Windows XP Updates installing automatically when option disabled

I have set my Windows XP Update option to only download updates once I have
reviewed the updates.

I have used Windows XP for 2/3 years now and generally consider the
experience disastrous. I have not had so many problems running my own PC
(hanging, crashing etc.) since the mid 1980s. I also consider some of the
updates a violation of my privacy and could cause big problems with other
software on my PC (eg. Explorer 7 is not compatible with eBay's Turbolister 2
which I use extensively in the on-line selling part of my business).

However, I often find Windows XP Updates install themselves automatically
anyway (and automatically reboot my machine at inconvenient times too). I
found 12 updates automatically installed themselves on one of my machines
yesterday when I logged off, without me having any opportunity to review the
updates being installed. I just noticed that the same would have happened on
one of my machines if I had not noticed the option to 'Turn off' without
installation. I re-rentered my machine to see if I could review the Updates
and found I could not.

How I stop this? I have definitely set my Update options to allow me to
review Updates before installation, but it seems to ignore this at times.

Anothernetworknewbie wrote:
> I have set my Windows XP Update option to only download updates
> once I have reviewed the updates.
>
> I have used Windows XP for 2/3 years now and generally consider the
> experience disastrous. I have not had so many problems running my
> own PC (hanging, crashing etc.) since the mid 1980s. I also
> consider some of the updates a violation of my privacy and could
> cause big problems with other software on my PC (eg. Explorer 7 is
> not compatible with eBay's Turbolister 2 which I use extensively in
> the on-line selling part of my business).
>
> However, I often find Windows XP Updates install themselves
> automatically anyway (and automatically reboot my machine at
> inconvenient times too). I found 12 updates automatically installed
> themselves on one of my machines yesterday when I logged off,
> without me having any opportunity to review the updates being
> installed. I just noticed that the same would have happened on one
> of my machines if I had not noticed the option to 'Turn off'
> without installation. I re-rentered my machine to see if I could
> review the Updates and found I could not.
>
> How I stop this? I have definitely set my Update options to allow
> me to review Updates before installation, but it seems to ignore
> this at times.

So - don't set it to automatically update at all.

If you want more control over what goes on your system (you did *not* have
to update to IE7 for example) then visit http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/
periodically (at least the day after the second Tuesday of each month) and
scan for/install whatever updates you wish. There is nothing stating you
*have* to setup updates to automatically notify you, download or install.
You can - in Windows XP - turn that off and be responsible for it yourself.

What you have chosen is perhaps not the option for you. You are allowing
them to download and notify you... Just have it NOTIFY you and NOT
download/install. Then you have more control and still have the option of
having something else remind you to check for updates.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Shenan

You wrote:
'You are allowing them to download and notify you... Just have it NOTIFY you
and NOT download/install. Then you have more control and still have the
option of having something else remind you to check for updates.'

I thought the option that I have Windows XP set to IS to 'NOTIFY and NOT
download/install', but sometimes it just goes and downloads anyway, even
rebooting my machine to install when I have walked away from the machine for
5 minutes after chosing the option 'Don't install now' three or four times.

I know I didn't have to install E7. I did on one machine and deinstalled it,
then was careful to stop it being installed on my other machines, but I
understand it is going to be distributed via automatic update in September,
which is why I'm worried about it.

In any case shouldn't the option do what it 'says on the tin', ie. give me
the chance to review updates before installing. Installing updates on my
machine without me giving permission must surely be violating some sort of
law isn't it?



"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

> Anothernetworknewbie wrote:
> > I have set my Windows XP Update option to only download updates
> > once I have reviewed the updates.
> >
> > I have used Windows XP for 2/3 years now and generally consider the
> > experience disastrous. I have not had so many problems running my
> > own PC (hanging, crashing etc.) since the mid 1980s. I also
> > consider some of the updates a violation of my privacy and could
> > cause big problems with other software on my PC (eg. Explorer 7 is
> > not compatible with eBay's Turbolister 2 which I use extensively in
> > the on-line selling part of my business).
> >
> > However, I often find Windows XP Updates install themselves
> > automatically anyway (and automatically reboot my machine at
> > inconvenient times too). I found 12 updates automatically installed
> > themselves on one of my machines yesterday when I logged off,
> > without me having any opportunity to review the updates being
> > installed. I just noticed that the same would have happened on one
> > of my machines if I had not noticed the option to 'Turn off'
> > without installation. I re-rentered my machine to see if I could
> > review the Updates and found I could not.
> >
> > How I stop this? I have definitely set my Update options to allow
> > me to review Updates before installation, but it seems to ignore
> > this at times.
>
> So - don't set it to automatically update at all.
>
> If you want more control over what goes on your system (you did *not* have
> to update to IE7 for example) then visit http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/
> periodically (at least the day after the second Tuesday of each month) and
> scan for/install whatever updates you wish. There is nothing stating you
> *have* to setup updates to automatically notify you, download or install.
> You can - in Windows XP - turn that off and be responsible for it yourself.
>
> What you have chosen is perhaps not the option for you. You are allowing
> them to download and notify you... Just have it NOTIFY you and NOT
> download/install. Then you have more control and still have the option of
> having something else remind you to check for updates.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>
>

May I enlighten you on the truth?
Automatic updates have the "feature" to disturb you every now and then so
that you have better sense of how much time have passed. You can count the
number of times the pop-up appears saying:
A: Updates are installed, it's time to restart.
U: Not now, I'm working...
A: Em... what about now?
....
It also has a feature to train your concentration:
the default button or option is restart now, so if you are typing text and
accidentally hit "SPACE" or "ENTER", you'll have no chance to save. That
also trains your fast response on unexpected events.

And the moral of that is:
Automatic updates are good for you, so my first things to do after
installing windows are:
disable automatic updates, dismiss the dog, so I can find files faster,
remove the places in my computer. Shot the messenger and, check what's new
with windows -- Man, how I love that part when I'm in a hurry! And then I
reconfigure (turning everything upside-down) a lot of other lovely features
that Microsoft liberally added to their operating systems.


George Valkov



| Shenan
|
| You wrote:
| 'You are allowing them to download and notify you... Just have it NOTIFY
you
| and NOT download/install. Then you have more control and still have the
| option of having something else remind you to check for updates.'
|
| I thought the option that I have Windows XP set to IS to 'NOTIFY and NOT
| download/install', but sometimes it just goes and downloads anyway, even
| rebooting my machine to install when I have walked away from the machine
for
| 5 minutes after chosing the option 'Don't install now' three or four
times.
|
| I know I didn't have to install E7. I did on one machine and deinstalled
it,
| then was careful to stop it being installed on my other machines, but I
| understand it is going to be distributed via automatic update in
September,
| which is why I'm worried about it.
|
| In any case shouldn't the option do what it 'says on the tin', ie. give me
| the chance to review updates before installing. Installing updates on my
| machine without me giving permission must surely be violating some sort of
| law isn't it?
|
|
|
| "Shenan Stanley" wrote:
|
| > Anothernetworknewbie wrote:
| > > I have set my Windows XP Update option to only download updates
| > > once I have reviewed the updates.
| > >
| > > I have used Windows XP for 2/3 years now and generally consider the
| > > experience disastrous. I have not had so many problems running my
| > > own PC (hanging, crashing etc.) since the mid 1980s. I also
| > > consider some of the updates a violation of my privacy and could
| > > cause big problems with other software on my PC (eg. Explorer 7 is
| > > not compatible with eBay's Turbolister 2 which I use extensively in
| > > the on-line selling part of my business).
| > >
| > > However, I often find Windows XP Updates install themselves
| > > automatically anyway (and automatically reboot my machine at
| > > inconvenient times too). I found 12 updates automatically installed
| > > themselves on one of my machines yesterday when I logged off,
| > > without me having any opportunity to review the updates being
| > > installed. I just noticed that the same would have happened on one
| > > of my machines if I had not noticed the option to 'Turn off'
| > > without installation. I re-rentered my machine to see if I could
| > > review the Updates and found I could not.
| > >
| > > How I stop this? I have definitely set my Update options to allow
| > > me to review Updates before installation, but it seems to ignore
| > > this at times.
| >
| > So - don't set it to automatically update at all.
| >
| > If you want more control over what goes on your system (you did *not*
have
| > to update to IE7 for example) then visit
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/
| > periodically (at least the day after the second Tuesday of each month)
and
| > scan for/install whatever updates you wish. There is nothing stating
you
| > *have* to setup updates to automatically notify you, download or
install.
| > You can - in Windows XP - turn that off and be responsible for it
yourself.
| >
| > What you have chosen is perhaps not the option for you. You are
allowing
| > them to download and notify you... Just have it NOTIFY you and NOT
| > download/install. Then you have more control and still have the option
of
| > having something else remind you to check for updates.
| >
| > --
| > Shenan Stanley
| > MS-MVP
| > --
| > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
| > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
| >
| >
| >

Thanks George. I too have lost work dozens of times because of the
persistency of the auto reboot feature, which cannot as far as I can tell be
turned off.

Since posting this question I've rechecked what options I had set in
Windows, and found that they were on 'Automatic Download and Install'. The
funny thing is that I have reset the option from AUTOMATIC to 'NOTIFY and not
download/install' FOUR OR FIVE TIMES before on this PC, but it seems to keep
reverting to 'Automatic'. And this has not just happened with this PC but
also the other three that I have. The only explanation I can come up with is
that the Updates themselves are resetting the PC to Automatic Updates!!!!

So even a simple reset doesn't do it. Does this have something to do with
not downloading 'Genuine Advantage' (yes my version of Windows XP is genuine,
but I fail to see the advantage TO ME at least in downloading a 1.1MB
programme to allow Microsoft to test remotely that it is, and presumably
generally spy on my PC)?



"George Valkov" wrote:

> May I enlighten you on the truth?
> Automatic updates have the "feature" to disturb you every now and then so
> that you have better sense of how much time have passed. You can count the
> number of times the pop-up appears saying:
> A: Updates are installed, it's time to restart.
> U: Not now, I'm working...
> A: Em... what about now?
> ....
> It also has a feature to train your concentration:
> the default button or option is restart now, so if you are typing text and
> accidentally hit "SPACE" or "ENTER", you'll have no chance to save. That
> also trains your fast response on unexpected events.
>
> And the moral of that is:
> Automatic updates are good for you, so my first things to do after
> installing windows are:
> disable automatic updates, dismiss the dog, so I can find files faster,
> remove the places in my computer. Shot the messenger and, check what's new
> with windows -- Man, how I love that part when I'm in a hurry! And then I
> reconfigure (turning everything upside-down) a lot of other lovely features
> that Microsoft liberally added to their operating systems.
>
>
> George Valkov
>
>
>
> | Shenan
> |
> | You wrote:
> | 'You are allowing them to download and notify you... Just have it NOTIFY
> you
> | and NOT download/install. Then you have more control and still have the
> | option of having something else remind you to check for updates.'
> |
> | I thought the option that I have Windows XP set to IS to 'NOTIFY and NOT
> | download/install', but sometimes it just goes and downloads anyway, even
> | rebooting my machine to install when I have walked away from the machine
> for
> | 5 minutes after chosing the option 'Don't install now' three or four
> times.
> |
> | I know I didn't have to install E7. I did on one machine and deinstalled
> it,
> | then was careful to stop it being installed on my other machines, but I
> | understand it is going to be distributed via automatic update in
> September,
> | which is why I'm worried about it.
> |
> | In any case shouldn't the option do what it 'says on the tin', ie. give me
> | the chance to review updates before installing. Installing updates on my
> | machine without me giving permission must surely be violating some sort of
> | law isn't it?
> |
> |
> |
> | "Shenan Stanley" wrote:
> |
> | > Anothernetworknewbie wrote:
> | > > I have set my Windows XP Update option to only download updates
> | > > once I have reviewed the updates.
> | > >
> | > > I have used Windows XP for 2/3 years now and generally consider the
> | > > experience disastrous. I have not had so many problems running my
> | > > own PC (hanging, crashing etc.) since the mid 1980s. I also
> | > > consider some of the updates a violation of my privacy and could
> | > > cause big problems with other software on my PC (eg. Explorer 7 is
> | > > not compatible with eBay's Turbolister 2 which I use extensively in
> | > > the on-line selling part of my business).
> | > >
> | > > However, I often find Windows XP Updates install themselves
> | > > automatically anyway (and automatically reboot my machine at
> | > > inconvenient times too). I found 12 updates automatically installed
> | > > themselves on one of my machines yesterday when I logged off,
> | > > without me having any opportunity to review the updates being
> | > > installed. I just noticed that the same would have happened on one
> | > > of my machines if I had not noticed the option to 'Turn off'
> | > > without installation. I re-rentered my machine to see if I could
> | > > review the Updates and found I could not.
> | > >
> | > > How I stop this? I have definitely set my Update options to allow
> | > > me to review Updates before installation, but it seems to ignore
> | > > this at times.
> | >
> | > So - don't set it to automatically update at all.
> | >
> | > If you want more control over what goes on your system (you did *not*
> have
> | > to update to IE7 for example) then visit
> http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/
> | > periodically (at least the day after the second Tuesday of each month)
> and
> | > scan for/install whatever updates you wish. There is nothing stating
> you
> | > *have* to setup updates to automatically notify you, download or
> install.
> | > You can - in Windows XP - turn that off and be responsible for it
> yourself.
> | >
> | > What you have chosen is perhaps not the option for you. You are
> allowing
> | > them to download and notify you... Just have it NOTIFY you and NOT
> | > download/install. Then you have more control and still have the option
> of
> | > having something else remind you to check for updates.
> | >
> | > --
> | > Shenan Stanley
> | > MS-MVP
> | > --
> | > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> | > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> | >
> | >
> | >
>
>
>

Anothernetworknewbie wrote:
> I have set my Windows XP Update option to only download updates
> once I have reviewed the updates.
>
> I have used Windows XP for 2/3 years now and generally consider the
> experience disastrous. I have not had so many problems running my
> own PC (hanging, crashing etc.) since the mid 1980s. I also
> consider some of the updates a violation of my privacy and could
> cause big problems with other software on my PC (eg. Explorer 7 is
> not compatible with eBay's Turbolister 2 which I use extensively in
> the on-line selling part of my business).
>
> However, I often find Windows XP Updates install themselves
> automatically anyway (and automatically reboot my machine at
> inconvenient times too). I found 12 updates automatically installed
> themselves on one of my machines yesterday when I logged off,
> without me having any opportunity to review the updates being
> installed. I just noticed that the same would have happened on one
> of my machines if I had not noticed the option to 'Turn off'
> without installation. I re-rentered my machine to see if I could
> review the Updates and found I could not.
>
> How I stop this? I have definitely set my Update options to allow
> me to review Updates before installation, but it seems to ignore
> this at times.

Shenan Stanley wrote:
> So - don't set it to automatically update at all.
>
> If you want more control over what goes on your system (you did
> *not* have to update to IE7 for example) then visit
> http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ periodically (at least the day
> after the second Tuesday of each month) and scan for/install
> whatever updates you wish. There is nothing stating you *have* to
> setup updates to automatically notify you, download or install. You
> can - in Windows XP - turn that off and be responsible for it
> yourself.
>
> What you have chosen is perhaps not the option for you. You are
> allowing them to download and notify you... Just have it NOTIFY you
> and NOT download/install. Then you have more control and still
> have the option of having something else remind you to check for
> updates.

Anothernetworknewbie wrote:
> I thought the option that I have Windows XP set to IS to 'NOTIFY
> and NOT download/install', but sometimes it just goes and downloads
> anyway, even rebooting my machine to install when I have walked
> away from the machine for 5 minutes after chosing the option 'Don't
> install now' three or four times.
>
> I know I didn't have to install E7. I did on one machine and
> deinstalled it, then was careful to stop it being installed on my
> other machines, but I understand it is going to be distributed via
> automatic update in September, which is why I'm worried about it.
>
> In any case shouldn't the option do what it 'says on the tin', ie.
> give me the chance to review updates before installing. Installing
> updates on my machine without me giving permission must surely be
> violating some sort of law isn't it?

First off - no law is being broken. In accordance to the agreement you
*agree* to by continued use - you do not OWN the OS anyway. Microsoft is
allowing you to utilize it and they can take that away anytime they please.
(That's heavily paraphrased. hah) You can read more of the EULA (End-User
Licensing Agreement) by Start button --> RUN -->
%systemroot%\system32\eula.txt --> OK.

Secondly - what you said in your last post contradicts what you explained
happens... You have to recheck your settings and let me know which you
have...

Right-Click on "My Computer" and select "Properties". In the "Properties"
window, choose "Automatic Updates". You can have it set to 'Download
updates for me, but let me choose when to install them' (that setting will
get you that 'Install updates and Shutdown' option you mentioned...) or
'Notify me but don't automatically download or install them'. Either way
will get you 'notified' and both give you the ability to review the
updates - but you are more likely to 'accidentally' install with the first -
where it downloads them for you... Because it will show the shutdown option
if nothing else and many people will just click 'ok' before they notice the
option is no longer just "Shutdown"...

My suggestion remains the same if you want full control... I see no reason
to automate the process if you think you can take care of it yourself.
"Turn off Automatic Updates" and then just check
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ periodically.

I manage many thousands of machines - many with WSUS - some without. I have
never seen it 'just install and reboot' unless the settings were set to
automatically install. Was this machine ever part of a domain and possibly
connected to a SUS/WSUS server?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Anothernetworknewbie wrote:
> Thanks George. I too have lost work dozens of times because of the
> persistency of the auto reboot feature, which cannot as far as I
> can tell be turned off.

This is a matter of poor choice on your part. If you have it set to
download/notify (but not install) and you approve the installation - then
you have approved the consequences - which may include a reboot. Don't want
to face the consequences - don't start the installation.

As for *not* being able to turn off the annoyance - that is *not* entirely
true.
http://windowssecrets.com/comp/060302/#story1

Copy this into a notepad document:

<copy below here>

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Win dows\WindowsUpdate\AU]
"RebootRelaunchTimeoutEnabled"=dword:00000000
"NoAutoRebootWithLoggedOnUsers"=dword:00000001
"RebootRelaunchTimeout"=dword:0x0007d280

<copy above here>

5 lines - watch for wrapping... Save as "NoMoreNag.reg" and then
right-click and merge it into your system. Reboot.

Even if it nags (shouldn't) - it will do it once every year or so.

> Since posting this question I've rechecked what options I had set in
> Windows, and found that they were on 'Automatic Download and
> Install'. The funny thing is that I have reset the option from
> AUTOMATIC to 'NOTIFY and not download/install' FOUR OR FIVE TIMES
> before on this PC, but it seems to keep reverting to 'Automatic'.
> And this has not just happened with this PC but also the other
> three that I have. The only explanation I can come up with is that
> the Updates themselves are resetting the PC to Automatic
> Updates!!!!

Well - that does explain why your updates were installed and makes my other
post null and void as far as my asking you to check your settings. hah I
have not ever seen the updates reset this - on ANY machines that I manage.

> So even a simple reset doesn't do it. Does this have something to
> do with not downloading 'Genuine Advantage' (yes my version of
> Windows XP is genuine, but I fail to see the advantage TO ME at
> least in downloading a 1.1MB programme to allow Microsoft to test
> remotely that it is, and presumably generally spy on my PC)?

That's your choice - however - it only spies on your copy of Windows - not
your PC.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

As it would appear that AU is broken on the machine...

Start a free Windows Update support incident request:
https://support.microsoft.com/oas/de...spx?gprid=6527
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)
AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org


Anothernetworknewbie wrote:
> I have set my Windows XP Update option to only download updates once I
> have
> reviewed the updates.
>
> I have used Windows XP for 2/3 years now and generally consider the
> experience disastrous. I have not had so many problems running my own PC
> (hanging, crashing etc.) since the mid 1980s. I also consider some of the
> updates a violation of my privacy and could cause big problems with other
> software on my PC (eg. Explorer 7 is not compatible with eBay's
> Turbolister
> 2 which I use extensively in the on-line selling part of my business).
>
> However, I often find Windows XP Updates install themselves automatically
> anyway (and automatically reboot my machine at inconvenient times too). I
> found 12 updates automatically installed themselves on one of my machines
> yesterday when I logged off, without me having any opportunity to review
> the
> updates being installed. I just noticed that the same would have happened
> on
> one of my machines if I had not noticed the option to 'Turn off' without
> installation. I re-rentered my machine to see if I could review the
> Updates
> and found I could not.
>
> How I stop this? I have definitely set my Update options to allow me to
> review Updates before installation, but it seems to ignore this at times.

=?Utf-8?B?QW5vdGhlcm5ldHdvcmtuZXdiaWU=?= added these comments in
the current discussion du jour ...

> I have set my Windows XP Update option to only download
> updates once I have reviewed the updates.
>
> I have used Windows XP for 2/3 years now and generally
> consider the experience disastrous. I have not had so many
> problems running my own PC (hanging, crashing etc.) since the
> mid 1980s. I also consider some of the updates a violation of
> my privacy and could cause big problems with other software on
> my PC (eg. Explorer 7 is not compatible with eBay's
> Turbolister 2 which I use extensively in the on-line selling
> part of my business).
>
> However, I often find Windows XP Updates install themselves
> automatically anyway (and automatically reboot my machine at
> inconvenient times too). I found 12 updates automatically
> installed themselves on one of my machines yesterday when I
> logged off, without me having any opportunity to review the
> updates being installed. I just noticed that the same would
> have happened on one of my machines if I had not noticed the
> option to 'Turn off' without installation. I re-rentered my
> machine to see if I could review the Updates and found I could
> not.
>
> How I stop this? I have definitely set my Update options to
> allow me to review Updates before installation, but it seems
> to ignore this at times.
>
Your AV or malware protection may be turning it back on. My
Norton System Works 2006 thinks that turning off auto updates is
a security risk and I've caught it turning the damn thing on
without my knowledge as part of one if IT'S updates. Check around
and see if that may be happening to you. And, good luck in
stopping your problem(s)!

--
HP, aka Jerry

Shenan Stanley added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

> Anothernetworknewbie wrote:
>> I have set my Windows XP Update option to only download
>> updates once I have reviewed the updates.
>>
>> I have used Windows XP for 2/3 years now and generally
>> consider the experience disastrous. I have not had so many
>> problems running my own PC (hanging, crashing etc.) since the
>> mid 1980s. I also consider some of the updates a violation of
>> my privacy and could cause big problems with other software
>> on my PC (eg. Explorer 7 is not compatible with eBay's
>> Turbolister 2 which I use extensively in the on-line selling
>> part of my business).
>>
>> However, I often find Windows XP Updates install themselves
>> automatically anyway (and automatically reboot my machine at
>> inconvenient times too). I found 12 updates automatically
>> installed themselves on one of my machines yesterday when I
>> logged off, without me having any opportunity to review the
>> updates being installed. I just noticed that the same would
>> have happened on one of my machines if I had not noticed the
>> option to 'Turn off' without installation. I re-rentered my
>> machine to see if I could review the Updates and found I
>> could not.
>>
>> How I stop this? I have definitely set my Update options to
>> allow me to review Updates before installation, but it seems
>> to ignore this at times.
>
> So - don't set it to automatically update at all.
>
> If you want more control over what goes on your system (you
> did *not* have to update to IE7 for example) then visit
> http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ periodically (at least the
> day after the second Tuesday of each month) and scan
> for/install whatever updates you wish. There is nothing
> stating you *have* to setup updates to automatically notify
> you, download or install. You can - in Windows XP - turn that
> off and be responsible for it yourself.
>
> What you have chosen is perhaps not the option for you. You
> are allowing them to download and notify you... Just have it
> NOTIFY you and NOT download/install. Then you have more
> control and still have the option of having something else
> remind you to check for updates.
>
Basically how I do it, except that I do let the updater do the
install, I just prevent an auto download/install and I always set
my own RP before even allowing the D/L.

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HP, aka Jerry