>> restoring to an earlier date. This attempt also failed. The restore
>>> function is broken and the shadow is not working correctly. It may
>>> have been broken by the virus, for all I know. I tried restoring the
>>> system using F11, but the customer had ignorantly formatted the restore
>>> partition (Compaq). There is no restore cdroms. He didn't get any and
>>> he didn't make any. At this point, he can order the restore disks from
>>> Compaq,
>>> and
>>> he can use his computer in the meanwhile with an installation of
>>> PCLINUXOS.
>>> I may tell him to try out Linux before ordering the disks.
>>>
>>> A number of my customers have shown a great deal of excitement, when
>>> they first see the Linux desktop. They find the gui easier to use than
>>> Windows. Of course, I spend a little time setting it up for them.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> A friend of mine just had the same problem - he was tricked into
>> installing a virus while he was browsing myspace.
>>
>> System restore worked perfectly for him.
>>
>> All the security in the world won't protect you from yourself,
>> regardless of OS.
>
> As you can see from my post, I had tried all the options. Nothing
> worked. Right now I am downloading loads of programs and games for my
> customer. The only problem that I have experienced so far...was locating
> the drivers for his wifi. The device was clearly identified in the
> control center, so I could look for a specific device (Dell 1390 wlan).
> I downloaded the driver from Dell (although it was a Compaq), used Ark to
> extract the files, and then used ndiswrapper to install it to Linux. It
> worked immediately and asked if the wireless network detected was
> correct. I used the resources for finding the driver from Sourceforce.
> I have spent as much time in the past looking for and installing a driver
> for Windows XP. The rest of the drivers for this brand new Compaq were
> built-in except for the Video Drivers which were installed with one click
> in Synaptic. I have noticed a big speed increase when using Linux over
> XP or Vista. Programs load fast.
>
> It took over two hours last night to install Windows XP from Hp restore
> DVD-Roms on another new computer (hard drive died). It took another 30
> minutes to remove the craplets. It took 30 minutes to install PCLINUXOS
> and another 30 minutes to find and install the Wifi drivers. The rest of
> the time is spent downloading and installing lots of free and useful
> programs. You do not have to reboot, sometimes you have to log in and
> out. You can always use your computer, while installing programs...It is
> up to the customer. He will either like Linux and continue using it, or
> he will spend the money for the restore disks from Compaq, but in the
> meanwhile, he will be able to use his computer without fear of viruses or
> spyware.
>
>
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Bill wrote:
...he will be able to use his computer without fear of viruses or
spyware.

BS! You're under a false impression, deluding yourself and most of all,
giving false hope and big misinformation to your "clients' about viruss
and linux.

http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3307459975.html

You need to read'em and heed'em.
Frank

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:27:20 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:

> You didn't boot up in safe mode and run your antivirus and anti spyware
> programs from there. Therefore, you didn't do everything.

I sure did run in safe mode. You probably didn't understand my post.
Whether in safe mode or normal mode, windows explorer continued to
crash. Have you tried running ANYTHING with windows explorer continually
crashing and looping. It was only after repeated attempts that I was
able to get MSCONFIG or Restore to run from the task manager. To further
complicate the issue, his Norton had expired. Nice, huh. You know so
much you must be an MVP. So much for the great security found in Vista.
So much for the great help you get here. Besides why should I spend more
hours trying to get Vista working, when it only took me an hour to nuke
it and put a real operating system on the computer.

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On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:33:56 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Bill wrote:
> ...he will be able to use his computer without fear of viruses or
> spyware.
>
> BS! You're under a false impression, deluding yourself and most of all,
> giving false hope and big misinformation to your "clients' about viruss
> and linux.
>
> http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3307459975.html
>
> You need to read'em and heed'em.
> Frank

Hi Frank:
(snort, burp, fart)
When I directly experience problems with viruses, I will install and use
one of several free anti-virus programs available. If I was selling anti-
virus solutions, as the interviewee of this report, I would probably try
to find some benefit for my product...Oh, but there is..if you have a
server and I quote....
"As system administrators move to Linux files servers they have a real
problem to deal with since the Linux file server can store Windows-based
viruses. Windows-based viruses can write to a Linux/Samba network share
as easily as they can on a Microsoft Windows based network. System
administrators must protect the Linux server from storing these viruses.
The only way is through active antivirus defense on the Linux server
itself."

Ah, windows based viruses. We mustn't store those nasty windows viruses
and pass them on to other windows computers..so we need an anti-virus to
catch them...hmmmmm..very interesting. But I don't have a server and I
don't connect to Windows computers...

I am sure that someone somewhere sometime will devise a Linux virus.
Human depravity is very ingenious... I will just download and install
clam, but so far it has been a waste of time, running an anti-virus.


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This reply is not coming from Outhouse Express, hence not top posted ...
Frank wrote:

> Bill wrote:
> ...he will be able to use his computer without fear of viruses or
> spyware.
>
> BS! You're under a false impression, deluding yourself and most of all,
> giving false hope and big misinformation to your "clients' about viruss
> and linux.
>
> http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT3307459975.html
>
> You need to read'em and heed'em.
> Frank

What a fscking moron! You send him to an OLD article (4 years old) that is
an interview with a guy trying to sell virus protection for Linux. When you
do go to Central Command's (his) website and check on the anti-virus
software they sell for Linux (
http://www.centralcommand.com/linux_server.html ) it states clearly it's
used to protect Windoze client workstations that store executables and data
on a Linux file server. In other words you dimwit, their software is to
protect Windoze systems.

Please go and find a Linux virus - that's in the wild today - that can harm
a Linux system. Tell us about any infected Linux boxes you can verify
outside a lab somewhere. Viruses don't exist in the wild for Linux desktops
because by the very nature of Linux - the complete separation of the kernel
space from the user space, won't allow viruses to propagate and that is
exactly what viruses need to do. If you knew even the slightest bit about
Linux you'd know that the user would have to be as stupid as you to get a
virus in the first place. In fact, being as stupid as you, he wouldn't be
able to accomplish getting a virus. He'd have to purposely install the
virus, make it executable and then try and run it. Then it would only
affect the user space if he could do that.

Guess, we can't expect anything better from the pig-for-brains Frankie Boy.
<snort>

Love and Kisses,
Doris

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