Windows update getting lazy

Just today I found there was an update to Silverlight via accidently
stumbling accross it on the microsoft.com website. Was nothing on Windows
Update!
Also noticed last time Windows Live Messenger had a big version upgrade it
wasn't on WU. Had to find out about it by chance and update this manually.

How many other programs are not on WU? How many people are using old out of
date software because windows update has not detected it or hasn't notified
them of a new version?

Getting lazy? Windows Update supporting Beta software? Working with
Microsoft Connect? Covering all Microsoft and partner software properly?

I am running Windows Vista Home Premium SP1.

How many people out there are running old out of date soffware? WU seems
alright at distributing updates and fixes but not new versions of software.

goorambatman wrote:
> Just today I found there was an update to Silverlight via accidently
> stumbling accross it on the microsoft.com website. Was nothing on
> Windows Update!
> Also noticed last time Windows Live Messenger had a big version
> upgrade it wasn't on WU. Had to find out about it by chance and
> update this manually.

Optional Software Updates - you have to do a CUSTOM search/scan for updates
and choose "Optional Software Updates" from the left side menu at
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ - and that is only if you have updated
to Microsoft Updates vs. Windows Updates.

> How many other programs are not on WU? How many people are using
> old out of date software because windows update has not detected it
> or hasn't notified them of a new version?

People who don't check manually and/or have not moved to Microsoft Updates
as opposed to Windows Updates. Although - most of those people likely do
not have any software they would need to update anyway. You chose to
install the extras - so you should expect to have to maintain them a bit...
;-)

> Getting lazy? Windows Update supporting Beta software? Working
> with Microsoft Connect? Covering all Microsoft and partner
> software properly?

Wha?

> I am running Windows Vista Home Premium SP1.
>
> How many people out there are running old out of date soffware? WU
> seems alright at distributing updates and fixes but not new
> versions of software.

A little repetative, eh? heh

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Is your default update source Windows Update or Microsoft Update? See
"Switching from Windows Update to Microsoft Update" section of
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...dowsvista.mspx

Windows Update Tutorial (does not cover the above)
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tuto...0.html#updates
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goorambatman wrote:
> Just today I found there was an update to Silverlight via accidently
> stumbling accross it on the microsoft.com website. Was nothing on Windows
> Update!
> Also noticed last time Windows Live Messenger had a big version upgrade it
> wasn't on WU. Had to find out about it by chance and update this
> manually.
>
> How many other programs are not on WU? How many people are using old out
> of
> date software because windows update has not detected it or hasn't
> notified
> them of a new version?
>
> Getting lazy? Windows Update supporting Beta software? Working with
> Microsoft Connect? Covering all Microsoft and partner software properly?
>
> I am running Windows Vista Home Premium SP1.
>
> How many people out there are running old out of date soffware? WU seems
> alright at distributing updates and fixes but not new versions of
> software.

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

> Optional Software Updates - you have to do a CUSTOM search/scan for updates
> and choose "Optional Software Updates" from the left side menu at
> http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ - and that is only if you have updated
> to Microsoft Updates vs. Windows Updates.

Didn't come up in the optional updates when I did it manually. Same as when
I was using an old version of WLM a while back... Had to do it all manually
after getting curious and checking...

Hmmmm

Yes, it is set to recieve updates from Microsoft Update.

The odd error where it doesn't detect that I'm using an old version?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Is your default update source Windows Update or Microsoft Update? See
> "Switching from Windows Update to Microsoft Update" section of
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...dowsvista.mspx
>
> Windows Update Tutorial (does not cover the above)
> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tuto...0.html#updates
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
>
> goorambatman wrote:
> > Just today I found there was an update to Silverlight via accidently
> > stumbling accross it on the microsoft.com website. Was nothing on Windows
> > Update!
> > Also noticed last time Windows Live Messenger had a big version upgrade it
> > wasn't on WU. Had to find out about it by chance and update this
> > manually.
> >
> > How many other programs are not on WU? How many people are using old out
> > of
> > date software because windows update has not detected it or hasn't
> > notified
> > them of a new version?
> >
> > Getting lazy? Windows Update supporting Beta software? Working with
> > Microsoft Connect? Covering all Microsoft and partner software properly?
> >
> > I am running Windows Vista Home Premium SP1.
> >
> > How many people out there are running old out of date soffware? WU seems
> > alright at distributing updates and fixes but not new versions of
> > software.
>
>

Was Vista SP1 installed on your machine when you bought it, did you install
SP1 via Windows Update, or did you install SP1 manually?

Did you opt to be offered beta updates?

If you're currently running Silverlight v1.0, I'd stick with it IIWY.

And I would not rely on MU for Windows Live updates. If a newer version of
a Windows Live app is available, uninstall your current version then install
the new one manually.


goorambatman wrote:
> Yes, it is set to recieve updates from Microsoft Update.
>
> The odd error where it doesn't detect that I'm using an old version?
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>> Is your default update source Windows Update or Microsoft Update? See
>> "Switching from Windows Update to Microsoft Update" section of
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...dowsvista.mspx
>>
>> Windows Update Tutorial (does not cover the above)
>> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tuto...0.html#updates
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>
>>
>> goorambatman wrote:
>>> Just today I found there was an update to Silverlight via accidently
>>> stumbling accross it on the microsoft.com website. Was nothing on
>>> Windows
>>> Update!
>>> Also noticed last time Windows Live Messenger had a big version upgrade
>>> it
>>> wasn't on WU. Had to find out about it by chance and update this
>>> manually.
>>>
>>> How many other programs are not on WU? How many people are using old
>>> out
>>> of
>>> date software because windows update has not detected it or hasn't
>>> notified
>>> them of a new version?
>>>
>>> Getting lazy? Windows Update supporting Beta software? Working with
>>> Microsoft Connect? Covering all Microsoft and partner software
>>> properly?
>>>
>>> I am running Windows Vista Home Premium SP1.
>>>
>>> How many people out there are running old out of date soffware? WU
>>> seems
>>> alright at distributing updates and fixes but not new versions of
>>> software.

I did a clean install of windows vista then immediatly ran the stand-alone
package of SP1.

Not sure why some microsoft products aren't updated via WU. Perhaps WU is
not detecting their versions or perhaps doesn't bother about minor version
upgrades.

I don't know what WU looks at and has in its database.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Was Vista SP1 installed on your machine when you bought it, did you install
> SP1 via Windows Update, or did you install SP1 manually?
>
> Did you opt to be offered beta updates?
>
> If you're currently running Silverlight v1.0, I'd stick with it IIWY.
>
> And I would not rely on MU for Windows Live updates. If a newer version of
> a Windows Live app is available, uninstall your current version then install
> the new one manually.
>
>
> goorambatman wrote:
> > Yes, it is set to recieve updates from Microsoft Update.
> >
> > The odd error where it doesn't detect that I'm using an old version?
> >
> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >> Is your default update source Windows Update or Microsoft Update? See
> >> "Switching from Windows Update to Microsoft Update" section of
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...dowsvista.mspx
> >>
> >> Windows Update Tutorial (does not cover the above)
> >> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tuto...0.html#updates
> >> --
> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> >>
> >>
> >> goorambatman wrote:
> >>> Just today I found there was an update to Silverlight via accidently
> >>> stumbling accross it on the microsoft.com website. Was nothing on
> >>> Windows
> >>> Update!
> >>> Also noticed last time Windows Live Messenger had a big version upgrade
> >>> it
> >>> wasn't on WU. Had to find out about it by chance and update this
> >>> manually.
> >>>
> >>> How many other programs are not on WU? How many people are using old
> >>> out
> >>> of
> >>> date software because windows update has not detected it or hasn't
> >>> notified
> >>> them of a new version?
> >>>
> >>> Getting lazy? Windows Update supporting Beta software? Working with
> >>> Microsoft Connect? Covering all Microsoft and partner software
> >>> properly?
> >>>
> >>> I am running Windows Vista Home Premium SP1.
> >>>
> >>> How many people out there are running old out of date soffware? WU
> >>> seems
> >>> alright at distributing updates and fixes but not new versions of
> >>> software.
>
>

I would not recommend installing SP1 manually unless and until it's offered
by Windows Update.

I have two suggestions:

1. Uninstall SP1 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/948537) & reboot twice,
then don't install SP1 again unless and until it's offered by Windows
Update; or...

2. Start a free support incident:

Unlimited installation and compatibility support for Vista SP1 is available
at no charge through 18 Mar-09
• US:
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/def...4&gprid=500921

• CA:
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/def...4&gprid=500921

• UK:
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/def...4&gprid=500921

• AU:
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/def...4&gprid=500921

• Other: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx | select Windows
Vista | select Windows Vista Service Pack 1
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goorambatman wrote:
> I did a clean install of windows vista then immediatly ran the stand-alone
> package of SP1.
>
> Not sure why some microsoft products aren't updated via WU. Perhaps WU is
> not detecting their versions or perhaps doesn't bother about minor version
> upgrades.
>
> I don't know what WU looks at and has in its database.
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>> Was Vista SP1 installed on your machine when you bought it, did you
>> install
>> SP1 via Windows Update, or did you install SP1 manually?
>>
>> Did you opt to be offered beta updates?
>>
>> If you're currently running Silverlight v1.0, I'd stick with it IIWY.
>>
>> And I would not rely on MU for Windows Live updates. If a newer version
>> of
>> a Windows Live app is available, uninstall your current version then
>> install the new one manually.
>>
>>
>> goorambatman wrote:
>>> Yes, it is set to recieve updates from Microsoft Update.
>>>
>>> The odd error where it doesn't detect that I'm using an old version?
>>>
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>>> Is your default update source Windows Update or Microsoft Update? See
>>>> "Switching from Windows Update to Microsoft Update" section of
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/dow...dowsvista.mspx
>>>>
>>>> Windows Update Tutorial (does not cover the above)
>>>> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tuto...0.html#updates
>>>> --
>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> goorambatman wrote:
>>>>> Just today I found there was an update to Silverlight via accidently
>>>>> stumbling accross it on the microsoft.com website. Was nothing on
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> Update!
>>>>> Also noticed last time Windows Live Messenger had a big version
>>>>> upgrade
>>>>> it
>>>>> wasn't on WU. Had to find out about it by chance and update this
>>>>> manually.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many other programs are not on WU? How many people are using old
>>>>> out
>>>>> of
>>>>> date software because windows update has not detected it or hasn't
>>>>> notified
>>>>> them of a new version?
>>>>>
>>>>> Getting lazy? Windows Update supporting Beta software? Working with
>>>>> Microsoft Connect? Covering all Microsoft and partner software
>>>>> properly?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am running Windows Vista Home Premium SP1.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many people out there are running old out of date soffware? WU
>>>>> seems
>>>>> alright at distributing updates and fixes but not new versions of
>>>>> software.