Windows Update website - KB953297 does not install - running XP SP

tommycn wrote:
> all this stuff is crazy. microsoft should fix the patch or
> discontinue it

The many more people who have not had any issue installing the patches in
this thread... I'm sure their systems are just broken in a different way
than those who have had issues. ;-)

It's not the patches - it's the systems in 99% of the cases. Not saying
that Microsoft has not released some bum patches in their day (they
have/do - most seem to center around hardware (thus my suggestion to not get
hardware patches from Microsoft for non-Microsoft hardware)) but when a
patch (or set of patches) does not present trouble on all systems and the
percentage of issues is relatively small - it is logical to perceive that
the trouble is not with the patch, but with some unique attribute (set of
circumstances) on the machines in questions.

Case in point - SP3. When installed on some HP factory installed systems
with AMD processors, bad things happened. Turns out that SP3 didn't have
problems with AMD processors or HP computers or the particular users that
chose to purchase said combination (whether or not they dutifully kept their
systems well maintained or not) - but with the original image applied to
the system by HP being based off their same systems with Intel based
processors (thus not including some things SP3 patched for when it detected
AMD processors.)

This may/may not turn out to be the same case - but so far I have not
witnessed this issue firsthand - and that is several thousand computers of
varying configurations and ages and the likes. Doesn't mean I won't,
doesn't mean much more than I am lucky not to have whatever combination of
circumstances in any of these machines that causes the issues with these
patches. However - it does mean that the problem is not universal. Pulling
the patch because something is wrong with some people's systems - doesn't
seem to be the right move. ;-)

--
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MS-MVP
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How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

"GMichaels" wrote:
> Hello Anna, I'm not an MSVP but have over 20 years working with and
> solving Microsoft's problems without their help. I saw this answer on
> another forum and the solution is so simple that it's ridiculous. The
> problem that many people are having with KB953297 is that it is looking
> for a file "NETFX.MSI." Perhaps the file was deleted in a previous
> update for .NET 1.1; I searched my computer and found nothing. So I
> downloaded the DOTNETFX.EXE redistributable package from Microsoft's
> download site, and used a program such as WINRAR to extract two files
> from the CAB (executable cabinet self-extracting file): NETFX.MSI and
> NETFX1.CAB. If you haven't manually downloaded the KB953297, then do
> that and place these files all in the same folder. The KB file name
> should be NDP1.1sp1-KB953297-X86.exe. Start this program, then when you
> get the error message, click "browse" and change the folder name to
> where the NETFX* files are located. The installation update will
> successfully complete, and you will no longer have to deal with it! I
> don't understand why Microsoft just doesn't check for these files, and
> if they don't exist, ask the user if they would like to download them
> (or if automatic update, just download the required files without user
> intervention!) Good luck.
>
> Gary Michaels,
> Expedient Solutions LLC
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Sorry for the late response, GMichaels. I have been out of town attending
to family matters.

I read your supportive reply and then I read WYoung's. With what appeared
to be less effort, I tried WYoung's first. In short, it worked.

Thank you for your reply and support - it truly helped to resolve my problem.

With kindest regards,

Anna )

"WYoung" wrote:

> The way I got the update to work is open a command prompt and change the
> directory to where NDP1.1sp1-KB953297-X86.exe is saved.
>
> For example, if the file is saved at the root c:\ you would execute the
> following command
>
> C:\>NDP1.1sp1-KB953297-X86.exe /? which will give you the command line
> options for the update.
>
> You can either run the following command:
> C:\>NDP1.1sp1-KB953297-X86.exe /extract
>
> Then you will be asked to specify a target directory. Choose a directory
> and a file named NDP1.1sp1-KB953297-X86.msp will be extracted.
>
> Run this file and you'll be fine.
>
> You can also specify the target directory in the command line, ex:
>
> C:\>NDP1.1sp1-KB953297-X86.exe /extract c:\
>
> Hope this helps!

Sorry for the late response, WYoung. I have been out of town attending to
family matters.

It WORKED - - just as you described - - IT WORKED PERFECTLY!!

Thank you for your reply and support - it resolved my problem in less than 2
minutes.

With kindest regards,

Anna )

I'm also having no luck with the update. MS, help!!!!! We need a fix! My
computer is continually trying to install it to no avail and it's driving me
nuts!

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

> tommycn wrote:
> > all this stuff is crazy. microsoft should fix the patch or
> > discontinue it
>
> The many more people who have not had any issue installing the patches in
> this thread... I'm sure their systems are just broken in a different way
> than those who have had issues. ;-)
>
> It's not the patches - it's the systems in 99% of the cases. Not saying
> that Microsoft has not released some bum patches in their day (they
> have/do - most seem to center around hardware (thus my suggestion to not get
> hardware patches from Microsoft for non-Microsoft hardware)) but when a
> patch (or set of patches) does not present trouble on all systems and the
> percentage of issues is relatively small - it is logical to perceive that
> the trouble is not with the patch, but with some unique attribute (set of
> circumstances) on the machines in questions.
>
> Case in point - SP3. When installed on some HP factory installed systems
> with AMD processors, bad things happened. Turns out that SP3 didn't have
> problems with AMD processors or HP computers or the particular users that
> chose to purchase said combination (whether or not they dutifully kept their
> systems well maintained or not) - but with the original image applied to
> the system by HP being based off their same systems with Intel based
> processors (thus not including some things SP3 patched for when it detected
> AMD processors.)
>
> This may/may not turn out to be the same case - but so far I have not
> witnessed this issue firsthand - and that is several thousand computers of
> varying configurations and ages and the likes. Doesn't mean I won't,
> doesn't mean much more than I am lucky not to have whatever combination of
> circumstances in any of these machines that causes the issues with these
> patches. However - it does mean that the problem is not universal. Pulling
> the patch because something is wrong with some people's systems - doesn't
> seem to be the right move. ;-)
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>
> .
>

West Coast Guy wrote:
> I'm also having no luck with the update. MS, help!!!!! We need a
> fix! My computer is continually trying to install it to no avail
> and it's driving me nuts!

By 'luck' - does that mean you just keep trying to install it over and over
hoping what ever is wrong with your system is fixed without anything being
done from the last time? *smile*

1. Download the .NET Cleanup Utility from the following link:
http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/attachment/8904493.ashx

2. Using the .NET Cleanup Utility, uninstall .NET Framework 1.0, 1.1, 2.0,
3.0 and 3.5. (You'll have to unzip it, run it, etc.)

3. Restart the computer

4. Download (save) the following components:
.. .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 (this will also install .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 and
3.0 SP2)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...9-81DA479AB0D7
.. .NET Framework 1.1
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...7-034d1e7cf3a3
.. .NET Framework 1.1 SP1
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...B-A83353618B38

5. Install the downloaded updates in this order (the order is very
important):
.. .NET Framework 3.5 SP1
.. .NET Framework 1.1
.. .NET Framework 1.1 SP1

6. Restart the computer

7. Go to Windows Update then choose CUSTOM update
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/

8. Under Optional Software Update, check if other versions of .Net Framework
are being offered
.. IF No: You are DONE!
.. IF Yes: See Below...

If Windows Update is offering .NET Framework and other update(s), install
the other update(s) before dealing with .NET Framework updates. Reboot
after installing the other updates and before re-checking for the .NET
updates. You do not *need* Internet Explorer 8, Windows Live or Office Live
updates. Everything else - excluding any and all hardware updates - fair
game. (I did say *need* - so that doesn't mean you should not install those
things - just that IMO, most people don't *need* them.)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

(these two might be reversed)
I used the Cleanup Tool to un-install Framework 1.0, and Add/Remove to un-install 1.1 Hotfix

This MS link led me to the second link (keywords, won't let me post links)

Article ID: 824643 - Last Review: January 14, 2008 - Revision: 3.4, How to troubleshoot Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 installation issues in Windows XP or in Windows 2000

Aaron Stebner's WebLog, More detailed steps to fix .NET Framework install errors that ask for tmpXXXX.tmp

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Windows Update later wants to re-install Framework 1.0 . . .
so I put Framework 1.0 in my Hidden Updates
Framework 3.5, and before, can do the job

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Summary from:

Whirlpool . . . » Forums » Windows » Do I need Microsoft .NET Framework ?

1.1 is stand alone. You have to install it by itself.
3.5 uses parts of 2.0, it extends it
3.5 will update 2.0 when you install it

The version of Framework you need is usually installed, when you install an application that needs it.
The application might tell you what it needs.

On this page, I read about Toggle Flash: Beware 'frighteningly bad' Flash flaw, say researchers: [LINK - unable to provide the links]

I installed Toggle Flash, and received this error:
togflash.exe - Application Error, The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000135)
Click on OK to terminate the application

I read that this error is due to a problem with Framework!

RealtyWare : Support : Error Messages : The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000135)
Cause: The Microsoft .NET Framework is not installed
Solution: Download and install the Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0
[LINK]

At this time, my Framework installation status was as follows:

I had de-installed:
1.0
1.1

What was installed:
2.0 SP2
3.0 SP2
3.5 SP1

So why was I getting this error?

I read: If Framework is already installed, run a repair, by selecting Change/Remove on the Microsoft.NET Framework 2, in Add/Remove programs. This may take 5 or more minutes. Don't forget to reboot after running the repair before re-trying AyaNova again.

I ran the repair for Framework 2.0, and Toggle Flash still didn't work.

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I read up on Framework, on wikipedia: [LINK]

.NET Framework 1.0 is the first release of the .NET Framework, released on 13 February 2002 and available for Windows 98, Me, NT 4.0, 2000, and XP. Mainstream support by Microsoft for this version ended 10 July 2007, and extended support ended 14 July 2009.

Mainstream support for .NET Framework 1.1 ended on 14 October 2008, and extended support ends on 8 October 2013. Since .NET 1.1 is a component of Windows Server 2003, extended support for .NET 1.1 on Server 2003 will run out with that of the OS - currently 14 July 2015.

Conclusion: I don't think that I need .NET Framework 1.0, at all.

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As of today, 11/13/09, per wikipedia, the stable release of Framework is:
Version 3.5.30729.1 (3.5 SP1) / 2008-08-11; 14 months ago
[LINK]

.NET Framework 3.5 was released on 19 November 2007, but it is not included with Windows Server 2008. As with .NET Framework 3.0, version 3.5 uses the CLR of version 2.0. In addition, it installs .NET Framework 2.0 SP1, (installs .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 with 3.5 SP1) and .NET Framework 3.0 SP1 (installs .NET Framework 3.0 SP2 with 3.5 SP1), which adds some methods and properties to the BCL classes in version 2.0 which are required for version 3.5 features such as Language Integrated Query (LINQ). These changes do not affect applications written for version 2.0, however.

I read up on what the Bootstrapper version is - it figures out what you need, and only installs that:
[LINK]

The bootstrapper file is small: dotnetfx35setup.exe, 2.82 MB
When run, it then downloads another 50MB - this is as opposed to downloading the Full Package of Framework 3.5, 231MB!

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Since repairing version 2.0 didn't work, it seemed like I needed to do a full de-install, disabling of Startup Programs and Services, running of CCleaner, and a few restarts:

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I re-ran the Framework clean up tool from here:
Aaron Stebner's WebLog, More detailed steps to fix .NET Framework install errors that ask for tmpXXXX.tmp
dotnetfx_cleanup_tool.zip
[LINK]

... but, de-installed *all* versions of Framework this time, not just 1.0 and 1.1

Results from selecting the different options:
All - failed - it took a few minutes for me to learn this
1.0 successful, but it was already de-installed
1.1 successful, but it was already de-installed
2.0 successful
3.0 successful
3.5 successful
All - it worked this time, successful
Restart

Next:

msconfig / "Startup" tab / note what's checked / un-check all
(one may be able to uncheck more, and free up memory, see the Full List at sysinfo org)
msconfig / "Services" tab / hide all microsoft services / note what's unchecked / disable all
(8 are there, but "LightScribeService Direct Disc Labeling Service" is not checked)
Restart

Run CCleaner - clean Windows, Applications, and Registry
Restart

Verify that the Windows files are intact
(I didn't do this to get Framework to work, but did to get AVG 9.0 Free to work, recently. It think it was causing Standby to hang intermittently. I don't know if this fixed anything, but it's not a bad idea)
From a DOS prompt - run the System File Checker
C:\>sfc /purgecache . . . takes one minute - won't work in Safe Mode, the RPC server is unavailable
C:\>sfc /scannow . . . to verify that all protected Windows files are intact and in their original versions, 10/17/09 24 mins
Restart

Install Framework 3.5 through Add/Remove Programs
Results - It put these back!
2.0 SP2
3.0 SP2 . . . in addition to
3.5 SP1
Restart

Put check marks back in "Startup" programs" and "Services"
Restart

Toggle Flash works now!

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And now - Windows Update wants to install:

Update to .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 for the .NET Framework Assistant 1.0 x86 (KB963707), Download size: 741 KB , less than 1 minute
The update to .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 for the .NET Framework Assistant 1.0 for Firefox addresses several compatibility issues with version 1.0 of the extension.

Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB959209) x86, Download size: 16.8 MB , 2 minutes
The Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update provides compatibility roll-up updates for customer reported issues found after the release of Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 SP1.

In an attempt to not run into any glitches, I tried doing these two updates separately, with a Restart in between - starting with the small one first. When I went to do the second one, I found that the small one had not been installed. It appears that they need to be done together at the same time. They installed with no errors.

Windows Update then had another patch for Framework 2.0 that I found in my Hidden Updates. I don't remember putting it there. I was able to install that also, with no errors.

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Microsoft .NET Framework version 1.1 remains in my Hidden Updates

Toggle Flash still works!