Windows XP, Not Windows Vista (!) Breathes Life into Dead Computers

So much for vista being as fast or even faster than xp... Just imagine if XP
can run faster than Vista on old hardware, how much faster will it run on
new hardware?

Vista fast? LOL not even in your dreams!

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windo...rs-70506.shtml

Microsoft has chosen Windows XP over Windows Vista, its latest operating
system to breathe life into dead computers. After extending support for XP,
preparing the launch of the third and final service pack, as well as
extending the product's availability via the retail and original equipment
manufacturer channels until mid 2008, Microsoft is offering its Windows
platform dropped at the end of 2001 yet another way to survive in the
detriment of Vista. But the fact of the matter is that the Redmond company
had no alternative. Windows Vista is nothing short of
a resource hog, and in this context, the operating system is unfit to run on
obsolete computers.

Obsolete, of course by the standards imposed by Vista itself. But when it
comes down to XP, there's an entirely different matter altogether. XP is
nowhere near as resource hungry as Windows Vista is. And in this context, it
is perfect to run on refurbished PCs. The introduction of the Microsoft
Authorized Refurbisher is designed to streamline the process of associating
Windows under volume licensing with refurbished computers. The MAR program
is designed to benefit the refurbishers market with the tools necessary to
keep Windows even on obsolete PCs. And doing the math, that's quite a
market.

"Refurbished PCs are part of is what is referred to as the secondary PC
market. This market consists of computers that are currently out of use. In
2004 Microsoft conducted a joint study with Gartner that focused on the
secondary market. What they found was 150 million PCs entered the secondary
market, and of those, approximately 20 million were refurbished and resold.
Today we project that this number is closer to 28 million PCs, making
refurbished PCs over 10 percent of the worldwide PC market," explained Hani
Shakeel, senior product manager of the Genuine Windows Product Marketing
team.

The MAR program is essentially Microsoft's response to feedback from
refurbishers that were looking for a simple modality to license and install
the Windows operating system on large volumes of machines that had been
basically thrown out. Microsoft could not say yes to Windows Vista, but it
did agree to Windows XP.

"Microsoft is offering a new license for refurbishers that is only available
through the MAR program: Windows XP Home for Refurbished PCs and Windows XP
Professional for Refurbished PCs. As long as the PCs that are being
refurbished have a Certificate of Authenticity (COA), they can be easily
licensed. Initially, we're offering these Windows XP licenses in English,
French and Spanish. Right from the start, refurbishers will have the ability
to ship anywhere in the world", Shakeel added

> It's all irrelevant...just like you are...lol!

Why is it irrelevant Frank? Many people may be wondering if they should
upgrade their computers to vista.

This is an article that includes an vista-xp comparison of speed..

the article clearly states that "XP is nowhere near as resource hungry as
Windows Vista is"

I have been saying this for more than a year... gee whiz!



"Frank" <> wrote in message
news:...
> teyebeareeus wrote:
>
>
> ---idiot article deleted---
>
> Hey butt-munch crunch...nobody cares. It's all irrelevant...just like you
> are...lol!
> Frank

bye Tie/Kirk


"teyebeareeus" <> wrote in message
news:4734f7f6$...
> So much for vista being as fast or even faster than xp... Just imagine if
> XP can run faster than Vista on old hardware, how much faster will it run
> on new hardware?
>
> Vista fast? LOL not even in your dreams!
>
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windo...rs-70506.shtml
>
> Microsoft has chosen Windows XP over Windows Vista, its latest operating
> system to breathe life into dead computers. After extending support for
> XP, preparing the launch of the third and final service pack, as well as
> extending the product's availability via the retail and original equipment
> manufacturer channels until mid 2008, Microsoft is offering its Windows
> platform dropped at the end of 2001 yet another way to survive in the
> detriment of Vista. But the fact of the matter is that the Redmond company
> had no alternative. Windows Vista is nothing short of
> a resource hog, and in this context, the operating system is unfit to run
> on obsolete computers.
>
> Obsolete, of course by the standards imposed by Vista itself. But when it
> comes down to XP, there's an entirely different matter altogether. XP is
> nowhere near as resource hungry as Windows Vista is. And in this context,
> it is perfect to run on refurbished PCs. The introduction of the Microsoft
> Authorized Refurbisher is designed to streamline the process of
> associating Windows under volume licensing with refurbished computers. The
> MAR program is designed to benefit the refurbishers market with the tools
> necessary to keep Windows even on obsolete PCs. And doing the math, that's
> quite a market.
>
> "Refurbished PCs are part of is what is referred to as the secondary PC
> market. This market consists of computers that are currently out of use.
> In 2004 Microsoft conducted a joint study with Gartner that focused on the
> secondary market. What they found was 150 million PCs entered the
> secondary market, and of those, approximately 20 million were refurbished
> and resold. Today we project that this number is closer to 28 million PCs,
> making refurbished PCs over 10 percent of the worldwide PC market,"
> explained Hani Shakeel, senior product manager of the Genuine Windows
> Product Marketing team.
>
> The MAR program is essentially Microsoft's response to feedback from
> refurbishers that were looking for a simple modality to license and
> install the Windows operating system on large volumes of machines that had
> been basically thrown out. Microsoft could not say yes to Windows Vista,
> but it did agree to Windows XP.
>
> "Microsoft is offering a new license for refurbishers that is only
> available through the MAR program: Windows XP Home for Refurbished PCs and
> Windows XP Professional for Refurbished PCs. As long as the PCs that are
> being refurbished have a Certificate of Authenticity (COA), they can be
> easily licensed. Initially, we're offering these Windows XP licenses in
> English, French and Spanish. Right from the start, refurbishers will have
> the ability to ship anywhere in the world", Shakeel added
>

"teyebeareeus" <> wrote in message
news:4734f7f6$...
> So much for vista being as fast or even faster than xp... Just imagine if
> XP can run faster than Vista on old hardware, how much faster will it run
> on new hardware?
>
> Vista fast? LOL not even in your dreams!
>
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windo...rs-70506.shtml

Well DUH! of course Vista won't perform well on older machines, just as XP
wouldn't perform well on older machines before it, and 98 wouldn't perform
well on older machines before it, and 95 wouldn't perform well on older
machines before it, and so on. So the big revelation is what? ...Nothing
new, that's what. Sheesh, having to "reach" for stuff now? Mac is/was the
same way, big deal, it's part of the OS evolution. Ya want more from it,
then you need more power to run it... Simple


---- Snip ---

teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
> So much for vista being as fast or even faster than xp... Just imagine
> if XP can run faster than Vista on old hardware, how much faster will it
> run on new hardware?
>
> Vista fast? LOL not even in your dreams!
>
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windo...rs-70506.shtml
>
>

No-one ever denied that XP runs better on _older_hardware_ than does
Vista.

teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
> Microsoft has chosen Windows XP over Windows Vista, its latest operating
> system to breathe life into dead computers. After extending support for
> XP, preparing the launch of the third and final service pack, as well as
> extending the product's availability via the retail and original
> equipment manufacturer channels until mid 2008, Microsoft is offering
> its Windows platform dropped at the end of 2001 yet another way to
> survive in the detriment of Vista. But the fact of the matter is that
> the Redmond company had no alternative. Windows Vista is nothing short
> of a resource hog, and in this context, the operating system is unfit to
> run on obsolete computers.

Well of course Vista is a resource hog. You can't exactly expect a
modern OS such as Vista to run on obsolete hardware that was originally
designed for it predessor [XP]?

teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
> Obsolete, of course by the standards imposed by Vista itself. But when
> it comes down to XP, there's an entirely different matter altogether. XP
> is nowhere near as resource hungry as Windows Vista is. And in this
> context, it is perfect to run on refurbished PCs. The introduction of
> the Microsoft Authorized Refurbisher is designed to streamline the
> process of associating Windows under volume licensing with refurbished
> computers. The MAR program is designed to benefit the refurbishers
> market with the tools necessary to keep Windows even on obsolete PCs.
> And doing the math, that's quite a market.

All computer hardware at some point becomes obsolete when it can no
longer deal with the demands of new software. Have you never replaced
your graphics card with a newer one just to be able to keep up with the
demands of the latest games? The evolving demands of software will
always be the driving force behind ever more powerful hardware.

teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
> "Refurbished PCs are part of is what is referred to as the secondary PC
> market. This market consists of computers that are currently out of use.
> In 2004 Microsoft conducted a joint study with Gartner that focused on
> the secondary market. What they found was 150 million PCs entered the
> secondary market, and of those, approximately 20 million were
> refurbished and resold. Today we project that this number is closer to
> 28 million PCs, making refurbished PCs over 10 percent of the worldwide
> PC market," explained Hani Shakeel, senior product manager of the
> Genuine Windows Product Marketing team.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Just because we are able to afford
the latest hardware doesn't mean that emerging markets can. I make a
living out of providing these refurbished PCs to markets that do not
have the resources for the newest.

As an example, I've just recently built a Media Center with 20 PCs for
a school in my area. Numerous companies tendered for the contract, of
which I was the lucky winner. Had I chosen to quote them on new, Vista
capable computers, this would not have been the case.

The MAR program is essentially Microsoft's response to feedback from
refurbishers that were looking for a simple modality to license and
install the Windows operating system on large volumes of machines that
had been basically thrown out. Microsoft could not say yes to Windows
Vista, but it did agree to Windows XP.

Microsoft could not say yes to Vista for this program, because the
computers that "have been thrown out" are not capable of running Vista.
Its not because Vista is rubbish, but because in this instance, XP is the
better choice.

teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
"Microsoft is offering a new license for refurbishers that is only
available through the MAR program: Windows XP Home for Refurbished PCs
and Windows XP Professional for Refurbished PCs. As long as the PCs that
are being refurbished have a Certificate of Authenticity (COA), they can
be easily licensed. Initially, we're offering these Windows XP licenses
in English, French and Spanish. Right from the start, refurbishers will
have the ability to ship anywhere in the world", Shakeel added

As I said, this program is designed for emerging markets that cannot
afford or have access to the newest hardware.


--
dzomlija

____________________________________
Peter Alexander Dzomlija
Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
you die, so shall I be Reborn...

- ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
- AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
- 4GB DDR400
- ASUS nVidia 6600
- Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
- 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
- Vista Ultimate x64
- CodeGear Delphi 2007http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/

"No-one ever denied that XP runs better on..."
AFAIK, you are correct.
However some have reported better performance with Windows Vista on
their specific hardware compared to a clean Install of Windows XP and
Windows Vista.
Some of the critics have twisted these specific instances to be claims
by those that Windows Vista runs better on all hardware than Windows
XP, which was clearly not the intent.

"The evolving demands of software will..."
I will partially disagree.
It is not so much the software but the users that demand more of the
software which thus drives the hardware.
The root is we want more so the software and hardware must be made to
do what we the customers want and will pay $ to get.

"This isn't necessarily a bad thing."
That is actually a good thing if it keeps resources in use and out of
landfills etc.
But critics often attempt to see through dark glasses.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"dzomlija" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
>> So much for vista being as fast or even faster than xp... Just
>> imagine
>> if XP can run faster than Vista on old hardware, how much faster
>> will it
>> run on new hardware?
>>
>> Vista fast? LOL not even in your dreams!
>>
>> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windo...rs-70506.shtml
>>
>>
>
> No-one ever denied that XP runs better on _older_hardware_ than does
> Vista.
>
> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
>> Microsoft has chosen Windows XP over Windows Vista, its latest
>> operating
>> system to breathe life into dead computers. After extending support
>> for
>> XP, preparing the launch of the third and final service pack, as
>> well as
>> extending the product's availability via the retail and original
>> equipment manufacturer channels until mid 2008, Microsoft is
>> offering
>> its Windows platform dropped at the end of 2001 yet another way to
>> survive in the detriment of Vista. But the fact of the matter is
>> that
>> the Redmond company had no alternative. Windows Vista is nothing
>> short
>> of a resource hog, and in this context, the operating system is
>> unfit to
>> run on obsolete computers.
>
> Well of course Vista is a resource hog. You can't exactly expect a
> modern OS such as Vista to run on obsolete hardware that was
> originally
> designed for it predessor [XP]?
>
> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
>> Obsolete, of course by the standards imposed by Vista itself. But
>> when
>> it comes down to XP, there's an entirely different matter
>> altogether. XP
>> is nowhere near as resource hungry as Windows Vista is. And in this
>> context, it is perfect to run on refurbished PCs. The introduction
>> of
>> the Microsoft Authorized Refurbisher is designed to streamline the
>> process of associating Windows under volume licensing with
>> refurbished
>> computers. The MAR program is designed to benefit the refurbishers
>> market with the tools necessary to keep Windows even on obsolete
>> PCs.
>> And doing the math, that's quite a market.
>
> All computer hardware at some point becomes obsolete when it can no
> longer deal with the demands of new software. Have you never
> replaced
> your graphics card with a newer one just to be able to keep up with
> the
> demands of the latest games? The evolving demands of software will
> always be the driving force behind ever more powerful hardware.
>
> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
>> "Refurbished PCs are part of is what is referred to as the
>> secondary PC
>> market. This market consists of computers that are currently out of
>> use.
>> In 2004 Microsoft conducted a joint study with Gartner that focused
>> on
>> the secondary market. What they found was 150 million PCs entered
>> the
>> secondary market, and of those, approximately 20 million were
>> refurbished and resold. Today we project that this number is closer
>> to
>> 28 million PCs, making refurbished PCs over 10 percent of the
>> worldwide
>> PC market," explained Hani Shakeel, senior product manager of the
>> Genuine Windows Product Marketing team.
>
> This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Just because we are able to
> afford
> the latest hardware doesn't mean that emerging markets can. I make a
> living out of providing these refurbished PCs to markets that do not
> have the resources for the newest.
>
> As an example, I've just recently built a Media Center with 20 PCs
> for
> a school in my area. Numerous companies tendered for the contract,
> of
> which I was the lucky winner. Had I chosen to quote them on new,
> Vista
> capable computers, this would not have been the case.
>
> The MAR program is essentially Microsoft's response to feedback from
> refurbishers that were looking for a simple modality to license and
> install the Windows operating system on large volumes of machines
> that
> had been basically thrown out. Microsoft could not say yes to
> Windows
> Vista, but it did agree to Windows XP.
>
> Microsoft could not say yes to Vista for this program, because the
> computers that "have been thrown out" are not capable of running
> Vista.
> Its not because Vista is rubbish, but because in this instance, XP
> is the
> better choice.
>
> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
> "Microsoft is offering a new license for refurbishers that is only
> available through the MAR program: Windows XP Home for Refurbished
> PCs
> and Windows XP Professional for Refurbished PCs. As long as the PCs
> that
> are being refurbished have a Certificate of Authenticity (COA), they
> can
> be easily licensed. Initially, we're offering these Windows XP
> licenses
> in English, French and Spanish. Right from the start, refurbishers
> will
> have the ability to ship anywhere in the world", Shakeel added
>
> As I said, this program is designed for emerging markets that cannot
> afford or have access to the newest hardware.
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> ____________________________________
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...
>
> - ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
> - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
> - 4GB DDR400
> - ASUS nVidia 6600
> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
> - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
> - Vista Ultimate x64
> - CodeGear Delphi 2007http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/

vista is not a "new os" they took xp and bloated and rearraged things adding
and changing things with no good reason....
What is so new about vista that you cannot have with XP?
Readyboost? lol you wouldnt need readyboost if the thing wasnt bloated in
the first place.
Sidebar? CRAP! The little things vista has more are not worth the upgrade
and most of them create problems like the horrid windows desktop search.

its just like they did with win98 and Me...
Win98 was good, Me was bloated too much for the current kernel to handle,
and everything kept crashing....

Vista is the same story...a bloated stinky version of XP.

Its not even a service pack.. since it adds trillions of more problems that
did not exist with XP.

I would call Vista CRAP PACK UNGRADE.




"Frank" <> wrote in message
news:u08L%...
> teyebeareeus wrote:
>
>>>It's all irrelevant...just like you are...lol!
>>
>>
>> Why is it irrelevant Frank? Many people may be wondering if they should
>> upgrade their computers to vista.
>
> Read the label capin' crunch. Vista is not XP+eye-candy...got it! Cause if
> you don't understand that...and I don't think you do...cause you keep
> comparing XP to Vista...then all comparisons will never wash. Vista is a
> new OS got it? New. Different. Works differently than XP does got it?
> So forget about comparing XP to Vista using the same hardware...won't
> wash.
>>
>> This is an article that includes an vista-xp comparison of speed..
>
> On the same hardware is a useless comparison.
>>
>> the article clearly states that "XP is nowhere near as resource hungry as
>> Windows Vista is"
>
> That is correct. But "saving" resources is useless, to a degree, and I'm
> speaking in Vista, resources not used are resources going to waste.
>>
>> I have been saying this for more than a year... gee whiz!
>
> Been saying what? That comparing XP to Vista on the same hardware, XP will
> be faster?
> Who cares, huh?
> Frank

Yet some TOTAL IDIOTS in here claim Vista runs faster than XP on the same
hardware!

THIS IS A LIE!





"Yeah-whatever" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "teyebeareeus" <> wrote in message
> news:4734f7f6$...
>> So much for vista being as fast or even faster than xp... Just imagine if
>> XP can run faster than Vista on old hardware, how much faster will it run
>> on new hardware?
>>
>> Vista fast? LOL not even in your dreams!
>>
>> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windo...rs-70506.shtml
>
> Well DUH! of course Vista won't perform well on older machines, just as XP
> wouldn't perform well on older machines before it, and 98 wouldn't perform
> well on older machines before it, and 95 wouldn't perform well on older
> machines before it, and so on. So the big revelation is what? ...Nothing
> new, that's what. Sheesh, having to "reach" for stuff now? Mac is/was the
> same way, big deal, it's part of the OS evolution. Ya want more from it,
> then you need more power to run it... Simple
>
>
> ---- Snip ---
>
>

who said no one denies this???

LOL I have seen at least 10 VISTA FANBOYS claim this in here!

This newsgroup is infested with a bunch of idiots!

Luck I am here and that raises the average IQ!





"dzomlija" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
>> So much for vista being as fast or even faster than xp... Just imagine
>> if XP can run faster than Vista on old hardware, how much faster will it
>> run on new hardware?
>>
>> Vista fast? LOL not even in your dreams!
>>
>> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windo...rs-70506.shtml
>>
>>
>
> No-one ever denied that XP runs better on _older_hardware_ than does
> Vista.
>
> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
>> Microsoft has chosen Windows XP over Windows Vista, its latest operating
>> system to breathe life into dead computers. After extending support for
>> XP, preparing the launch of the third and final service pack, as well as
>> extending the product's availability via the retail and original
>> equipment manufacturer channels until mid 2008, Microsoft is offering
>> its Windows platform dropped at the end of 2001 yet another way to
>> survive in the detriment of Vista. But the fact of the matter is that
>> the Redmond company had no alternative. Windows Vista is nothing short
>> of a resource hog, and in this context, the operating system is unfit to
>> run on obsolete computers.
>
> Well of course Vista is a resource hog. You can't exactly expect a
> modern OS such as Vista to run on obsolete hardware that was originally
> designed for it predessor [XP]?
>
> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
>> Obsolete, of course by the standards imposed by Vista itself. But when
>> it comes down to XP, there's an entirely different matter altogether. XP
>> is nowhere near as resource hungry as Windows Vista is. And in this
>> context, it is perfect to run on refurbished PCs. The introduction of
>> the Microsoft Authorized Refurbisher is designed to streamline the
>> process of associating Windows under volume licensing with refurbished
>> computers. The MAR program is designed to benefit the refurbishers
>> market with the tools necessary to keep Windows even on obsolete PCs.
>> And doing the math, that's quite a market.
>
> All computer hardware at some point becomes obsolete when it can no
> longer deal with the demands of new software. Have you never replaced
> your graphics card with a newer one just to be able to keep up with the
> demands of the latest games? The evolving demands of software will
> always be the driving force behind ever more powerful hardware.
>
> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
>> "Refurbished PCs are part of is what is referred to as the secondary PC
>> market. This market consists of computers that are currently out of use.
>> In 2004 Microsoft conducted a joint study with Gartner that focused on
>> the secondary market. What they found was 150 million PCs entered the
>> secondary market, and of those, approximately 20 million were
>> refurbished and resold. Today we project that this number is closer to
>> 28 million PCs, making refurbished PCs over 10 percent of the worldwide
>> PC market," explained Hani Shakeel, senior product manager of the
>> Genuine Windows Product Marketing team.
>
> This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Just because we are able to afford
> the latest hardware doesn't mean that emerging markets can. I make a
> living out of providing these refurbished PCs to markets that do not
> have the resources for the newest.
>
> As an example, I've just recently built a Media Center with 20 PCs for
> a school in my area. Numerous companies tendered for the contract, of
> which I was the lucky winner. Had I chosen to quote them on new, Vista
> capable computers, this would not have been the case.
>
> The MAR program is essentially Microsoft's response to feedback from
> refurbishers that were looking for a simple modality to license and
> install the Windows operating system on large volumes of machines that
> had been basically thrown out. Microsoft could not say yes to Windows
> Vista, but it did agree to Windows XP.
>
> Microsoft could not say yes to Vista for this program, because the
> computers that "have been thrown out" are not capable of running Vista.
> Its not because Vista is rubbish, but because in this instance, XP is the
> better choice.
>
> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
> "Microsoft is offering a new license for refurbishers that is only
> available through the MAR program: Windows XP Home for Refurbished PCs
> and Windows XP Professional for Refurbished PCs. As long as the PCs that
> are being refurbished have a Certificate of Authenticity (COA), they can
> be easily licensed. Initially, we're offering these Windows XP licenses
> in English, French and Spanish. Right from the start, refurbishers will
> have the ability to ship anywhere in the world", Shakeel added
>
> As I said, this program is designed for emerging markets that cannot
> afford or have access to the newest hardware.
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> ____________________________________
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...
>
> - ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
> - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
> - 4GB DDR400
> - ASUS nVidia 6600
> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
> - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
> - Vista Ultimate x64
> - CodeGear Delphi 2007http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/

you total idiot and liar...

no one has twisted anything but the vistaboys...

many have claimed vista is faster than XP on the same hardware PERIOD. No
ifs no buts...

this is a clear statement by people who dont know skit about computers!



"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> "No-one ever denied that XP runs better on..."
> AFAIK, you are correct.
> However some have reported better performance with Windows Vista on their
> specific hardware compared to a clean Install of Windows XP and Windows
> Vista.
> Some of the critics have twisted these specific instances to be claims by
> those that Windows Vista runs better on all hardware than Windows XP,
> which was clearly not the intent.
>
> "The evolving demands of software will..."
> I will partially disagree.
> It is not so much the software but the users that demand more of the
> software which thus drives the hardware.
> The root is we want more so the software and hardware must be made to do
> what we the customers want and will pay $ to get.
>
> "This isn't necessarily a bad thing."
> That is actually a good thing if it keeps resources in use and out of
> landfills etc.
> But critics often attempt to see through dark glasses.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "dzomlija" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
>>> So much for vista being as fast or even faster than xp... Just imagine
>>> if XP can run faster than Vista on old hardware, how much faster will it
>>> run on new hardware?
>>>
>>> Vista fast? LOL not even in your dreams!
>>>
>>> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windo...rs-70506.shtml
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No-one ever denied that XP runs better on _older_hardware_ than does
>> Vista.
>>
>> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
>>> Microsoft has chosen Windows XP over Windows Vista, its latest operating
>>> system to breathe life into dead computers. After extending support for
>>> XP, preparing the launch of the third and final service pack, as well as
>>> extending the product's availability via the retail and original
>>> equipment manufacturer channels until mid 2008, Microsoft is offering
>>> its Windows platform dropped at the end of 2001 yet another way to
>>> survive in the detriment of Vista. But the fact of the matter is that
>>> the Redmond company had no alternative. Windows Vista is nothing short
>>> of a resource hog, and in this context, the operating system is unfit to
>>> run on obsolete computers.
>>
>> Well of course Vista is a resource hog. You can't exactly expect a
>> modern OS such as Vista to run on obsolete hardware that was originally
>> designed for it predessor [XP]?
>>
>> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
>>> Obsolete, of course by the standards imposed by Vista itself. But when
>>> it comes down to XP, there's an entirely different matter altogether. XP
>>> is nowhere near as resource hungry as Windows Vista is. And in this
>>> context, it is perfect to run on refurbished PCs. The introduction of
>>> the Microsoft Authorized Refurbisher is designed to streamline the
>>> process of associating Windows under volume licensing with refurbished
>>> computers. The MAR program is designed to benefit the refurbishers
>>> market with the tools necessary to keep Windows even on obsolete PCs.
>>> And doing the math, that's quite a market.
>>
>> All computer hardware at some point becomes obsolete when it can no
>> longer deal with the demands of new software. Have you never replaced
>> your graphics card with a newer one just to be able to keep up with the
>> demands of the latest games? The evolving demands of software will
>> always be the driving force behind ever more powerful hardware.
>>
>> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
>>> "Refurbished PCs are part of is what is referred to as the secondary PC
>>> market. This market consists of computers that are currently out of use.
>>> In 2004 Microsoft conducted a joint study with Gartner that focused on
>>> the secondary market. What they found was 150 million PCs entered the
>>> secondary market, and of those, approximately 20 million were
>>> refurbished and resold. Today we project that this number is closer to
>>> 28 million PCs, making refurbished PCs over 10 percent of the worldwide
>>> PC market," explained Hani Shakeel, senior product manager of the
>>> Genuine Windows Product Marketing team.
>>
>> This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Just because we are able to afford
>> the latest hardware doesn't mean that emerging markets can. I make a
>> living out of providing these refurbished PCs to markets that do not
>> have the resources for the newest.
>>
>> As an example, I've just recently built a Media Center with 20 PCs for
>> a school in my area. Numerous companies tendered for the contract, of
>> which I was the lucky winner. Had I chosen to quote them on new, Vista
>> capable computers, this would not have been the case.
>>
>> The MAR program is essentially Microsoft's response to feedback from
>> refurbishers that were looking for a simple modality to license and
>> install the Windows operating system on large volumes of machines that
>> had been basically thrown out. Microsoft could not say yes to Windows
>> Vista, but it did agree to Windows XP.
>>
>> Microsoft could not say yes to Vista for this program, because the
>> computers that "have been thrown out" are not capable of running Vista.
>> Its not because Vista is rubbish, but because in this instance, XP is the
>> better choice.
>>
>> teyebeareeus;509075 Wrote:
>> "Microsoft is offering a new license for refurbishers that is only
>> available through the MAR program: Windows XP Home for Refurbished PCs
>> and Windows XP Professional for Refurbished PCs. As long as the PCs that
>> are being refurbished have a Certificate of Authenticity (COA), they can
>> be easily licensed. Initially, we're offering these Windows XP licenses
>> in English, French and Spanish. Right from the start, refurbishers will
>> have the ability to ship anywhere in the world", Shakeel added
>>
>> As I said, this program is designed for emerging markets that cannot
>> afford or have access to the newest hardware.
>>
>>
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