Windows MCE DOES do QAM

Hi CSM1-

If MCE includes the TV Pack, then it does see/tune unencrypted QAM channels. I have a cable running straight into my tuner card from the wall (no box) and it tunes the unencrypted HD digital channels (up to 100) with no problem. In fact, I don't even have it set up to tune the analog cable channels. With my tuner card (Hauppauge 1600), ATSC signals go into one coax connection, QAM goes into another coax connection. I've set up MCE because my ReplayTV DVR only has an analog tuner, and I'd like to record/time-shift in HD. This is all working fine with channels up to 80 or 90, but my tuner won't see the 3-digit channels that my TV's unencrypted QAM tuner sees. Even if I try to add the channels manually, MCE tells me that there's no signal.
To be clear: if I run setup on my TV, with nothing more than a cable from the wall for an input, it will see roughly 100 channels, including some that are audio only. If I run setup on MCE, it only sees 33 channels, and nothing that's 3 digits. Any ideas?



CSM1 wrote:

The reason is that on the Cable all the channels above 100 are QAM encoded,
28-Jan-09

The reason is that on the Cable all the channels above 100 are QAM encoded,
Media Center does not do QAM

You must have a Cable box to decode the channels above 100
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Previous Posts In This Thread:

On Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:41 PM
Ver wrote:

Cannot record TV (Cable) channel over 100
MCE will not allow to record through the TV guide or manually comcast digita
cable over 100 or so. Could you please help

Thanks a lot

On Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:46 PM
BillDavi wrote:

Does the MCE TV guide show channel listings above 100?
Does the MCE TV guide show channel listings above 100? If not then you wil
need to select the guide for Comcast Digital Cable

B.D

"Vero" wrote:

On Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:47 PM
Curious wrote:

That is most likely because all of them are encrypted and also because all
That is most likely because all of them are encrypted and also because all
cable digital channels use QAM transmission protocol which MC does not
support
Are you able to receive their analog channels (2-67)

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On Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:49 AM
Barb Bowman wrote:

please confirm you are using a set top box connected to the computerand advise
please confirm you are using a set top box connected to the compute
and advise what tuner is in the computer

On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:41:01 -0800, Ver
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On Monday, January 26, 2009 11:22 PM
Ver wrote:

RE: Cannot record TV (Cable) channel over 100
Yes it does,

"Bill Davis" wrote:

On Monday, January 26, 2009 11:24 PM
Ver wrote:

Re: Cannot record TV (Cable) channel over 100
We only have Comcast digital cable

"Curious" wrote:

On Monday, January 26, 2009 11:26 PM
Ver wrote:

Yes I am using a set top box, Comcast cable, the cable is split between the TV
Yes I am using a set top box, Comcast cable, the cable is split between th
TV and the PC. How can I find about the Tuner on the PC? this is a HP P
running Vista

"Barb Bowman" wrote:

On Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:12 AM
Barb Bowman wrote:

when you say the cable is split between the tv and the PC, do youmean coming
when you say the cable is split between the tv and the PC, do yo
mean coming out of the set top box? cable comes out of STB t
splitter, then one coax to computer and one to pc? that isn't
supported configuration

please try a single cable from the set top box to the computer
removing the splitter. that is what we need to trouble shoo
further

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:26:08 -0800, Ver
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On Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:30 AM
Curious wrote:

You have cable there is no filter in the street that is filtering out analog
You have cable there is no filter in the street that is filtering out analog
signal. Both analog and digital signals are on the wire coming from your
wall connection. It is the tuner in use that determines if you can receive
any digital programs.
Are you receiving any programs on channels 2-67?
Do you have any other TVs in your home directly connected to the cable? If
yes are they receiving any programs with their analog tuners on channels
2-67?

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On Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:58 PM
Jaime wrote:

If you split the cable before the box, then you are only receiving the analog
If you split the cable before the box, then you are only receiving the
analog on your PC tuner (the ones below 100). The cable box is decoding the
rest of the channels.

If that is the case, you need to connect the output of the cable box to the
tuner (via s-video for example), then use an IR Emitter (blaster/bug) to
allow the PC to change the channels on the cable box.
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On Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:39 PM
Ver wrote:

No the cable coming out of the wall is split between the set top box and the
No the cable coming out of the wall is split between the set top box and the
PC.

"Barb Bowman" wrote:

On Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:48 AM
Barb Bowman wrote:

out of the wall, you won't get the higher channels.
out of the wall, you won't get the higher channels. this is just the
way things are. you need another set top box to get those channels.

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:39:02 -0800, Vero
<> wrote:

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Barb Bowman
MS-MVP
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http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com

On Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:23 PM
Ver wrote:

May I ask why this limitation?
May I ask why this limitation? An additional set top box dedicated to the PC
, just to be able to record all channels is quite expensive. What is the
technical reason of this limitation ?

Thanks

"Barb Bowman" wrote:

On Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:37 PM
Barb Bowman wrote:

if you connected a second TV to coax without a STB, as opposed tothe computer,
if you connected a second TV to coax without a STB, as opposed to
the computer, you'd have the same problem. it isn't MCE.

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:23:02 -0800, Vero
<> wrote:

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http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com

On Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:04 PM
CSM1 wrote:

The reason is that on the Cable all the channels above 100 are QAM encoded,
The reason is that on the Cable all the channels above 100 are QAM encoded,
Media Center does not do QAM.

You must have a Cable box to decode the channels above 100.
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One of the coax connector inputs on your 1600 card is for analog SD NTSC TV
or analog video capture using S-video. The other input connector is for
either OTA ATSC digital or for clear QAM cable digital. You can not use the
tuner concurrently for OTA ATSC digital and cable QAM digital. You are
seeing 2 digit analog channels which can go from 2-100, Since you are
seeing no SD or HD QAM digital channels since they will all have a
sub-channel identifier such as 2-1, 7-1, 7-2. It sounds like you have cable
connected to the analog tuner and your antenna connected to the digital
tuner.
Windows 7 MC supports QAM digital with full MS support so you are better
of with it then with an supported copy of TV-pack

"Shane Burnett" wrote in message
news:...
> Hi CSM1-
>
> If MCE includes the TV Pack, then it does see/tune unencrypted QAM
> channels. I have a cable running straight into my tuner card from the wall
> (no box) and it tunes the unencrypted HD digital channels (up to 100) with
> no problem. In fact, I don't even have it set up to tune the analog cable
> channels. With my tuner card (Hauppauge 1600), ATSC signals go into one
> coax connection, QAM goes into another coax connection. I've set up MCE
> because my ReplayTV DVR only has an analog tuner, and I'd like to
> record/time-shift in HD. This is all working fine with channels up to 80
> or 90, but my tuner won't see the 3-digit channels that my TV's
> unencrypted QAM tuner sees. Even if I try to add the channels manually,
> MCE tells me that there's no signal.
> To be clear: if I run setup on my TV, with nothing more than a cable from
> the wall for an input, it will see roughly 100 channels, including some
> that are audio only. If I run setup on MCE, it only sees 33 channels, and
> nothing that's 3 digits. Any ideas?
>
>
>
> CSM1 wrote:
>
> The reason is that on the Cable all the channels above 100 are QAM
> encoded,
> 28-Jan-09
>
> The reason is that on the Cable all the channels above 100 are QAM
> encoded,
> Media Center does not do QAM.
>
> You must have a Cable box to decode the channels above 100.
> --
> CSM1
> http://www.carlmcmillan.com
> --
> "Vero" <> wrote in message
> news:EB8E8634-F608-4A3B-A445-...
>
> Previous Posts In This Thread:
>
> On Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:41 PM
> Ver wrote:
>
> Cannot record TV (Cable) channel over 100
> MCE will not allow to record through the TV guide or manually comcast
> digital
> cable over 100 or so. Could you please help?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> On Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:46 PM
> BillDavi wrote:
>
> Does the MCE TV guide show channel listings above 100?
> Does the MCE TV guide show channel listings above 100? If not then you
> will
> need to select the guide for Comcast Digital Cable.
>
> B.D.
>
> "Vero" wrote:
>
> On Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:47 PM
> Curious wrote:
>
> That is most likely because all of them are encrypted and also because all
> That is most likely because all of them are encrypted and also because all
> cable digital channels use QAM transmission protocol which MC does not
> support.
> Are you able to receive their analog channels (2-67)?
>
> "Vero" <> wrote in message
> news:1C1CB614-9BFA-44B2-A88E-...
>
> On Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:49 AM
> Barb Bowman wrote:
>
> please confirm you are using a set top box connected to the computerand
> advise
> please confirm you are using a set top box connected to the computer
> and advise what tuner is in the computer.
>
> On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:41:01 -0800, Vero
> <> wrote:
>
> --
>
> Barb Bowman
> MS-MVP
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
>
> On Monday, January 26, 2009 11:22 PM
> Ver wrote:
>
> RE: Cannot record TV (Cable) channel over 100
> Yes it does,.
>
> "Bill Davis" wrote:
>
> On Monday, January 26, 2009 11:24 PM
> Ver wrote:
>
> Re: Cannot record TV (Cable) channel over 100
> We only have Comcast digital cable.
>
> "Curious" wrote:
>
> On Monday, January 26, 2009 11:26 PM
> Ver wrote:
>
> Yes I am using a set top box, Comcast cable, the cable is split between
> the TV
> Yes I am using a set top box, Comcast cable, the cable is split between
> the
> TV and the PC. How can I find about the Tuner on the PC? this is a HP PC
> running Vista.
>
> "Barb Bowman" wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:12 AM
> Barb Bowman wrote:
>
> when you say the cable is split between the tv and the PC, do youmean
> coming
> when you say the cable is split between the tv and the PC, do you
> mean coming out of the set top box? cable comes out of STB to
> splitter, then one coax to computer and one to pc? that isn't a
> supported configuration.
>
> please try a single cable from the set top box to the computer,
> removing the splitter. that is what we need to trouble shoot
> further.
>
> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:26:08 -0800, Vero
> <> wrote:
>
> --
>
> Barb Bowman
> MS-MVP
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
>
> On Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:30 AM
> Curious wrote:
>
> You have cable there is no filter in the street that is filtering out
> analog
> You have cable there is no filter in the street that is filtering out
> analog
> signal. Both analog and digital signals are on the wire coming from your
> wall connection. It is the tuner in use that determines if you can
> receive
> any digital programs.
> Are you receiving any programs on channels 2-67?
> Do you have any other TVs in your home directly connected to the cable? If
> yes are they receiving any programs with their analog tuners on channels
> 2-67?
>
> "Vero" <> wrote in message
> news:89D98A55-92BE-4F94-B084-...
>
> On Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:58 PM
> Jaime wrote:
>
> If you split the cable before the box, then you are only receiving the
> analog
> If you split the cable before the box, then you are only receiving the
> analog on your PC tuner (the ones below 100). The cable box is decoding
> the
> rest of the channels.
>
> If that is the case, you need to connect the output of the cable box to
> the
> tuner (via s-video for example), then use an IR Emitter (blaster/bug) to
> allow the PC to change the channels on the cable box.
> --
> James
> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida
>
> "Vero" <> wrote in message
> news:A5113025-A9BC-4764-9E84-...
>
> On Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:39 PM
> Ver wrote:
>
> No the cable coming out of the wall is split between the set top box and
> the
> No the cable coming out of the wall is split between the set top box and
> the
> PC.
>
> "Barb Bowman" wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:48 AM
> Barb Bowman wrote:
>
> out of the wall, you won't get the higher channels.
> out of the wall, you won't get the higher channels. this is just the
> way things are. you need another set top box to get those channels.
>
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:39:02 -0800, Vero
> <> wrote:
>
> --
>
> Barb Bowman
> MS-MVP
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
>
> On Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:23 PM
> Ver wrote:
>
> May I ask why this limitation?
> May I ask why this limitation? An additional set top box dedicated to the
> PC
> , just to be able to record all channels is quite expensive. What is the
> technical reason of this limitation ?
>
> Thanks
>
> "Barb Bowman" wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:37 PM
> Barb Bowman wrote:
>
> if you connected a second TV to coax without a STB, as opposed tothe
> computer,
> if you connected a second TV to coax without a STB, as opposed to
> the computer, you'd have the same problem. it isn't MCE.
>
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:23:02 -0800, Vero
> <> wrote:
>
> --
>
> Barb Bowman
> MS-MVP
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com
>
> On Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:04 PM
> CSM1 wrote:
>
> The reason is that on the Cable all the channels above 100 are QAM
> encoded,
> The reason is that on the Cable all the channels above 100 are QAM
> encoded,
> Media Center does not do QAM.
>
> You must have a Cable box to decode the channels above 100.
> --
> CSM1
> http://www.carlmcmillan.com
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