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jdenning
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      03-12-2007
I moved a subdirectory within my Documents directory. Now when I do a search
for a file type (eg. * doc) the search still picks up an entry for the old
file location as well as the new one. If I try to launch Word using the
prior entry I get an error message from Word. I have tried refresh and even
rebooted from power off. The search still picks up an entry for the old
files.
 
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kirk jim
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      03-12-2007
oh yes....windows indexing... lol ....

I wont go into that again...

if you read some of my older posts you will see why its a bad idea


"jdenning" <> wrote in message
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>I moved a subdirectory within my Documents directory. Now when I do a
>search
> for a file type (eg. * doc) the search still picks up an entry for the old
> file location as well as the new one. If I try to launch Word using the
> prior entry I get an error message from Word. I have tried refresh and
> even
> rebooted from power off. The search still picks up an entry for the old
> files.



 
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Puppy Breath
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      03-12-2007
The search index may be lagging a little. Try searching for a word in the
body of the document, or the filename, and see what happens with that
approach. Don't use the wildcard (*) or .doc. And try doing the search right
from the Start menu using a word from inside the document or maybe a word
from the filename. Once that's working, try the other older method (*.doc).



"jdenning" <> wrote in message
news:6FCA6891-4113-4762-80E1-...
>I moved a subdirectory within my Documents directory. Now when I do a
>search
> for a file type (eg. * doc) the search still picks up an entry for the old
> file location as well as the new one. If I try to launch Word using the
> prior entry I get an error message from Word. I have tried refresh and
> even
> rebooted from power off. The search still picks up an entry for the old
> files.



 
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kirk jim
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      03-12-2007
>The search index may be lagging a little.

now imagine what will happen in the near future with 100mb internet
connections
and files changing from hour to hour....

indexing will always be showing incorrect information
or it will be working 24/7 just to keep up... slowing down everything

thus indexing is a bad idea... I turn it off along with UAC


"Puppy Breath" <> wrote in message
news:...
> The search index may be lagging a little. Try searching for a word in the
> body of the document, or the filename, and see what happens with that
> approach. Don't use the wildcard (*) or .doc. And try doing the search
> right from the Start menu using a word from inside the document or maybe a
> word from the filename. Once that's working, try the other older method
> (*.doc).
>
>
>
> "jdenning" <> wrote in message
> news:6FCA6891-4113-4762-80E1-...
>>I moved a subdirectory within my Documents directory. Now when I do a
>>search
>> for a file type (eg. * doc) the search still picks up an entry for the
>> old
>> file location as well as the new one. If I try to launch Word using the
>> prior entry I get an error message from Word. I have tried refresh and
>> even
>> rebooted from power off. The search still picks up an entry for the old
>> files.

>
>



 
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jdenning
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      03-12-2007
Ok here goes an ignorant question. How do I turn this f?/*!!*ing "feature"
off? It doesn't seem like something that is particularly useful at all...
I've been a computer geek since the late 1960's (yes the 60's). I started
with the IBM 1620 which was the size of my garage and had the power of a
pocket calculator. I went through CDC Compass, Multics, Unix (learned from
Ken Thompson), VRTX, Windows 2.01, etc. and I am worn out trying to keep up
with the "latest" just for the sake of keeping up. If it isn't useful I
don't want to have to deal with it. I have seen more than one new feature.
- Pardon the rant... I just want something to work...

"kirk jim" wrote:

> >The search index may be lagging a little.

>
> now imagine what will happen in the near future with 100mb internet
> connections
> and files changing from hour to hour....
>
> indexing will always be showing incorrect information
> or it will be working 24/7 just to keep up... slowing down everything
>
> thus indexing is a bad idea... I turn it off along with UAC
>
>
> "Puppy Breath" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > The search index may be lagging a little. Try searching for a word in the
> > body of the document, or the filename, and see what happens with that
> > approach. Don't use the wildcard (*) or .doc. And try doing the search
> > right from the Start menu using a word from inside the document or maybe a
> > word from the filename. Once that's working, try the other older method
> > (*.doc).
> >
> >
> >
> > "jdenning" <> wrote in message
> > news:6FCA6891-4113-4762-80E1-...
> >>I moved a subdirectory within my Documents directory. Now when I do a
> >>search
> >> for a file type (eg. * doc) the search still picks up an entry for the
> >> old
> >> file location as well as the new one. If I try to launch Word using the
> >> prior entry I get an error message from Word. I have tried refresh and
> >> even
> >> rebooted from power off. The search still picks up an entry for the old
> >> files.

> >
> >

>
>
>

 
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kirk jim
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      03-12-2007
Dont need to say sorry for your rant. I am with you 100%.
I dont like many of the features of vista.. and want to turn them off as
soon as possible.

Dont feel that you dont want to keep in pace with changes.... this is not
true...
you want changes that are logical helpful and do not give erronious search
results! lol
You want easy and logical OS's that just work... and thats how Vista should
have been made.

To turn off search indexing....
go to the control panel (press classic link on the left to see all the
icons)
administration tools> services> and the service is called windows search (I
believe).
If you turn this off you will search normally without the indexing...

This is what I always do.. I just keep my files organised .. I dont like
indexing at all...
google desktop, coperneric, and windows desktop search all try to do that
same thing...
its a bad idea for computers that dont have lots of changes all the time.
My computer is in constant flux....

for some it may be ok.. but not for me...

Hope this helps


"jdenning" <> wrote in message
news:7250A1D9-FF9E-442F-A6D7-...
> Ok here goes an ignorant question. How do I turn this f?/*!!*ing
> "feature"
> off? It doesn't seem like something that is particularly useful at all...
> I've been a computer geek since the late 1960's (yes the 60's). I started
> with the IBM 1620 which was the size of my garage and had the power of a
> pocket calculator. I went through CDC Compass, Multics, Unix (learned
> from
> Ken Thompson), VRTX, Windows 2.01, etc. and I am worn out trying to keep
> up
> with the "latest" just for the sake of keeping up. If it isn't useful I
> don't want to have to deal with it. I have seen more than one new
> feature.
> - Pardon the rant... I just want something to work...
>
> "kirk jim" wrote:
>
>> >The search index may be lagging a little.

>>
>> now imagine what will happen in the near future with 100mb internet
>> connections
>> and files changing from hour to hour....
>>
>> indexing will always be showing incorrect information
>> or it will be working 24/7 just to keep up... slowing down everything
>>
>> thus indexing is a bad idea... I turn it off along with UAC
>>
>>
>> "Puppy Breath" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>> > The search index may be lagging a little. Try searching for a word in
>> > the
>> > body of the document, or the filename, and see what happens with that
>> > approach. Don't use the wildcard (*) or .doc. And try doing the search
>> > right from the Start menu using a word from inside the document or
>> > maybe a
>> > word from the filename. Once that's working, try the other older method
>> > (*.doc).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "jdenning" <> wrote in message
>> > news:6FCA6891-4113-4762-80E1-...
>> >>I moved a subdirectory within my Documents directory. Now when I do a
>> >>search
>> >> for a file type (eg. * doc) the search still picks up an entry for the
>> >> old
>> >> file location as well as the new one. If I try to launch Word using
>> >> the
>> >> prior entry I get an error message from Word. I have tried refresh
>> >> and
>> >> even
>> >> rebooted from power off. The search still picks up an entry for the
>> >> old
>> >> files.
>> >
>> >

>>
>>
>>



 
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Dave Wood [MS]
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      03-12-2007
Generally the indexer should keep up with file changes, although after
booting Vista for the first time or making very large changes to your file
layout it may take a while. You can see a little bit more information about
what the indexer is doing by going to the Indexing Options control panel.

If you want to disable indexing you can go Start -> type Services, and in
the Services app set the Windows Search service to "Disabled" {you'll know
if you no longer have SearchIndexer.exe running on your machine.

However personally I find having an index invaluable. I have thousands of
e-mails, documents etc. that it just wouldn't be feasible to search without
an index.

Dave

"jdenning" <> wrote in message
news:7250A1D9-FF9E-442F-A6D7-...
> Ok here goes an ignorant question. How do I turn this f?/*!!*ing
> "feature"
> off? It doesn't seem like something that is particularly useful at all...
> I've been a computer geek since the late 1960's (yes the 60's). I started
> with the IBM 1620 which was the size of my garage and had the power of a
> pocket calculator. I went through CDC Compass, Multics, Unix (learned
> from
> Ken Thompson), VRTX, Windows 2.01, etc. and I am worn out trying to keep
> up
> with the "latest" just for the sake of keeping up. If it isn't useful I
> don't want to have to deal with it. I have seen more than one new
> feature.
> - Pardon the rant... I just want something to work...
>
> "kirk jim" wrote:
>
>> >The search index may be lagging a little.

>>
>> now imagine what will happen in the near future with 100mb internet
>> connections
>> and files changing from hour to hour....
>>
>> indexing will always be showing incorrect information
>> or it will be working 24/7 just to keep up... slowing down everything
>>
>> thus indexing is a bad idea... I turn it off along with UAC
>>
>>
>> "Puppy Breath" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>> > The search index may be lagging a little. Try searching for a word in
>> > the
>> > body of the document, or the filename, and see what happens with that
>> > approach. Don't use the wildcard (*) or .doc. And try doing the search
>> > right from the Start menu using a word from inside the document or
>> > maybe a
>> > word from the filename. Once that's working, try the other older method
>> > (*.doc).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "jdenning" <> wrote in message
>> > news:6FCA6891-4113-4762-80E1-...
>> >>I moved a subdirectory within my Documents directory. Now when I do a
>> >>search
>> >> for a file type (eg. * doc) the search still picks up an entry for the
>> >> old
>> >> file location as well as the new one. If I try to launch Word using
>> >> the
>> >> prior entry I get an error message from Word. I have tried refresh
>> >> and
>> >> even
>> >> rebooted from power off. The search still picks up an entry for the
>> >> old
>> >> files.
>> >
>> >

>>
>>
>>


 
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kirk jim
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      03-12-2007
> However personally I find having an index invaluable. I have thousands of
> e-mails, documents etc. that it just wouldn't be feasible to search
> without an index.



How do I survive without EVER installing a dreaded indexer on my computer?
Having a stupid service scaning all your files all the time is a waste of
cpu power,
it makes your hard disk thrash all the time... oh I absolutly hate it...

Google made one, copernic made one.. and as always MS followed the leader
and made their own version of it. Windows desktop search for XP was on of
the worse
softwares I have EVER come accross. It forced me to FORMAT once because the
uninstaller did not work and the restore points before the time of
installation had been purged....

Now office 2007 when you install it on XP urges you (and is in your face all
the time) to install
that desktop search.. NEVER AGAIN!

I know how to be very organized...

I can find things faster than you with your indexer.. there is normal search
you know.. you dont have to index in order to search..

I have hundreds of thousands of files and I am downloading 24/7 ... no
indexer can keep up with me.

"Dave Wood [MS]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Generally the indexer should keep up with file changes, although after
> booting Vista for the first time or making very large changes to your file
> layout it may take a while. You can see a little bit more information
> about what the indexer is doing by going to the Indexing Options control
> panel.
>
> If you want to disable indexing you can go Start -> type Services, and in
> the Services app set the Windows Search service to "Disabled" {you'll know
> if you no longer have SearchIndexer.exe running on your machine.
>
> However personally I find having an index invaluable. I have thousands of
> e-mails, documents etc. that it just wouldn't be feasible to search
> without an index.
>
> Dave
>
> "jdenning" <> wrote in message
> news:7250A1D9-FF9E-442F-A6D7-...
>> Ok here goes an ignorant question. How do I turn this f?/*!!*ing
>> "feature"
>> off? It doesn't seem like something that is particularly useful at
>> all...
>> I've been a computer geek since the late 1960's (yes the 60's). I
>> started
>> with the IBM 1620 which was the size of my garage and had the power of a
>> pocket calculator. I went through CDC Compass, Multics, Unix (learned
>> from
>> Ken Thompson), VRTX, Windows 2.01, etc. and I am worn out trying to keep
>> up
>> with the "latest" just for the sake of keeping up. If it isn't useful I
>> don't want to have to deal with it. I have seen more than one new
>> feature.
>> - Pardon the rant... I just want something to work...
>>
>> "kirk jim" wrote:
>>
>>> >The search index may be lagging a little.
>>>
>>> now imagine what will happen in the near future with 100mb internet
>>> connections
>>> and files changing from hour to hour....
>>>
>>> indexing will always be showing incorrect information
>>> or it will be working 24/7 just to keep up... slowing down everything
>>>
>>> thus indexing is a bad idea... I turn it off along with UAC
>>>
>>>
>>> "Puppy Breath" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>> > The search index may be lagging a little. Try searching for a word in
>>> > the
>>> > body of the document, or the filename, and see what happens with that
>>> > approach. Don't use the wildcard (*) or .doc. And try doing the search
>>> > right from the Start menu using a word from inside the document or
>>> > maybe a
>>> > word from the filename. Once that's working, try the other older
>>> > method
>>> > (*.doc).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "jdenning" <> wrote in message
>>> > news:6FCA6891-4113-4762-80E1-...
>>> >>I moved a subdirectory within my Documents directory. Now when I do a
>>> >>search
>>> >> for a file type (eg. * doc) the search still picks up an entry for
>>> >> the
>>> >> old
>>> >> file location as well as the new one. If I try to launch Word using
>>> >> the
>>> >> prior entry I get an error message from Word. I have tried refresh
>>> >> and
>>> >> even
>>> >> rebooted from power off. The search still picks up an entry for the
>>> >> old
>>> >> files.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>

>



 
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Dave Wood [MS]
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      03-12-2007
Yeah, each to his/her own I guess. I work in Windows Search so I'm clearly
not an impartial observer. But for me, at least, the killer feature is the
e-mail search - like many people I get way too many mails in a day and I
often need to look back at e-mails from months or years ago. A non-indexed
search would be far too slow for this scenario.

Dave


"kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message
news:...
>> However personally I find having an index invaluable. I have thousands of
>> e-mails, documents etc. that it just wouldn't be feasible to search
>> without an index.

>
>
> How do I survive without EVER installing a dreaded indexer on my computer?
> Having a stupid service scaning all your files all the time is a waste of
> cpu power,
> it makes your hard disk thrash all the time... oh I absolutly hate it...
>
> Google made one, copernic made one.. and as always MS followed the leader
> and made their own version of it. Windows desktop search for XP was on of
> the worse
> softwares I have EVER come accross. It forced me to FORMAT once because
> the uninstaller did not work and the restore points before the time of
> installation had been purged....
>
> Now office 2007 when you install it on XP urges you (and is in your face
> all the time) to install
> that desktop search.. NEVER AGAIN!
>
> I know how to be very organized...
>
> I can find things faster than you with your indexer.. there is normal
> search you know.. you dont have to index in order to search..
>
> I have hundreds of thousands of files and I am downloading 24/7 ... no
> indexer can keep up with me.
>
> "Dave Wood [MS]" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Generally the indexer should keep up with file changes, although after
>> booting Vista for the first time or making very large changes to your
>> file layout it may take a while. You can see a little bit more
>> information about what the indexer is doing by going to the Indexing
>> Options control panel.
>>
>> If you want to disable indexing you can go Start -> type Services, and in
>> the Services app set the Windows Search service to "Disabled" {you'll
>> know if you no longer have SearchIndexer.exe running on your machine.
>>
>> However personally I find having an index invaluable. I have thousands of
>> e-mails, documents etc. that it just wouldn't be feasible to search
>> without an index.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> "jdenning" <> wrote in message
>> news:7250A1D9-FF9E-442F-A6D7-...
>>> Ok here goes an ignorant question. How do I turn this f?/*!!*ing
>>> "feature"
>>> off? It doesn't seem like something that is particularly useful at
>>> all...
>>> I've been a computer geek since the late 1960's (yes the 60's). I
>>> started
>>> with the IBM 1620 which was the size of my garage and had the power of a
>>> pocket calculator. I went through CDC Compass, Multics, Unix (learned
>>> from
>>> Ken Thompson), VRTX, Windows 2.01, etc. and I am worn out trying to keep
>>> up
>>> with the "latest" just for the sake of keeping up. If it isn't useful I
>>> don't want to have to deal with it. I have seen more than one new
>>> feature.
>>> - Pardon the rant... I just want something to work...
>>>
>>> "kirk jim" wrote:
>>>
>>>> >The search index may be lagging a little.
>>>>
>>>> now imagine what will happen in the near future with 100mb internet
>>>> connections
>>>> and files changing from hour to hour....
>>>>
>>>> indexing will always be showing incorrect information
>>>> or it will be working 24/7 just to keep up... slowing down everything
>>>>
>>>> thus indexing is a bad idea... I turn it off along with UAC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Puppy Breath" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>> > The search index may be lagging a little. Try searching for a word in
>>>> > the
>>>> > body of the document, or the filename, and see what happens with that
>>>> > approach. Don't use the wildcard (*) or .doc. And try doing the
>>>> > search
>>>> > right from the Start menu using a word from inside the document or
>>>> > maybe a
>>>> > word from the filename. Once that's working, try the other older
>>>> > method
>>>> > (*.doc).
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > "jdenning" <> wrote in message
>>>> > news:6FCA6891-4113-4762-80E1-...
>>>> >>I moved a subdirectory within my Documents directory. Now when I do
>>>> >>a
>>>> >>search
>>>> >> for a file type (eg. * doc) the search still picks up an entry for
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> old
>>>> >> file location as well as the new one. If I try to launch Word using
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> prior entry I get an error message from Word. I have tried refresh
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> even
>>>> >> rebooted from power off. The search still picks up an entry for the
>>>> >> old
>>>> >> files.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

>>

>
>


 
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kirk jim
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      03-12-2007
you work on windows search???

I hope then my observations about the search on xp & vista will reach
someone in MS...
This is not to insult you guys.. and I know that no one person makes the
decisions...
but please have the following 3 things in mind... and tell someone over
there.
I would love to see all MS products get even better.

1-the fact that if something goes wrong you can no longer uninstall it -
(see unlimited number of web pages that talk about this on Google).. the
integration is too much....

2- the fact that office2007 bugs you to install it when you office on xp,
and if you don't install it on outlook it retains that nagging yellow info
bar (there should be a way to turn that nagging bar off)...

3- Also one more thing.. windows vista should ASK you if you want to turn it
on or off.. having a
GUI button that you can see with ease.. on XP it had that small link that
let you turn indexing on and off..in vista they don't even have the link...

Thank you for listening...


"Dave Wood [MS]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Yeah, each to his/her own I guess. I work in Windows Search so I'm clearly
> not an impartial observer. But for me, at least, the killer feature is the
> e-mail search - like many people I get way too many mails in a day and I
> often need to look back at e-mails from months or years ago. A non-indexed
> search would be far too slow for this scenario.
>
> Dave
>
>
> "kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message
> news:...
>>> However personally I find having an index invaluable. I have thousands
>>> of e-mails, documents etc. that it just wouldn't be feasible to search
>>> without an index.

>>
>>
>> How do I survive without EVER installing a dreaded indexer on my
>> computer?
>> Having a stupid service scaning all your files all the time is a waste of
>> cpu power,
>> it makes your hard disk thrash all the time... oh I absolutly hate it...
>>
>> Google made one, copernic made one.. and as always MS followed the leader
>> and made their own version of it. Windows desktop search for XP was on of
>> the worse
>> softwares I have EVER come accross. It forced me to FORMAT once because
>> the uninstaller did not work and the restore points before the time of
>> installation had been purged....
>>
>> Now office 2007 when you install it on XP urges you (and is in your face
>> all the time) to install
>> that desktop search.. NEVER AGAIN!
>>
>> I know how to be very organized...
>>
>> I can find things faster than you with your indexer.. there is normal
>> search you know.. you dont have to index in order to search..
>>
>> I have hundreds of thousands of files and I am downloading 24/7 ... no
>> indexer can keep up with me.
>>
>> "Dave Wood [MS]" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Generally the indexer should keep up with file changes, although after
>>> booting Vista for the first time or making very large changes to your
>>> file layout it may take a while. You can see a little bit more
>>> information about what the indexer is doing by going to the Indexing
>>> Options control panel.
>>>
>>> If you want to disable indexing you can go Start -> type Services, and
>>> in the Services app set the Windows Search service to "Disabled" {you'll
>>> know if you no longer have SearchIndexer.exe running on your machine.
>>>
>>> However personally I find having an index invaluable. I have thousands
>>> of e-mails, documents etc. that it just wouldn't be feasible to search
>>> without an index.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> "jdenning" <> wrote in message
>>> news:7250A1D9-FF9E-442F-A6D7-...
>>>> Ok here goes an ignorant question. How do I turn this f?/*!!*ing
>>>> "feature"
>>>> off? It doesn't seem like something that is particularly useful at
>>>> all...
>>>> I've been a computer geek since the late 1960's (yes the 60's). I
>>>> started
>>>> with the IBM 1620 which was the size of my garage and had the power of
>>>> a
>>>> pocket calculator. I went through CDC Compass, Multics, Unix (learned
>>>> from
>>>> Ken Thompson), VRTX, Windows 2.01, etc. and I am worn out trying to
>>>> keep up
>>>> with the "latest" just for the sake of keeping up. If it isn't useful
>>>> I
>>>> don't want to have to deal with it. I have seen more than one new
>>>> feature.
>>>> - Pardon the rant... I just want something to work...
>>>>
>>>> "kirk jim" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >The search index may be lagging a little.
>>>>>
>>>>> now imagine what will happen in the near future with 100mb internet
>>>>> connections
>>>>> and files changing from hour to hour....
>>>>>
>>>>> indexing will always be showing incorrect information
>>>>> or it will be working 24/7 just to keep up... slowing down everything
>>>>>
>>>>> thus indexing is a bad idea... I turn it off along with UAC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Puppy Breath" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:...
>>>>> > The search index may be lagging a little. Try searching for a word
>>>>> > in the
>>>>> > body of the document, or the filename, and see what happens with
>>>>> > that
>>>>> > approach. Don't use the wildcard (*) or .doc. And try doing the
>>>>> > search
>>>>> > right from the Start menu using a word from inside the document or
>>>>> > maybe a
>>>>> > word from the filename. Once that's working, try the other older
>>>>> > method
>>>>> > (*.doc).
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "jdenning" <> wrote in message
>>>>> > news:6FCA6891-4113-4762-80E1-...
>>>>> >>I moved a subdirectory within my Documents directory. Now when I do
>>>>> >>a
>>>>> >>search
>>>>> >> for a file type (eg. * doc) the search still picks up an entry for
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> old
>>>>> >> file location as well as the new one. If I try to launch Word
>>>>> >> using the
>>>>> >> prior entry I get an error message from Word. I have tried refresh
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >> even
>>>>> >> rebooted from power off. The search still picks up an entry for
>>>>> >> the old
>>>>> >> files.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>



 
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