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windows live mail (desktop client verson) is fine. i use it, and like it much
better then the crappy windows mail. "Bink" wrote: > slow, buggy, unstable, unintuative, not stand alone, hard to fix if > something goes wrong, creepy, sneeky (it installs desktop search and a few > other things without even asking you!) > > it has all the ingredients of a terror app. This is of horrible VISTA > quality.... > > from a new generation of MS programmers that know SKIT about what the user > really wants and needs! > > > Thumbs down on this one.. and I wont mention how stupid Desktop Mail is! lol > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message > news  18F08DB-86AF-4945-8316-...> > Greetings, > > > > If you go to: > > http://get.live.com/WL/all > > > > You can uncheck what you want before running the installer. > > > > It's really slow for everyone I'm afraid. > > > > -- > > Jonathan Kay > > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > > Associate Expert > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com > > All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2007 Jonathan Kay. > > You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. > > -- > > > > > > "paulp" <> wrote in message > > news:3CC5A541-DD43-423B-B671-... > >> I attempted to install the latest Messenger beta. Clicking on the link > >> launched the Windows Live Installer. I just wanted Messenger. Please > >> don't > >> package the Windows Live Services like this. > >> > >> When I attempted to run the installer, it took 5-7 minutes to "check for > >> installed programs." When the installer started I got prompted to close > >> Internet Explorer. I did that. Then I got prompted (in a second dialog > >> box) > >> to close Outlook. I did that. Then I got prompted (in a third dialog box) > >> to > >> close 14 separate processes which included Windows Explorer, OneCare, > >> Internet Explorer (which wasn't running) something called the > >> DPPRAgntModule, > >> my HP Printer, and the Task Scheduler Engine. > >> > >> I cancelled the installation and won't try again until you unpackage the > >> products and fix the installer. > > > > > > > |
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What's really scary is that the "Live" properties are supposed to be the
direction of the 'new' Microsoft headed up by Groove Networks founder Ray Ozzie (does anyone actually use Groove?). Good sign that it's time to buy more Google stock. "Bink" wrote: > slow, buggy, unstable, unintuative, not stand alone, hard to fix if > something goes wrong, creepy, sneeky (it installs desktop search and a few > other things without even asking you!) > > it has all the ingredients of a terror app. This is of horrible VISTA > quality.... > > from a new generation of MS programmers that know SKIT about what the user > really wants and needs! > > > Thumbs down on this one.. and I wont mention how stupid Desktop Mail is! lol > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message > news 18F08DB-86AF-4945-8316-...> > Greetings, > > > > If you go to: > > http://get.live.com/WL/all > > > > You can uncheck what you want before running the installer. > > > > It's really slow for everyone I'm afraid. > > > > -- > > Jonathan Kay > > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > > Associate Expert > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com > > All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2007 Jonathan Kay. > > You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. > > -- > > > > > > "paulp" <> wrote in message > > news:3CC5A541-DD43-423B-B671-... > >> I attempted to install the latest Messenger beta. Clicking on the link > >> launched the Windows Live Installer. I just wanted Messenger. Please > >> don't > >> package the Windows Live Services like this. > >> > >> When I attempted to run the installer, it took 5-7 minutes to "check for > >> installed programs." When the installer started I got prompted to close > >> Internet Explorer. I did that. Then I got prompted (in a second dialog > >> box) > >> to close Outlook. I did that. Then I got prompted (in a third dialog box) > >> to > >> close 14 separate processes which included Windows Explorer, OneCare, > >> Internet Explorer (which wasn't running) something called the > >> DPPRAgntModule, > >> my HP Printer, and the Task Scheduler Engine. > >> > >> I cancelled the installation and won't try again until you unpackage the > >> products and fix the installer. > > > > > > > |
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Since I didn't actually mention it originally, I too was highly disappointed by the
Installer. The applications themselves however are very good. Live Mail is rather buggy but it does show a lot of premise; mainly just visual glitches from my use over the past week. -- Jonathan Kay Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger Associate Expert http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2007 Jonathan Kay. You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. -- "paulp" <> wrote in message news:34B65313-519D-4CDB-8D35-... > What's really scary is that the "Live" properties are supposed to be the > direction of the 'new' Microsoft headed up by Groove Networks founder Ray > Ozzie (does anyone actually use Groove?). Good sign that it's time to buy > more Google stock. > > "Bink" wrote: > >> slow, buggy, unstable, unintuative, not stand alone, hard to fix if >> something goes wrong, creepy, sneeky (it installs desktop search and a few >> other things without even asking you!) >> >> it has all the ingredients of a terror app. This is of horrible VISTA >> quality.... >> >> from a new generation of MS programmers that know SKIT about what the user >> really wants and needs! >> >> >> Thumbs down on this one.. and I wont mention how stupid Desktop Mail is! lol >> >> >> >> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message >> news 18F08DB-86AF-4945-8316-...>> > Greetings, >> > >> > If you go to: >> > http://get.live.com/WL/all >> > >> > You can uncheck what you want before running the installer. >> > >> > It's really slow for everyone I'm afraid. >> > >> > -- >> > Jonathan Kay >> > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger >> > Associate Expert >> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ >> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com >> > All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2007 Jonathan Kay. >> > You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. >> > -- >> > >> > >> > "paulp" <> wrote in message >> > news:3CC5A541-DD43-423B-B671-... >> >> I attempted to install the latest Messenger beta. Clicking on the link >> >> launched the Windows Live Installer. I just wanted Messenger. Please >> >> don't >> >> package the Windows Live Services like this. >> >> >> >> When I attempted to run the installer, it took 5-7 minutes to "check for >> >> installed programs." When the installer started I got prompted to close >> >> Internet Explorer. I did that. Then I got prompted (in a second dialog >> >> box) >> >> to close Outlook. I did that. Then I got prompted (in a third dialog box) >> >> to >> >> close 14 separate processes which included Windows Explorer, OneCare, >> >> Internet Explorer (which wasn't running) something called the >> >> DPPRAgntModule, >> >> my HP Printer, and the Task Scheduler Engine. >> >> >> >> I cancelled the installation and won't try again until you unpackage the >> >> products and fix the installer. >> > >> > >> >> >> |
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why did you guys do it in the first place, when you knew you had problems
with it? "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote: > Since I didn't actually mention it originally, I too was highly disappointed by the > Installer. > > The applications themselves however are very good. Live Mail is rather buggy but it does > show a lot of premise; mainly just visual glitches from my use over the past week. > > -- > Jonathan Kay > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > Associate Expert > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com > All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2007 Jonathan Kay. > You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. > -- > > > "paulp" <> wrote in message > news:34B65313-519D-4CDB-8D35-... > > What's really scary is that the "Live" properties are supposed to be the > > direction of the 'new' Microsoft headed up by Groove Networks founder Ray > > Ozzie (does anyone actually use Groove?). Good sign that it's time to buy > > more Google stock. > > > > "Bink" wrote: > > > >> slow, buggy, unstable, unintuative, not stand alone, hard to fix if > >> something goes wrong, creepy, sneeky (it installs desktop search and a few > >> other things without even asking you!) > >> > >> it has all the ingredients of a terror app. This is of horrible VISTA > >> quality.... > >> > >> from a new generation of MS programmers that know SKIT about what the user > >> really wants and needs! > >> > >> > >> Thumbs down on this one.. and I wont mention how stupid Desktop Mail is! lol > >> > >> > >> > >> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message > >> news 18F08DB-86AF-4945-8316-...> >> > Greetings, > >> > > >> > If you go to: > >> > http://get.live.com/WL/all > >> > > >> > You can uncheck what you want before running the installer. > >> > > >> > It's really slow for everyone I'm afraid. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Jonathan Kay > >> > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > >> > Associate Expert > >> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ > >> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com > >> > All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2007 Jonathan Kay. > >> > You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. > >> > -- > >> > > >> > > >> > "paulp" <> wrote in message > >> > news:3CC5A541-DD43-423B-B671-... > >> >> I attempted to install the latest Messenger beta. Clicking on the link > >> >> launched the Windows Live Installer. I just wanted Messenger. Please > >> >> don't > >> >> package the Windows Live Services like this. > >> >> > >> >> When I attempted to run the installer, it took 5-7 minutes to "check for > >> >> installed programs." When the installer started I got prompted to close > >> >> Internet Explorer. I did that. Then I got prompted (in a second dialog > >> >> box) > >> >> to close Outlook. I did that. Then I got prompted (in a third dialog box) > >> >> to > >> >> close 14 separate processes which included Windows Explorer, OneCare, > >> >> Internet Explorer (which wasn't running) something called the > >> >> DPPRAgntModule, > >> >> my HP Printer, and the Task Scheduler Engine. > >> >> > >> >> I cancelled the installation and won't try again until you unpackage the > >> >> products and fix the installer. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > |
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Jonathan doesn't work for Microsoft, so asking him why they 'did it in the
first place' might be a tad mis-directed. -- Jason Tsang - Microsoft MVP Read my blog for the latest in Media Center topics (and other topics that interest me) http://jtsang.blogspot.com More information by me http://jtsang.mvps.org http://www.classicsunveiled.com Find out about the MS MVP Program - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx ".Chris" <> wrote in message news:5D105CC1-115E-48C2-B231-... > why did you guys do it in the first place, when you knew you had problems > with it? > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote: > >> Since I didn't actually mention it originally, I too was highly >> disappointed by the >> Installer. >> >> The applications themselves however are very good. Live Mail is rather >> buggy but it does >> show a lot of premise; mainly just visual glitches from my use over the >> past week. >> >> -- >> Jonathan Kay >> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger >> Associate Expert >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ >> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com >> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2007 Jonathan Kay. >> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. >> -- >> >> >> "paulp" <> wrote in message >> news:34B65313-519D-4CDB-8D35-... >> > What's really scary is that the "Live" properties are supposed to be >> > the >> > direction of the 'new' Microsoft headed up by Groove Networks founder >> > Ray >> > Ozzie (does anyone actually use Groove?). Good sign that it's time to >> > buy >> > more Google stock. >> > >> > "Bink" wrote: >> > >> >> slow, buggy, unstable, unintuative, not stand alone, hard to fix if >> >> something goes wrong, creepy, sneeky (it installs desktop search and a >> >> few >> >> other things without even asking you!) >> >> >> >> it has all the ingredients of a terror app. This is of horrible VISTA >> >> quality.... >> >> >> >> from a new generation of MS programmers that know SKIT about what the >> >> user >> >> really wants and needs! >> >> >> >> >> >> Thumbs down on this one.. and I wont mention how stupid Desktop Mail >> >> is! lol >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message >> >> news 18F08DB-86AF-4945-8316-...>> >> > Greetings, >> >> > >> >> > If you go to: >> >> > http://get.live.com/WL/all >> >> > >> >> > You can uncheck what you want before running the installer. >> >> > >> >> > It's really slow for everyone I'm afraid. >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Jonathan Kay >> >> > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows >> >> > Messenger >> >> > Associate Expert >> >> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ >> >> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com >> >> > All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2007 Jonathan Kay. >> >> > You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "paulp" <> wrote in message >> >> > news:3CC5A541-DD43-423B-B671-... >> >> >> I attempted to install the latest Messenger beta. Clicking on the >> >> >> link >> >> >> launched the Windows Live Installer. I just wanted Messenger. >> >> >> Please >> >> >> don't >> >> >> package the Windows Live Services like this. >> >> >> >> >> >> When I attempted to run the installer, it took 5-7 minutes to >> >> >> "check for >> >> >> installed programs." When the installer started I got prompted to >> >> >> close >> >> >> Internet Explorer. I did that. Then I got prompted (in a second >> >> >> dialog >> >> >> box) >> >> >> to close Outlook. I did that. Then I got prompted (in a third >> >> >> dialog box) >> >> >> to >> >> >> close 14 separate processes which included Windows Explorer, >> >> >> OneCare, >> >> >> Internet Explorer (which wasn't running) something called the >> >> >> DPPRAgntModule, >> >> >> my HP Printer, and the Task Scheduler Engine. >> >> >> >> >> >> I cancelled the installation and won't try again until you >> >> >> unpackage the >> >> >> products and fix the installer. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> |
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I take back what I said about Google. I just had to uninstall Google Desktop
on Vista Ultimate. It had a memory leak that was eating up a half a gig of RAM each day. Then the Outlook search addin was crashing Outlook 2007. While the feature set and implementation of Google Desktop is superior, I'm back to the less-than-adequate Windows Search and sidebar. Windows Search is buggy but not eating memory. Since this is a forum for Windows Live, I should bring it back around. Regarding the bundling issue, Google also bundles. Their Desktop package includes a sidebar, search etc. You have to select the things you don't want installed. Apple is doing it too with iTunes and QuickTime. I understand bundling. I guess my issue is that the types of things Windows Live is bundling things that don't go together. IM and Email are in different domains and should be delivered separately. Apple bundling iTunes with Quicktime is completely wrong too partly because they're two completely different things. I don't need iTunes to use QuickTime. Perhaps bundling LiveWriter with email makes sense or search with both email and IM makes sense. But putting mail and IM together seems inappropriate. That's the issue. "paulp" wrote: > What's really scary is that the "Live" properties are supposed to be the > direction of the 'new' Microsoft headed up by Groove Networks founder Ray > Ozzie (does anyone actually use Groove?). Good sign that it's time to buy > more Google stock. > > "Bink" wrote: > > > slow, buggy, unstable, unintuative, not stand alone, hard to fix if > > something goes wrong, creepy, sneeky (it installs desktop search and a few > > other things without even asking you!) > > > > it has all the ingredients of a terror app. This is of horrible VISTA > > quality.... > > > > from a new generation of MS programmers that know SKIT about what the user > > really wants and needs! > > > > > > Thumbs down on this one.. and I wont mention how stupid Desktop Mail is! lol > > > > > > > > "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message > > news 18F08DB-86AF-4945-8316-...> > > Greetings, > > > > > > If you go to: > > > http://get.live.com/WL/all > > > > > > You can uncheck what you want before running the installer. > > > > > > It's really slow for everyone I'm afraid. > > > > > > -- > > > Jonathan Kay > > > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger > > > Associate Expert > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/ > > > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com > > > All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2007 Jonathan Kay. > > > You *must* contact me for redistribution rights. > > > -- > > > > > > > > > "paulp" <> wrote in message > > > news:3CC5A541-DD43-423B-B671-... > > >> I attempted to install the latest Messenger beta. Clicking on the link > > >> launched the Windows Live Installer. I just wanted Messenger. Please > > >> don't > > >> package the Windows Live Services like this. > > >> > > >> When I attempted to run the installer, it took 5-7 minutes to "check for > > >> installed programs." When the installer started I got prompted to close > > >> Internet Explorer. I did that. Then I got prompted (in a second dialog > > >> box) > > >> to close Outlook. I did that. Then I got prompted (in a third dialog box) > > >> to > > >> close 14 separate processes which included Windows Explorer, OneCare, > > >> Internet Explorer (which wasn't running) something called the > > >> DPPRAgntModule, > > >> my HP Printer, and the Task Scheduler Engine. > > >> > > >> I cancelled the installation and won't try again until you unpackage the > > >> products and fix the installer. > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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