Windows Vista biggest Microsoft embarrassement since Windows ME

"Adam Albright" <> wrote

> On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:18:07 -0800, "Rock" <> wrote:
>
>>I'm also not sure why you say you were forced to upgrade to Business.
>
> Because in Microsoft's legendary arrogance and mind numbing stupidness
> it for reasons only know to itself and it money grubbing marketing
> department decided people who already paid a premium price to purchase
> a license for XP Pro, can't do a inplace install and "force" them to
> purchase a version that has features of no interest at a higher cost
> of course. Ditto for Ultimate version. I fail to understand why you or
> anybody for that reason feel I and millions of other customers in the
> same boat should paid $40 or more for features we'll never use simply
> to avoid doing a clean install. Please explain YOUR reasoning to this
> illogical Microsoft BS.

You said one of the reasons you wanted VHP was because it had media center.
Then you found out that you could not do an in place upgrade to VHP from XP
Pro, so you therefore bought Vista Business. My point is - this makes no
sense, and that's why I asked the question. If you wanted media center why
go to Business when it doesn't have it? Get the Ultimate upgrade. That is
the only product that can upgrade XP Pro and has Media Center. Of course if
the issue of doing an in place upgrade is not so important now, since your
first attempt at it hasn't worked out, then maybe you can go back to VHP,
and do a custom install.

As to the forcing issue, you're not forced into anything. You made a
decision, albeit a poorly researched one, but none the less you made the
choice to buy and upgrade.

>>Why not get the upgrade version to Ultimate?
>
> Why should I pay more money when the features I want were already in
> Home Premium?

Lol..this is funny. You wanted the features of Home Premium. You found out
it couldn't do an upgrade, so you bought Business instead of Ultimate, but
Business doesn't have the feature you wanted Home Premium for - the Media
Center. So, again, if you wanted Media Center why in the world get Business
and not Ultimate? And then on top of all this you claim you were forced
into the Business edition?

> The only "logic" Microsoft may have used was hey the
> customer originally bought XP Pro so of course he'll want a premium
> version of Vista. Such absurd leaps in logic are grossly stupid.

The upgrade to Vista is not the first time there were restrictions on what
version could be upgraded to what version. You could not use an upgrade
version of XP Home to upgrade Windows 2000. It could only be XP Pro. Is
this only a marketing decision? I don't think so. I think there technical
issues involved. Same with going from XP Pro to VHP as an in place upgrade.
There are aspects of Pro that are incompatible with VHP. Could MS have made
it work? I don't know. But then I don't think your analysis is correct
either. There is a difference between Home and Business based OS's. MS has
always maintained that difference.

> I regret purchasing XP Pro. I have only rarely used the "advanced"
> featues of XP Pro and do NOT wish to repeat that error in judgement
> with Vista, so I'm "downgrading" to a less expensive version that has
> features I want and need, not those I don't. Get it yet?

This is the first time you actually gave a reason why you wanted to go to
VHP and not Ultimate. Ok, fair enough.

> The issue really is why does Microsoft force customers wishing to
> avoid the nightmare of a clean install to buy more expensive software
> then they want or more importantly need?

I believe there are both marketing and technical aspects that figure into
certain upgrade paths. Here is another example. A user with an x86 version
of XP Pro wants to upgrade to an x64 version of Vista, any version. And
many folks are interested in x64 Vista. Just check out these newsgroups.
But it can't be done as an upgrade for technical reasons. The point is
certain upgrade paths do not allow an in place upgrade. Do folks who want
to upgrade to x64 pound and scream about it? No, actually they just realize
it's a technical issue and move on to the important point of how to get
things done.

> That's like going to McDonalds wanting only a quarter pounder and they
> won't sell you one unless you also buy cheese on it, a large coke and
> large fries. Its absurd. NO customer would put up that kind of crap.

What's kind of absurd here is your arguement. The coke doesn't have to
match the burger in function. The analogy breaks down. And making /
selling a burger is a lot different than providing an infinitely variable
smorgasboord of software options. At some point, some where distinctions
need to be made. Ever gone into a food establishment where certain menu
items have no subsitutions allowed? You can't always get exactly what it is
you want, whether it's software or anything else.

I don't agree with some of the decisions that were made to include or not
include certain functions in some versions. Why fax is not available in the
home products I don't know, and why bit locker isn't in Business is hard to
fathom. There are others too, but the decisions were made; as a
knowledgable consumer I think you'd want to learn beforehand what options
are there and make an informed decision what to do.

> > Why should purchasers of software be any different? Nobody here yet
> has explained why I should be FORCED to pay a premium price to avoid
> doing a clean install. That's simply arrogance on Microsoft's part and
> I'm not too bashful to say it.

You're not forced to do anything. You mean you have no will? No ability to
make your own decisions?

>>That has Media Center, not
>>Business. I'm sorry but I don't understand your reasoning here. Besides
>>no
>>one is forced to upgrade their OS, only do it if there is a need.
>
> That's a strawman argument. I wish to upgrade for SOME of the new
> features. Hint, the ones I want, not what Microsoft attempts to force
> on me by trying to push be into a more expensive upgrade. While nobody
> foces me or anybody to upgrade anytime a new OS comes out, I should
> have reasonable expectations that Vista has been tested so it works as
> advertised on products that have received the right to display the
> Vista approved or build for labels. Obviously in my case that isn't
> what's happening so of course I'm ****ed off. Now pretend you wouldn't
> be if you were in my situation. So far I bought 2 copies of Vista and
> can't install either. I should do what, jump up and down and clap my
> hands for my good fortune?

Nope, if I was in your shoes I would not be happy either. The question is
who should you be unhappy with?

>>Personally, and especially with all the specialty software you have what I
>>would have done was get the full version of Vista, either Home Premium if
>>that will suite all your needs, or Ultimate if you needed certain features
>>VHP doesn't have, and set up a dual boot. That way you can keep running
>>on
>>XP, and slowly work out the issues with your hardware and software. I
>>would
>>not have attempted an upgrade.
>
> You obviously don't have a system with nearly 2 TB of files on it. If
> you did, you would run screaming from the room if somebody told you to
> do a clean install and spend the next week or two suffering through
> all the problems on reinstalling all that software, validating all my
> data files and again backing up that monster load. Now can you
> honestly say you would? Come on, be honest!

Please, you think no one else has massive storage needs, complicated
software, critical business operations? The more involved an installation
the more you have to plan for the change, plan, test, refine, test some
more, then implement. How do you think operations with tens or hundreds of
thousands of licenses make an upgrade? It's the same principle, they plan
for it.

> The whole point of a "upgrade" is to do just that... UPGRADE, not
> replace. The irony is with Vista it doesn't matter, a clean install or
> a upgrade in place still makes images files or so I've been told. So
> the problems I'm having I STILL would have regardless how I attempt to
> install Vista.

Common wisdom has held that the best option when moving to a different OS is
to do a clean installation, not an upgrade. In the case of XP, if win98 or
win2000 was running well, the upgrade to XP usually went well. Did it work
for everyone, certainly not. and some folks still adamantly counsel others
to do only a clean install for that transition. Vista is new, just
released, the experience base is nowhere near as great as the Win98 to XP
upgrade experience base is now. But you still have the two schools of
thought on this.

Yes it is a block copy, but that doesn't mean the same effects will be there
with a custom install. Migration of drivers is not an issue, migration os
softwware is not an issue. This was seen in Beta testing and in these
newsgroups. Sometimes the custom install works fine when the upgrade does
not.

> I shutter to think what yet lies ahead if Vista is so
> damn dumb it can uncompress the CAB files and copy itself to my root
> drive,, but then get stuck. That proves it can write to the IDE drive
> without problem, which is the ONLY drive it need to access. What seems
> to be happening is Vista gets way ahead of itself attempts to
> test/install/look for drivers it doesn't need to install. That again
> is simply poor design and even worse testing. The time to update
> drivers and test them is AFTER the OS is successfully installed. Not
> during.

>>I would have done extensive research before
>>making the jump, so I would know what version I wanted, and how I could
>>get
>>there.
>
> You're another guy that doesn't read half of what I said. Done all
> that. Vista Upgrade agent PASSED my system and said it was safe to
> install Vista. What didn't I do that I should have? The difference
> between Home Premium and Business or another version is just a red
> herring you're tying to dangle. The core elements are the same
> regardless of version. I assumed you knew that. No?

I wouldn't call running the Upgrade Advisor (it's an Advisor, right? not a
certainty) as constituting adequate research on something as significant as
an OS upgrade. You're experienced right? Did you even go to the MS website
and look at the link and chart that describes the upgrade paths? Do a bit
of research to find out if you could, in fact, accomplish what you wanted to
accomplish? Seems to me this is a very basic thing to do for someone as
experienced as you. The link to the below listed page is on the Vista Home
page on the right side under "Upgrade to Windows Vista", "Upgrade from a
previous edition".

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...radepaths.mspx

Had you read that you would have seen that XP Pro to Vista Home Premium can
only do a custom install. Ok disappointment. You can't always get what you
want. What's the next step, eh? Maybe research what options are supported
in each version, combine that with the knowledge of the upgrade paths and
come to an informed decision about what route to follow?

So do you just go out, then, and buy the copy and charge forward? No.
Common sense says to set up some means of fall back if things don't go well.
You wrote about all this data (I get the feeling your writing TB implies we
should be awed by your situation) and all this expensive software. Sounds
to me like it's important to keep that system running well, maybe not want
to take any risk it would be damaged. What happened if your infrastructure
right now was destroyed in a storm, or the light fingered folks made off
with all your computers?

So you think what can I do, you research, you ask questions. There are many
options. Backup data, redundancy, maybe even a drive imaging solution to
make images of your OS and applications drive(s) so if the OS crashes you
can quickly restore and be running.

Did you do this? Did you set up a recovery plan in case the upgrade didn't
work? In case the power went out right in the middle and the drive was
trashed? What would you do then? Whatever recovery solution you decide on
will be based on the risk tolerance. How much down time can you handle, how
easy is it to recovery software, etc.

Maybe set up a dual boot, or get a second computer to test this on before
you gamble everything on the upgrade? This is life of business stuff here,
can you afford to have problems?

Next step in the research, maybe figure out what is involved in the upgrade,
what makes it work, what have people who have done this know about the pit
falls. Then you remember hardware needs drivers, and hardware support is
the responsibility of the device manufactuer. Natural question comes to
mind, will my devices work in Vista, are there drivers for them? Do they
work, what are the experiences ofthe early migrators? Geez, maybe I should
post a question or two to a newsgroup or forum. Visit the web site for the
manufacturer, check on the drivers, check out their forums, what are the
users saying about them?

Will my software work? I'm not going to trust the word of an "Advisor"
program as gospel, check on the software makers' web sites, ask some
question, figure out where the problems are.

You'v got it all planned now, research, recovery mechanism, problems
anticipated.

So come the big day, you plunk down your money, and pop in the DVD, disaster
hits, so no big deal. Frustrating, yes, but boy am I glad I set up that
recovery scheme. I'm back up and runnnig.

Or foget all the above, Nah, I'll just run the upgrade advisor, and have at
it.

>>I would have researched the hardware drivers, and the software
>>compatibility by checking the vendor websites, and newsgroups like this.
>
> Newsgroups "like this" are amusing like political ones are often in
> that the vast majority of posters don't have a clue what they're
> talking about. In spite of me detail exactly the problems I've had as
> ANYONE even come close to a suggestion other than take it back and
> stick with XP? Well?

Interesting comment you make that "In spite of me detail exactly the
problems I've had as ANYONE even come close to a suggestion other than take
it back and stick with XP". I think I have reviewed all your posts. In one
you said you got a BSOD and gave the code, and at the end of that post you
mention nVidia display drivers, and looking at a box for the display card
that says built for Microsoft Windows Vista.

But no where in any of the posts I looked at do I see one mention of what
the computer is, what configuration, what motherboard, what chipset, how
many hard drives, how are they partitioned, are they PATA or SATA, where
was XP installed, where was Vista installed, what is the video card model,
what driver versions for the video card, for the
chipset, what software, etc, etc. You have not given one piece of useful /
relevant info except for that BSOD code.

You ranted paragraph on paragraph about your shopping ordeal, your dislike
for the Frye's manager, the amount of storage space your data takes, how
much money you spend on software, and your anger toward Microsoft, but no
info. on the problem at hand.

I don't know about you, but I surely wouldn't call that "detail exactly the
problems".

Adam, I am sorry you have had such problems. I know how good it would have
felt if everything went nicely, and the frustration when it doesn't, but
things don't always go nicely, especially in computers, and even more so
with something as significant as an upgrade to a brand new OS on untried
hardware (you haven't tried Vista on this hardware, have you?)

You have reason to be unhappy, but share some responsibility. Look at
yourself first. You did nothing to prepare for this significant upgrade.
You went into it with HUA. You didn't even spend the time to figure out if
you could in fact do the upgrade you wanted with the version of Vista you
wanted before buying it. From someone who is supposed to be experienced,
that's not saying much.

The stop error you listed was 0x0000007B. That code means
INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE

http://aumha.org/win5/kbestop.htm
0x0000007B: INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE

This link deals with the error on XP, It should be similar in Vista. I'm
not about to waste any more of my time researching that code in Vista for
you. You can do that. I think you are right, it probably is driver
related.

This is a peer to peer newsgroup. Most everyone that posts here is a
volunteer, as am I, trying to help people where we can. Occasionally an MS
employee will post but on their own. No one owes you an answer, or any
help, but if you want help I suggest you post some facts relevant to the
problem.

All things considered, had I been in your shoes, I would have at the minimum
made sure there was an archived image of the XP installation to be able to
recover quickly if things didn't work, then tried the upgrade, with the
expectation there would be problems.

Good luck to you.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

Rock wrote:
> "Adam Albright" <> wrote
>
>> On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:18:07 -0800, "Rock" <> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also not sure why you say you were forced to upgrade to Business.
>>
>> Because in Microsoft's legendary arrogance and mind numbing stupidness
>> it for reasons only know to itself and it money grubbing marketing
>> department decided people who already paid a premium price to purchase
>> a license for XP Pro, can't do a inplace install and "force" them to
>> purchase a version that has features of no interest at a higher cost
>> of course. Ditto for Ultimate version. I fail to understand why you or
>> anybody for that reason feel I and millions of other customers in the
>> same boat should paid $40 or more for features we'll never use simply
>> to avoid doing a clean install. Please explain YOUR reasoning to this
>> illogical Microsoft BS.
>
> You said one of the reasons you wanted VHP was because it had media
> center. Then you found out that you could not do an in place upgrade to
> VHP from XP Pro, so you therefore bought Vista Business. My point is -
> this makes no sense, and that's why I asked the question. If you wanted
> media center why go to Business when it doesn't have it? Get the
> Ultimate upgrade. That is the only product that can upgrade XP Pro and
> has Media Center. Of course if the issue of doing an in place upgrade
> is not so important now, since your first attempt at it hasn't worked
> out, then maybe you can go back to VHP, and do a custom install.
>
> As to the forcing issue, you're not forced into anything. You made a
> decision, albeit a poorly researched one, but none the less you made the
> choice to buy and upgrade.
>
>>> Why not get the upgrade version to Ultimate?
>>
>> Why should I pay more money when the features I want were already in
>> Home Premium?
>
> Lol..this is funny. You wanted the features of Home Premium. You found
> out it couldn't do an upgrade, so you bought Business instead of
> Ultimate, but Business doesn't have the feature you wanted Home Premium
> for - the Media Center. So, again, if you wanted Media Center why in
> the world get Business and not Ultimate? And then on top of all this
> you claim you were forced into the Business edition?
>
>> The only "logic" Microsoft may have used was hey the
>> customer originally bought XP Pro so of course he'll want a premium
>> version of Vista. Such absurd leaps in logic are grossly stupid.
>
> The upgrade to Vista is not the first time there were restrictions on
> what version could be upgraded to what version. You could not use an
> upgrade version of XP Home to upgrade Windows 2000. It could only be XP
> Pro. Is this only a marketing decision? I don't think so. I think
> there technical issues involved. Same with going from XP Pro to VHP as
> an in place upgrade. There are aspects of Pro that are incompatible with
> VHP. Could MS have made it work? I don't know. But then I don't think
> your analysis is correct either. There is a difference between Home and
> Business based OS's. MS has always maintained that difference.
>
>> I regret purchasing XP Pro. I have only rarely used the "advanced"
>> featues of XP Pro and do NOT wish to repeat that error in judgement
>> with Vista, so I'm "downgrading" to a less expensive version that has
>> features I want and need, not those I don't. Get it yet?
>
> This is the first time you actually gave a reason why you wanted to go
> to VHP and not Ultimate. Ok, fair enough.
>
>> The issue really is why does Microsoft force customers wishing to
>> avoid the nightmare of a clean install to buy more expensive software
>> then they want or more importantly need?
>
> I believe there are both marketing and technical aspects that figure
> into certain upgrade paths. Here is another example. A user with an
> x86 version of XP Pro wants to upgrade to an x64 version of Vista, any
> version. And many folks are interested in x64 Vista. Just check out
> these newsgroups. But it can't be done as an upgrade for technical
> reasons. The point is certain upgrade paths do not allow an in place
> upgrade. Do folks who want to upgrade to x64 pound and scream about
> it? No, actually they just realize it's a technical issue and move on
> to the important point of how to get things done.
>
>> That's like going to McDonalds wanting only a quarter pounder and they
>> won't sell you one unless you also buy cheese on it, a large coke and
>> large fries. Its absurd. NO customer would put up that kind of crap.
>
> What's kind of absurd here is your arguement. The coke doesn't have to
> match the burger in function. The analogy breaks down. And making /
> selling a burger is a lot different than providing an infinitely
> variable smorgasboord of software options. At some point, some where
> distinctions need to be made. Ever gone into a food establishment where
> certain menu items have no subsitutions allowed? You can't always get
> exactly what it is you want, whether it's software or anything else.
>
> I don't agree with some of the decisions that were made to include or
> not include certain functions in some versions. Why fax is not
> available in the home products I don't know, and why bit locker isn't in
> Business is hard to fathom. There are others too, but the decisions
> were made; as a knowledgable consumer I think you'd want to learn
> beforehand what options are there and make an informed decision what to do.
>
>> > Why should purchasers of software be any different? Nobody here yet
>> has explained why I should be FORCED to pay a premium price to avoid
>> doing a clean install. That's simply arrogance on Microsoft's part and
>> I'm not too bashful to say it.
>
> You're not forced to do anything. You mean you have no will? No
> ability to make your own decisions?
>
>>> That has Media Center, not
>>> Business. I'm sorry but I don't understand your reasoning here.
>>> Besides no
>>> one is forced to upgrade their OS, only do it if there is a need.
>>
>> That's a strawman argument. I wish to upgrade for SOME of the new
>> features. Hint, the ones I want, not what Microsoft attempts to force
>> on me by trying to push be into a more expensive upgrade. While nobody
>> foces me or anybody to upgrade anytime a new OS comes out, I should
>> have reasonable expectations that Vista has been tested so it works as
>> advertised on products that have received the right to display the
>> Vista approved or build for labels. Obviously in my case that isn't
>> what's happening so of course I'm ****ed off. Now pretend you wouldn't
>> be if you were in my situation. So far I bought 2 copies of Vista and
>> can't install either. I should do what, jump up and down and clap my
>> hands for my good fortune?
>
> Nope, if I was in your shoes I would not be happy either. The question
> is who should you be unhappy with?
>
>>> Personally, and especially with all the specialty software you have
>>> what I
>>> would have done was get the full version of Vista, either Home
>>> Premium if
>>> that will suite all your needs, or Ultimate if you needed certain
>>> features
>>> VHP doesn't have, and set up a dual boot. That way you can keep
>>> running on
>>> XP, and slowly work out the issues with your hardware and software.
>>> I would
>>> not have attempted an upgrade.
>>
>> You obviously don't have a system with nearly 2 TB of files on it. If
>> you did, you would run screaming from the room if somebody told you to
>> do a clean install and spend the next week or two suffering through
>> all the problems on reinstalling all that software, validating all my
>> data files and again backing up that monster load. Now can you
>> honestly say you would? Come on, be honest!
>
> Please, you think no one else has massive storage needs, complicated
> software, critical business operations? The more involved an
> installation the more you have to plan for the change, plan, test,
> refine, test some more, then implement. How do you think operations
> with tens or hundreds of thousands of licenses make an upgrade? It's
> the same principle, they plan for it.
>
>> The whole point of a "upgrade" is to do just that... UPGRADE, not
>> replace. The irony is with Vista it doesn't matter, a clean install or
>> a upgrade in place still makes images files or so I've been told. So
>> the problems I'm having I STILL would have regardless how I attempt to
>> install Vista.
>
> Common wisdom has held that the best option when moving to a different
> OS is to do a clean installation, not an upgrade. In the case of XP, if
> win98 or win2000 was running well, the upgrade to XP usually went well.
> Did it work for everyone, certainly not. and some folks still adamantly
> counsel others to do only a clean install for that transition. Vista is
> new, just released, the experience base is nowhere near as great as the
> Win98 to XP upgrade experience base is now. But you still have the two
> schools of thought on this.
>
> Yes it is a block copy, but that doesn't mean the same effects will be
> there with a custom install. Migration of drivers is not an issue,
> migration os softwware is not an issue. This was seen in Beta testing
> and in these newsgroups. Sometimes the custom install works fine when
> the upgrade does not.
>
>> I shutter to think what yet lies ahead if Vista is so
>> damn dumb it can uncompress the CAB files and copy itself to my root
>> drive,, but then get stuck. That proves it can write to the IDE drive
>> without problem, which is the ONLY drive it need to access. What seems
>> to be happening is Vista gets way ahead of itself attempts to
>> test/install/look for drivers it doesn't need to install. That again
>> is simply poor design and even worse testing. The time to update
>> drivers and test them is AFTER the OS is successfully installed. Not
>> during.
>
>>> I would have done extensive research before
>>> making the jump, so I would know what version I wanted, and how I
>>> could get
>>> there.
>>
>> You're another guy that doesn't read half of what I said. Done all
>> that. Vista Upgrade agent PASSED my system and said it was safe to
>> install Vista. What didn't I do that I should have? The difference
>> between Home Premium and Business or another version is just a red
>> herring you're tying to dangle. The core elements are the same
>> regardless of version. I assumed you knew that. No?
>
> I wouldn't call running the Upgrade Advisor (it's an Advisor, right? not
> a certainty) as constituting adequate research on something as
> significant as an OS upgrade. You're experienced right? Did you even
> go to the MS website and look at the link and chart that describes the
> upgrade paths? Do a bit of research to find out if you could, in fact,
> accomplish what you wanted to accomplish? Seems to me this is a very
> basic thing to do for someone as experienced as you. The link to the
> below listed page is on the Vista Home page on the right side under
> "Upgrade to Windows Vista", "Upgrade from a previous edition".
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...radepaths.mspx
>
>
> Had you read that you would have seen that XP Pro to Vista Home Premium
> can only do a custom install. Ok disappointment. You can't always get
> what you want. What's the next step, eh? Maybe research what options
> are supported in each version, combine that with the knowledge of the
> upgrade paths and come to an informed decision about what route to follow?
>
> So do you just go out, then, and buy the copy and charge forward? No.
> Common sense says to set up some means of fall back if things don't go
> well. You wrote about all this data (I get the feeling your writing TB
> implies we should be awed by your situation) and all this expensive
> software. Sounds to me like it's important to keep that system running
> well, maybe not want to take any risk it would be damaged. What
> happened if your infrastructure right now was destroyed in a storm, or
> the light fingered folks made off with all your computers?
>
> So you think what can I do, you research, you ask questions. There are
> many options. Backup data, redundancy, maybe even a drive imaging
> solution to make images of your OS and applications drive(s) so if the
> OS crashes you can quickly restore and be running.
>
> Did you do this? Did you set up a recovery plan in case the upgrade
> didn't work? In case the power went out right in the middle and the
> drive was trashed? What would you do then? Whatever recovery solution
> you decide on will be based on the risk tolerance. How much down time
> can you handle, how easy is it to recovery software, etc.
>
> Maybe set up a dual boot, or get a second computer to test this on
> before you gamble everything on the upgrade? This is life of business
> stuff here, can you afford to have problems?
>
> Next step in the research, maybe figure out what is involved in the
> upgrade, what makes it work, what have people who have done this know
> about the pit falls. Then you remember hardware needs drivers, and
> hardware support is the responsibility of the device manufactuer.
> Natural question comes to mind, will my devices work in Vista, are there
> drivers for them? Do they work, what are the experiences ofthe early
> migrators? Geez, maybe I should post a question or two to a newsgroup
> or forum. Visit the web site for the manufacturer, check on the
> drivers, check out their forums, what are the users saying about them?
>
> Will my software work? I'm not going to trust the word of an "Advisor"
> program as gospel, check on the software makers' web sites, ask some
> question, figure out where the problems are.
>
> You'v got it all planned now, research, recovery mechanism, problems
> anticipated.
>
> So come the big day, you plunk down your money, and pop in the DVD,
> disaster hits, so no big deal. Frustrating, yes, but boy am I glad I
> set up that recovery scheme. I'm back up and runnnig.
>
> Or foget all the above, Nah, I'll just run the upgrade advisor, and have
> at it.
>
>>> I would have researched the hardware drivers, and the software
>>> compatibility by checking the vendor websites, and newsgroups like this.
>>
>> Newsgroups "like this" are amusing like political ones are often in
>> that the vast majority of posters don't have a clue what they're
>> talking about. In spite of me detail exactly the problems I've had as
>> ANYONE even come close to a suggestion other than take it back and
>> stick with XP? Well?
>
> Interesting comment you make that "In spite of me detail exactly the
> problems I've had as ANYONE even come close to a suggestion other than
> take it back and stick with XP". I think I have reviewed all your
> posts. In one you said you got a BSOD and gave the code, and at the end
> of that post you mention nVidia display drivers, and looking at a box
> for the display card that says built for Microsoft Windows Vista.
>
> But no where in any of the posts I looked at do I see one mention of
> what the computer is, what configuration, what motherboard, what
> chipset, how many hard drives, how are they partitioned, are they PATA
> or SATA, where was XP installed, where was Vista installed, what is the
> video card model, what driver versions for the video card, for the
> chipset, what software, etc, etc. You have not given one piece of
> useful / relevant info except for that BSOD code.
>
> You ranted paragraph on paragraph about your shopping ordeal, your
> dislike for the Frye's manager, the amount of storage space your data
> takes, how much money you spend on software, and your anger toward
> Microsoft, but no info. on the problem at hand.
>
> I don't know about you, but I surely wouldn't call that "detail exactly
> the problems".
>
> Adam, I am sorry you have had such problems. I know how good it would
> have felt if everything went nicely, and the frustration when it
> doesn't, but things don't always go nicely, especially in computers, and
> even more so with something as significant as an upgrade to a brand new
> OS on untried hardware (you haven't tried Vista on this hardware, have
> you?)
>
> You have reason to be unhappy, but share some responsibility. Look at
> yourself first. You did nothing to prepare for this significant
> upgrade. You went into it with HUA. You didn't even spend the time to
> figure out if you could in fact do the upgrade you wanted with the
> version of Vista you wanted before buying it. From someone who is
> supposed to be experienced, that's not saying much.
>
> The stop error you listed was 0x0000007B. That code means
> INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
>
> http://aumha.org/win5/kbestop.htm
> 0x0000007B: INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
>
> This link deals with the error on XP, It should be similar in Vista.
> I'm not about to waste any more of my time researching that code in
> Vista for you. You can do that. I think you are right, it probably is
> driver related.
>
> This is a peer to peer newsgroup. Most everyone that posts here is a
> volunteer, as am I, trying to help people where we can. Occasionally an
> MS employee will post but on their own. No one owes you an answer, or
> any help, but if you want help I suggest you post some facts relevant to
> the problem.
>
> All things considered, had I been in your shoes, I would have at the
> minimum made sure there was an archived image of the XP installation to
> be able to recover quickly if things didn't work, then tried the
> upgrade, with the expectation there would be problems.
>
> Good luck to you.
>
C

Yeah I got the same issue with Vista not installing, passed the vista advisor
with no issues cant not get a complete install, just locks. Tried removing
all extra pci devices, dropping down to one stick of ram, removing usb
devices and no go.

I have heard that there are issues with sata drives and the nvida hard drive
controller.

$175 Home premium upgrade coaster or frisby now.

I think Bill Gates has bought a stack of apple shares as he knows what
people will be doing after Vista.

Mark

"Adam Albright" wrote:

> On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:54:12 -0600, Adam Albright <> wrote:
>
>
> >I'll report later if in fact the business version does a in place
> >upgrade. Already hours of my time wasted, my original $160 in limbo,
> >and a future fight with my bank, perhaps Visa themselves and Fry's to
> >get a refund all thanks to some fool at Microsoft that thought it was
> >"cool" to design upgrades this moronic way.
> >
> >If Microsoft was in any kind of business besides software, they would
> >have been laughed out of business years ago for being the arrogant
> >fools they always are.
>
>
> IT JUST KEEPS GETTING WORSE!
>
> Is anybody surprised that Vista crashed for me? I got as far as the
> first reboot screen. The first thing that obviously seems WRONG is I
> see a dual boot screen, the choices being old system (XP) or setup. By
> default it goes to setup in 5 seconds. Normal BIOS screens, then a
> black Windows screen with the back and forth scroll bar, followed by
> no surprise to me, a stop error. stop 0X0000007B.
>
> I reboot go into BIOS change everything I had spent hours tweaking and
> put everything back to "safe defaults". Save BIOS changes, which is
> followed by more stop errors. Dozens of them, sometimes different. No
> matter what, Vista won't proceed and just haults at the stop page.
> Result a totally locked-up computer requiring a foced shut down.
>
> Before that, during the initial stages of install the Vista installer,
> says "Potential issues. Will not prevent upgrade, may cause some
> applications or devices to no function".
>
> Can you believe that?
>
> Remember I ran the Vista Update Advisor, several times actually, it
> gave a green check mark and found no problems. I went online, checked
> for updates. It found none. Now I finally start to do the actual
> install and the installer finds "potential" problems, says hey they're
> not a problem go ahead, then crashes, so geez Microsoft, I guess they
> were problems after all, that your junk couldn't find BEFORE I started
> to install. So typical of Microsoft crap!
>
> I'm not the ****ed-off owner of Vista Home Premium and Vista Business
> and neither version will install on a system designed for Vista that
> Microsoft's Vista Upgrade Advisor passed. So far I've wasted 5 hours
> and and out over $350 and now have a unstable system.
>
> Anybody interested in what problems are now reported when Vista
> Upgrade Advisor found none before, but the actual installer does?
>
> Ready to laugh uncontrollably?
>
> MSN Explorer and Windows Messenger 5 is what is claimed as a potential
> problem.
>
> Yep, that's right, the five years in development Vista OS chokes on
> not one, but two Microsoft applications!
>
> Stop laughing... afterall, we're talking Microsoft. These stupid
> things ALWAYS happend with Microsoft crap.
>
> Oh, by the way it gets worse...
>
> Like I keep repeating the Vista Upgrade Advisor gave my system a clean
> bill of health. It claimed oh you may after to update some drivers for
> your SATA controller and the USB controller, but you can't do that
> till you have Vista up and running, right? I actually have some.
>
> It even gave a cute little visual icon of my graphic card, printer,
> etc.., said (it lied) that Visa would work fine on my PC. Get that? It
> claims everything is ok for you to upgrade, so you go out and buy the
> damn crap and this is what happens!
>
> Well now guess what else, the installer says NVIDA Display Drivers ARE
> a problem. Well funny, since right now I'm staring at the box the
> graphic card came in and surprise, surprise, it has the "built for
> Microsoft Windows Vista" sticker right on the box. Remember the
> Upgrade Advisor didn't find a damn thing wrong with the graphic card,
> in fact is passed it! It again lied or is just useless. Take your
> pick. Remember we're talking Microsoft crap.
>
> I just looked at my C drive and thanks to the Vista installer I now
> have nearly 3GB, that's right, 3GB of crap from a half way finished
> install cluttering up that drive that isn't worth sh.t.
>
> Thanks Microsoft, you should be so proud. <not!>
>
>