Windowsupdate v4 to v5 solution!!!!

Hi all, I find the way to return from v5 windows update to v4.

Go to windowsupdate catalog page (http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp) and follow the link on left menu bar to windowsupdate, it goes to v4 and does not redirect to v5, U can install all updates you need without any problem!

BTW when returns to windowsupdate using IE menú... this goes to v5 again but you can manually goes to v4 using this way I find!

Hope this helps you!

Thanks a lot - worked for me!

>-----Original Message-----
>Hi all, I find the way to return from v5 windows update
to v4.
>
>Go to windowsupdate catalog page
(http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...log/en/default.
asp) and follow the link on left menu bar to
windowsupdate, it goes to v4 and does not redirect to v5,
U can install all updates you need without any problem!
>
>BTW when returns to windowsupdate using IE menú... this
goes to v5 again but you can manually goes to v4 using
this way I find!
>
>Hope this helps you!
>
>
>.
>

That is a temporary solution to a non issue.
Also if you are using Windows XP, soon V4 will not be an option for
updates.

If you have issues with V5 you should resolve them because you WILL be
using V5 sooner or later.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Gabriel P." <Gabriel P.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
newsB7E77CA-6675-4363-8AE1-...
> Hi all, I find the way to return from v5 windows update to v4.
>
> Go to windowsupdate catalog page
(http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp) and
follow the link on left menu bar to windowsupdate, it goes to v4 and
does not redirect to v5, U can install all updates you need without
any problem!
>
> BTW when returns to windowsupdate using IE menú... this goes to v5
again but you can manually goes to v4 using this way I find!
>
> Hope this helps you!

That is very nice that we should resolve our problems with WU5. However, if
you use the WU online help center and submit a problem, you will receive a
response from Microsoft stating that MS cannot help anyone with a ver5
problem because ver5 has not been officially launched and your support
request will be closed by MS.

If you then call Microsoft, you will be told by the support engineer that
Microsoft has not trained any engineers yet on WU5 and they will not help
when you call because they don't know anything about WU5. You are told to
call back after the official launch of version 5. Of course, that is only a
few days away and I don't see how Microsoft is going to train everyone by
then. Plus, MS has been pushing ver 5 to XP boxes which have auto updating
on automatic since July 29 and thus should have trained engineers ready to
assist anyone who had ver 5 silently installed on their box (or who went to
the MS web page and installed it themselves).

The support engineer I spoke with could not answer a single question I had
about WU5. My case was left unresolved. I have no history in ver.5. except
for what I have installed using ver.5 but no history from ver. 4. My
iuhist.xml file in C:\Program Files\WindowsUpdate\V4 is missing so even if I
could get back to ver. 4, I don't think I would have any history there any
longer. I know a bunch of users with XP Pro who have no history in ver. 5.
The Microsoft engineer I spoke with had no idea how I could be helped. I was
told to wait about a month and then call back as the engineers would be
trained by then on ver. 5! I was also told that MS was not currently pushing
ver. 5 to any XP boxes which is not true.

I was also told that ver5 requires you to have installed SP2 and I was
advised that if I do not intend to install SP2 (and I do not) that I should
continue to use ver4. I'm going to try this solution mentioned here. I have
also found directions for uninstalling ver 5 which I will try next. Others
have been successful in uninstalling ver5.




"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> That is a temporary solution to a non issue.
> Also if you are using Windows XP, soon V4 will not be an option for
> updates.
>
> If you have issues with V5 you should resolve them because you WILL be
> using V5 sooner or later.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "Gabriel P." <Gabriel P.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> newsB7E77CA-6675-4363-8AE1-...
> > Hi all, I find the way to return from v5 windows update to v4.
> >
> > Go to windowsupdate catalog page
> (http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp) and
> follow the link on left menu bar to windowsupdate, it goes to v4 and
> does not redirect to v5, U can install all updates you need without
> any problem!
> >
> > BTW when returns to windowsupdate using IE menú... this goes to v5
> again but you can manually goes to v4 using this way I find!
> >
> > Hope this helps you!
>
>

It sounds like a tech with less than no knowledge.
As you know a mini rollout started 29 July 2004.
V5 installs without SP2.

When did you attempt to submit an online support incident?
If before Thursday, that was the correct answer.
If after Thursday, a tech did not get the word of the mini rollout and
so was giving old information.
You could try again and see if it has changed.

As for the training aspect, that is probably more true than it should
be but unfortunately common throughout the industry, not just
Microsoft.

My history is intact.
That does nothing to explain why your histories is gone but it does
show it does not happen all the time.
The trick is to find out what the computers that lost the history have
in common that others do not.

V4 will be worthless for you shortly since V4 will soon cease to
function with Windows XP.
If you go that route, you may as well skip Windows Update in all forms
for your Windows XP computer.

Why do you not intend to install SP2?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Melelina" <> wrote in message
news:...
> That is very nice that we should resolve our problems with WU5.
However, if
> you use the WU online help center and submit a problem, you will
receive a
> response from Microsoft stating that MS cannot help anyone with a
ver5
> problem because ver5 has not been officially launched and your
support
> request will be closed by MS.
>
> If you then call Microsoft, you will be told by the support engineer
that
> Microsoft has not trained any engineers yet on WU5 and they will not
help
> when you call because they don't know anything about WU5. You are
told to
> call back after the official launch of version 5. Of course, that is
only a
> few days away and I don't see how Microsoft is going to train
everyone by
> then. Plus, MS has been pushing ver 5 to XP boxes which have auto
updating
> on automatic since July 29 and thus should have trained engineers
ready to
> assist anyone who had ver 5 silently installed on their box (or who
went to
> the MS web page and installed it themselves).
>
> The support engineer I spoke with could not answer a single question
I had
> about WU5. My case was left unresolved. I have no history in ver.5.
except
> for what I have installed using ver.5 but no history from ver. 4. My
> iuhist.xml file in C:\Program Files\WindowsUpdate\V4 is missing so
even if I
> could get back to ver. 4, I don't think I would have any history
there any
> longer. I know a bunch of users with XP Pro who have no history in
ver. 5.
> The Microsoft engineer I spoke with had no idea how I could be
helped. I was
> told to wait about a month and then call back as the engineers would
be
> trained by then on ver. 5! I was also told that MS was not currently
pushing
> ver. 5 to any XP boxes which is not true.
>
> I was also told that ver5 requires you to have installed SP2 and I
was
> advised that if I do not intend to install SP2 (and I do not) that I
should
> continue to use ver4. I'm going to try this solution mentioned
here. I have
> also found directions for uninstalling ver 5 which I will try next.
Others
> have been successful in uninstalling ver5.
>
>
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > That is a temporary solution to a non issue.
> > Also if you are using Windows XP, soon V4 will not be an option
for
> > updates.
> >
> > If you have issues with V5 you should resolve them because you
WILL be
> > using V5 sooner or later.
> >
> > --
> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> >
> >
> > "Gabriel P." <Gabriel P.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
> > newsB7E77CA-6675-4363-8AE1-...
> > > Hi all, I find the way to return from v5 windows update to v4.
> > >
> > > Go to windowsupdate catalog page
> > (http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp) and
> > follow the link on left menu bar to windowsupdate, it goes to v4
and
> > does not redirect to v5, U can install all updates you need
without
> > any problem!
> > >
> > > BTW when returns to windowsupdate using IE menú... this goes to
v5
> > again but you can manually goes to v4 using this way I find!
> > >
> > > Hope this helps you!
> >
> >
>
>

Sorry, I just saw this. You are right that ver 4 is no longer available to
XP users. Of course, that isn't stopping users trying to force it to be
available. There are a lot angry XP users right now. None of us want to run
auto updating enabled as a service or BITS on manual either. We want WU 4
back that doesn't require these services to be turned on.

I don't intend to install SP2 partly because I have a Visioneer USB scanner
(a really good one that I did not get cheap and is not very old) running W98
software on XP. I had to get a hack from Visioneer for this as this scanner
was the only one that Visioneer did not submit a driver for XP to MS. I am
reasonably sure SP2 will break this. I have no intention of spending $150
to buy a new scanner just so I can use SP2.

As I answered you a few minutes ago in a more recent message in this NG, I
and others don't consider SP2 to be for us. We consider it to be for dummies
and newbies. Now, if Microsoft has changed long standing policy and will no
longer allow us to get critical patches for XP unless we have SP2 then that
is about the only thing that would get me to upgrade but I would think there
would be lawsuits to stop that as I have read most businesses do not intend
to upgrade anytime soon and they would be very upset if they could not get
critical patches any longer for SP1.

Since I will never have my history in WU 5 to me there is no point in using
WU. I used it only because of the nice way it had my history. I will just
get my patches from MS download site in the future. That way they will be on
disk and easy to burn copies too. I have no intention of using auto updating
ever and I don't want MS nagging me about it. I am very careful before I
install any critical patch and I first read everything about it and then
read the Security forum and MS Help forum at DSLreports for issues
concerning the patch before I install. Auto updating is a terrible idea for
anyone except a newbie and a dummy and they won't be upgrading to SP2 so
this whole idea is rather useless. It would have been much better if MS had
simply come out with a stand alone new IE that has excellent security and
drops ActiveX and that could be installed on all current OSes. I never use
IE (except for WU and speed tests that use java applets) and MS should have
made IE uninstallable from Windows. If MS really cared about security these
two things are what they would have done instead of this silly SP2.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:ORd0$...
> It sounds like a tech with less than no knowledge.
> As you know a mini rollout started 29 July 2004.
> V5 installs without SP2.
>
> When did you attempt to submit an online support incident?
> If before Thursday, that was the correct answer.
> If after Thursday, a tech did not get the word of the mini rollout and
> so was giving old information.
> You could try again and see if it has changed.
>
> As for the training aspect, that is probably more true than it should
> be but unfortunately common throughout the industry, not just
> Microsoft.
>
> My history is intact.
> That does nothing to explain why your histories is gone but it does
> show it does not happen all the time.
> The trick is to find out what the computers that lost the history have
> in common that others do not.
>
> V4 will be worthless for you shortly since V4 will soon cease to
> function with Windows XP.
> If you go that route, you may as well skip Windows Update in all forms
> for your Windows XP computer.
>
> Why do you not intend to install SP2?
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "Melelina" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > That is very nice that we should resolve our problems with WU5.
> However, if
> > you use the WU online help center and submit a problem, you will
> receive a
> > response from Microsoft stating that MS cannot help anyone with a
> ver5
> > problem because ver5 has not been officially launched and your
> support
> > request will be closed by MS.
> >
> > If you then call Microsoft, you will be told by the support engineer
> that
> > Microsoft has not trained any engineers yet on WU5 and they will not
> help
> > when you call because they don't know anything about WU5. You are
> told to
> > call back after the official launch of version 5. Of course, that is
> only a
> > few days away and I don't see how Microsoft is going to train
> everyone by
> > then. Plus, MS has been pushing ver 5 to XP boxes which have auto
> updating
> > on automatic since July 29 and thus should have trained engineers
> ready to
> > assist anyone who had ver 5 silently installed on their box (or who
> went to
> > the MS web page and installed it themselves).
> >
> > The support engineer I spoke with could not answer a single question
> I had
> > about WU5. My case was left unresolved. I have no history in ver.5.
> except
> > for what I have installed using ver.5 but no history from ver. 4. My
> > iuhist.xml file in C:\Program Files\WindowsUpdate\V4 is missing so
> even if I
> > could get back to ver. 4, I don't think I would have any history
> there any
> > longer. I know a bunch of users with XP Pro who have no history in
> ver. 5.
> > The Microsoft engineer I spoke with had no idea how I could be
> helped. I was
> > told to wait about a month and then call back as the engineers would
> be
> > trained by then on ver. 5! I was also told that MS was not currently
> pushing
> > ver. 5 to any XP boxes which is not true.
> >
> > I was also told that ver5 requires you to have installed SP2 and I
> was
> > advised that if I do not intend to install SP2 (and I do not) that I
> should
> > continue to use ver4. I'm going to try this solution mentioned
> here. I have
> > also found directions for uninstalling ver 5 which I will try next.
> Others
> > have been successful in uninstalling ver5.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> > news:...
> > > That is a temporary solution to a non issue.
> > > Also if you are using Windows XP, soon V4 will not be an option
> for
> > > updates.
> > >
> > > If you have issues with V5 you should resolve them because you
> WILL be
> > > using V5 sooner or later.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> > >
> > >
> > > "Gabriel P." <Gabriel P.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
> > > newsB7E77CA-6675-4363-8AE1-...
> > > > Hi all, I find the way to return from v5 windows update to v4.
> > > >
> > > > Go to windowsupdate catalog page
> > > (http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp) and
> > > follow the link on left menu bar to windowsupdate, it goes to v4
> and
> > > does not redirect to v5, U can install all updates you need
> without
> > > any problem!
> > > >
> > > > BTW when returns to windowsupdate using IE menú... this goes to
> v5
> > > again but you can manually goes to v4 using this way I find!
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps you!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

My understanding is V5 is necessary for updates.
You should be able to get some updates as long as you have v5 whether
you have SP2 or not.
Except of course any updates that may be dependant on SP2.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Melelina" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Sorry, I just saw this. You are right that ver 4 is no longer
> available to
> XP users. Of course, that isn't stopping users trying to force it to
> be
> available. There are a lot angry XP users right now. None of us want
> to run
> auto updating enabled as a service or BITS on manual either. We
> want WU 4
> back that doesn't require these services to be turned on.
>
> I don't intend to install SP2 partly because I have a Visioneer USB
> scanner
> (a really good one that I did not get cheap and is not very old)
> running W98
> software on XP. I had to get a hack from Visioneer for this as this
> scanner
> was the only one that Visioneer did not submit a driver for XP to
> MS. I am
> reasonably sure SP2 will break this. I have no intention of
> spending $150
> to buy a new scanner just so I can use SP2.
>
> As I answered you a few minutes ago in a more recent message in this
> NG, I
> and others don't consider SP2 to be for us. We consider it to be for
> dummies
> and newbies. Now, if Microsoft has changed long standing policy and
> will no
> longer allow us to get critical patches for XP unless we have SP2
> then that
> is about the only thing that would get me to upgrade but I would
> think there
> would be lawsuits to stop that as I have read most businesses do not
> intend
> to upgrade anytime soon and they would be very upset if they could
> not get
> critical patches any longer for SP1.
>
> Since I will never have my history in WU 5 to me there is no point
> in using
> WU. I used it only because of the nice way it had my history. I will
> just
> get my patches from MS download site in the future. That way they
> will be on
> disk and easy to burn copies too. I have no intention of using auto
> updating
> ever and I don't want MS nagging me about it. I am very careful
> before I
> install any critical patch and I first read everything about it and
> then
> read the Security forum and MS Help forum at DSLreports for issues
> concerning the patch before I install. Auto updating is a terrible
> idea for
> anyone except a newbie and a dummy and they won't be upgrading to
> SP2 so
> this whole idea is rather useless. It would have been much better
> if MS had
> simply come out with a stand alone new IE that has excellent
> security and
> drops ActiveX and that could be installed on all current OSes. I
> never use
> IE (except for WU and speed tests that use java applets) and MS
> should have
> made IE uninstallable from Windows. If MS really cared about
> security these
> two things are what they would have done instead of this silly SP2.
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:ORd0$...
>> It sounds like a tech with less than no knowledge.
>> As you know a mini rollout started 29 July 2004.
>> V5 installs without SP2.
>>
>> When did you attempt to submit an online support incident?
>> If before Thursday, that was the correct answer.
>> If after Thursday, a tech did not get the word of the mini rollout
>> and
>> so was giving old information.
>> You could try again and see if it has changed.
>>
>> As for the training aspect, that is probably more true than it
>> should
>> be but unfortunately common throughout the industry, not just
>> Microsoft.
>>
>> My history is intact.
>> That does nothing to explain why your histories is gone but it does
>> show it does not happen all the time.
>> The trick is to find out what the computers that lost the history
>> have
>> in common that others do not.
>>
>> V4 will be worthless for you shortly since V4 will soon cease to
>> function with Windows XP.
>> If you go that route, you may as well skip Windows Update in all
>> forms
>> for your Windows XP computer.
>>
>> Why do you not intend to install SP2?
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>>
>>
>> "Melelina" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>> > That is very nice that we should resolve our problems with WU5.
>> However, if
>> > you use the WU online help center and submit a problem, you will
>> receive a
>> > response from Microsoft stating that MS cannot help anyone with a
>> ver5
>> > problem because ver5 has not been officially launched and your
>> support
>> > request will be closed by MS.
>> >
>> > If you then call Microsoft, you will be told by the support
>> > engineer
>> that
>> > Microsoft has not trained any engineers yet on WU5 and they will
>> > not
>> help
>> > when you call because they don't know anything about WU5. You
>> > are
>> told to
>> > call back after the official launch of version 5. Of course, that
>> > is
>> only a
>> > few days away and I don't see how Microsoft is going to train
>> everyone by
>> > then. Plus, MS has been pushing ver 5 to XP boxes which have
>> > auto
>> updating
>> > on automatic since July 29 and thus should have trained engineers
>> ready to
>> > assist anyone who had ver 5 silently installed on their box (or
>> > who
>> went to
>> > the MS web page and installed it themselves).
>> >
>> > The support engineer I spoke with could not answer a single
>> > question
>> I had
>> > about WU5. My case was left unresolved. I have no history in
>> > ver.5.
>> except
>> > for what I have installed using ver.5 but no history from ver. 4.
>> > My
>> > iuhist.xml file in C:\Program Files\WindowsUpdate\V4 is missing
>> > so
>> even if I
>> > could get back to ver. 4, I don't think I would have any history
>> there any
>> > longer. I know a bunch of users with XP Pro who have no history
>> > in
>> ver. 5.
>> > The Microsoft engineer I spoke with had no idea how I could be
>> helped. I was
>> > told to wait about a month and then call back as the engineers
>> > would
>> be
>> > trained by then on ver. 5! I was also told that MS was not
>> > currently
>> pushing
>> > ver. 5 to any XP boxes which is not true.
>> >
>> > I was also told that ver5 requires you to have installed SP2 and
>> > I
>> was
>> > advised that if I do not intend to install SP2 (and I do not)
>> > that I
>> should
>> > continue to use ver4. I'm going to try this solution mentioned
>> here. I have
>> > also found directions for uninstalling ver 5 which I will try
>> > next.
>> Others
>> > have been successful in uninstalling ver5.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in
>> > message
>> > news:...
>> > > That is a temporary solution to a non issue.
>> > > Also if you are using Windows XP, soon V4 will not be an option
>> for
>> > > updates.
>> > >
>> > > If you have issues with V5 you should resolve them because you
>> WILL be
>> > > using V5 sooner or later.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> > > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Gabriel P." <Gabriel P.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> message
>> > > newsB7E77CA-6675-4363-8AE1-...
>> > > > Hi all, I find the way to return from v5 windows update to
>> > > > v4.
>> > > >
>> > > > Go to windowsupdate catalog page
>> > > (http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp)
>> > > and
>> > > follow the link on left menu bar to windowsupdate, it goes to
>> > > v4
>> and
>> > > does not redirect to v5, U can install all updates you need
>> without
>> > > any problem!
>> > > >
>> > > > BTW when returns to windowsupdate using IE menú... this goes
>> > > > to
>> v5
>> > > again but you can manually goes to v4 using this way I find!
>> > > >
>> > > > Hope this helps you!
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Hi all again, currently I'm using Windows XP Spanish edition, and SP2 throws
an error because my OS is not in the same languaje... yeah! great...

I still using my way to Install updates using Windows update V4 (v5 don't
works well), please, don't close v4 until SP2 does not install on Windows
using non english locales

Thanks a lot,
Gabriel


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> My understanding is V5 is necessary for updates.
> You should be able to get some updates as long as you have v5 whether
> you have SP2 or not.
> Except of course any updates that may be dependant on SP2.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "Melelina" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > Sorry, I just saw this. You are right that ver 4 is no longer
> > available to
> > XP users. Of course, that isn't stopping users trying to force it to
> > be
> > available. There are a lot angry XP users right now. None of us want
> > to run
> > auto updating enabled as a service or BITS on manual either. We
> > want WU 4
> > back that doesn't require these services to be turned on.
> >
> > I don't intend to install SP2 partly because I have a Visioneer USB
> > scanner
> > (a really good one that I did not get cheap and is not very old)
> > running W98
> > software on XP. I had to get a hack from Visioneer for this as this
> > scanner
> > was the only one that Visioneer did not submit a driver for XP to
> > MS. I am
> > reasonably sure SP2 will break this. I have no intention of
> > spending $150
> > to buy a new scanner just so I can use SP2.
> >
> > As I answered you a few minutes ago in a more recent message in this
> > NG, I
> > and others don't consider SP2 to be for us. We consider it to be for
> > dummies
> > and newbies. Now, if Microsoft has changed long standing policy and
> > will no
> > longer allow us to get critical patches for XP unless we have SP2
> > then that
> > is about the only thing that would get me to upgrade but I would
> > think there
> > would be lawsuits to stop that as I have read most businesses do not
> > intend
> > to upgrade anytime soon and they would be very upset if they could
> > not get
> > critical patches any longer for SP1.
> >
> > Since I will never have my history in WU 5 to me there is no point
> > in using
> > WU. I used it only because of the nice way it had my history. I will
> > just
> > get my patches from MS download site in the future. That way they
> > will be on
> > disk and easy to burn copies too. I have no intention of using auto
> > updating
> > ever and I don't want MS nagging me about it. I am very careful
> > before I
> > install any critical patch and I first read everything about it and
> > then
> > read the Security forum and MS Help forum at DSLreports for issues
> > concerning the patch before I install. Auto updating is a terrible
> > idea for
> > anyone except a newbie and a dummy and they won't be upgrading to
> > SP2 so
> > this whole idea is rather useless. It would have been much better
> > if MS had
> > simply come out with a stand alone new IE that has excellent
> > security and
> > drops ActiveX and that could be installed on all current OSes. I
> > never use
> > IE (except for WU and speed tests that use java applets) and MS
> > should have
> > made IE uninstallable from Windows. If MS really cared about
> > security these
> > two things are what they would have done instead of this silly SP2.
> >
> > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> > news:ORd0$...
> >> It sounds like a tech with less than no knowledge.
> >> As you know a mini rollout started 29 July 2004.
> >> V5 installs without SP2.
> >>
> >> When did you attempt to submit an online support incident?
> >> If before Thursday, that was the correct answer.
> >> If after Thursday, a tech did not get the word of the mini rollout
> >> and
> >> so was giving old information.
> >> You could try again and see if it has changed.
> >>
> >> As for the training aspect, that is probably more true than it
> >> should
> >> be but unfortunately common throughout the industry, not just
> >> Microsoft.
> >>
> >> My history is intact.
> >> That does nothing to explain why your histories is gone but it does
> >> show it does not happen all the time.
> >> The trick is to find out what the computers that lost the history
> >> have
> >> in common that others do not.
> >>
> >> V4 will be worthless for you shortly since V4 will soon cease to
> >> function with Windows XP.
> >> If you go that route, you may as well skip Windows Update in all
> >> forms
> >> for your Windows XP computer.
> >>
> >> Why do you not intend to install SP2?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> >>
> >>
> >> "Melelina" <> wrote in message
> >> news:...
> >> > That is very nice that we should resolve our problems with WU5.
> >> However, if
> >> > you use the WU online help center and submit a problem, you will
> >> receive a
> >> > response from Microsoft stating that MS cannot help anyone with a
> >> ver5
> >> > problem because ver5 has not been officially launched and your
> >> support
> >> > request will be closed by MS.
> >> >
> >> > If you then call Microsoft, you will be told by the support
> >> > engineer
> >> that
> >> > Microsoft has not trained any engineers yet on WU5 and they will
> >> > not
> >> help
> >> > when you call because they don't know anything about WU5. You
> >> > are
> >> told to
> >> > call back after the official launch of version 5. Of course, that
> >> > is
> >> only a
> >> > few days away and I don't see how Microsoft is going to train
> >> everyone by
> >> > then. Plus, MS has been pushing ver 5 to XP boxes which have
> >> > auto
> >> updating
> >> > on automatic since July 29 and thus should have trained engineers
> >> ready to
> >> > assist anyone who had ver 5 silently installed on their box (or
> >> > who
> >> went to
> >> > the MS web page and installed it themselves).
> >> >
> >> > The support engineer I spoke with could not answer a single
> >> > question
> >> I had
> >> > about WU5. My case was left unresolved. I have no history in
> >> > ver.5.
> >> except
> >> > for what I have installed using ver.5 but no history from ver. 4.
> >> > My
> >> > iuhist.xml file in C:\Program Files\WindowsUpdate\V4 is missing
> >> > so
> >> even if I
> >> > could get back to ver. 4, I don't think I would have any history
> >> there any
> >> > longer. I know a bunch of users with XP Pro who have no history
> >> > in
> >> ver. 5.
> >> > The Microsoft engineer I spoke with had no idea how I could be
> >> helped. I was
> >> > told to wait about a month and then call back as the engineers
> >> > would
> >> be
> >> > trained by then on ver. 5! I was also told that MS was not
> >> > currently
> >> pushing
> >> > ver. 5 to any XP boxes which is not true.
> >> >
> >> > I was also told that ver5 requires you to have installed SP2 and
> >> > I
> >> was
> >> > advised that if I do not intend to install SP2 (and I do not)
> >> > that I
> >> should
> >> > continue to use ver4. I'm going to try this solution mentioned
> >> here. I have
> >> > also found directions for uninstalling ver 5 which I will try
> >> > next.
> >> Others
> >> > have been successful in uninstalling ver5.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in
> >> > message
> >> > news:...
> >> > > That is a temporary solution to a non issue.
> >> > > Also if you are using Windows XP, soon V4 will not be an option
> >> for
> >> > > updates.
> >> > >
> >> > > If you have issues with V5 you should resolve them because you
> >> WILL be
> >> > > using V5 sooner or later.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >> > > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > "Gabriel P." <Gabriel P.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> >> message
> >> > > newsB7E77CA-6675-4363-8AE1-...
> >> > > > Hi all, I find the way to return from v5 windows update to
> >> > > > v4.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Go to windowsupdate catalog page
> >> > > (http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp)
> >> > > and
> >> > > follow the link on left menu bar to windowsupdate, it goes to
> >> > > v4
> >> and
> >> > > does not redirect to v5, U can install all updates you need
> >> without
> >> > > any problem!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > BTW when returns to windowsupdate using IE menú... this goes
> >> > > > to
> >> v5
> >> > > again but you can manually goes to v4 using this way I find!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hope this helps you!
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

There will be a Spanish edition of XP SP2 shortly after the English version
is released. There are no plans to close V4 Windows Update - especially
since older OS will not be able to use V5 (As a guide, V*3* is still
available for NT4 users...)
___
Kari
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Gabriel P." <> wrote in message
news:E58D3CDE-4C1E-4B4D-9644-...
> Hi all again, currently I'm using Windows XP Spanish edition, and SP2
throws
> an error because my OS is not in the same languaje... yeah! great...
>
> I still using my way to Install updates using Windows update V4 (v5 don't
> works well), please, don't close v4 until SP2 does not install on Windows
> using non english locales
>
> Thanks a lot,
> Gabriel
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
> > My understanding is V5 is necessary for updates.
> > You should be able to get some updates as long as you have v5 whether
> > you have SP2 or not.
> > Except of course any updates that may be dependant on SP2.
> >
> > --
> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> >
> >
> > "Melelina" <> wrote in message
> > news:...
> > > Sorry, I just saw this. You are right that ver 4 is no longer
> > > available to
> > > XP users. Of course, that isn't stopping users trying to force it to
> > > be
> > > available. There are a lot angry XP users right now. None of us want
> > > to run
> > > auto updating enabled as a service or BITS on manual either. We
> > > want WU 4
> > > back that doesn't require these services to be turned on.
> > >
> > > I don't intend to install SP2 partly because I have a Visioneer USB
> > > scanner
> > > (a really good one that I did not get cheap and is not very old)
> > > running W98
> > > software on XP. I had to get a hack from Visioneer for this as this
> > > scanner
> > > was the only one that Visioneer did not submit a driver for XP to
> > > MS. I am
> > > reasonably sure SP2 will break this. I have no intention of
> > > spending $150
> > > to buy a new scanner just so I can use SP2.
> > >
> > > As I answered you a few minutes ago in a more recent message in this
> > > NG, I
> > > and others don't consider SP2 to be for us. We consider it to be for
> > > dummies
> > > and newbies. Now, if Microsoft has changed long standing policy and
> > > will no
> > > longer allow us to get critical patches for XP unless we have SP2
> > > then that
> > > is about the only thing that would get me to upgrade but I would
> > > think there
> > > would be lawsuits to stop that as I have read most businesses do not
> > > intend
> > > to upgrade anytime soon and they would be very upset if they could
> > > not get
> > > critical patches any longer for SP1.
> > >
> > > Since I will never have my history in WU 5 to me there is no point
> > > in using
> > > WU. I used it only because of the nice way it had my history. I will
> > > just
> > > get my patches from MS download site in the future. That way they
> > > will be on
> > > disk and easy to burn copies too. I have no intention of using auto
> > > updating
> > > ever and I don't want MS nagging me about it. I am very careful
> > > before I
> > > install any critical patch and I first read everything about it and
> > > then
> > > read the Security forum and MS Help forum at DSLreports for issues
> > > concerning the patch before I install. Auto updating is a terrible
> > > idea for
> > > anyone except a newbie and a dummy and they won't be upgrading to
> > > SP2 so
> > > this whole idea is rather useless. It would have been much better
> > > if MS had
> > > simply come out with a stand alone new IE that has excellent
> > > security and
> > > drops ActiveX and that could be installed on all current OSes. I
> > > never use
> > > IE (except for WU and speed tests that use java applets) and MS
> > > should have
> > > made IE uninstallable from Windows. If MS really cared about
> > > security these
> > > two things are what they would have done instead of this silly SP2.
> > >
> > > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> > > news:ORd0$...
> > >> It sounds like a tech with less than no knowledge.
> > >> As you know a mini rollout started 29 July 2004.
> > >> V5 installs without SP2.
> > >>
> > >> When did you attempt to submit an online support incident?
> > >> If before Thursday, that was the correct answer.
> > >> If after Thursday, a tech did not get the word of the mini rollout
> > >> and
> > >> so was giving old information.
> > >> You could try again and see if it has changed.
> > >>
> > >> As for the training aspect, that is probably more true than it
> > >> should
> > >> be but unfortunately common throughout the industry, not just
> > >> Microsoft.
> > >>
> > >> My history is intact.
> > >> That does nothing to explain why your histories is gone but it does
> > >> show it does not happen all the time.
> > >> The trick is to find out what the computers that lost the history
> > >> have
> > >> in common that others do not.
> > >>
> > >> V4 will be worthless for you shortly since V4 will soon cease to
> > >> function with Windows XP.
> > >> If you go that route, you may as well skip Windows Update in all
> > >> forms
> > >> for your Windows XP computer.
> > >>
> > >> Why do you not intend to install SP2?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Melelina" <> wrote in message
> > >> news:...
> > >> > That is very nice that we should resolve our problems with WU5.
> > >> However, if
> > >> > you use the WU online help center and submit a problem, you will
> > >> receive a
> > >> > response from Microsoft stating that MS cannot help anyone with a
> > >> ver5
> > >> > problem because ver5 has not been officially launched and your
> > >> support
> > >> > request will be closed by MS.
> > >> >
> > >> > If you then call Microsoft, you will be told by the support
> > >> > engineer
> > >> that
> > >> > Microsoft has not trained any engineers yet on WU5 and they will
> > >> > not
> > >> help
> > >> > when you call because they don't know anything about WU5. You
> > >> > are
> > >> told to
> > >> > call back after the official launch of version 5. Of course, that
> > >> > is
> > >> only a
> > >> > few days away and I don't see how Microsoft is going to train
> > >> everyone by
> > >> > then. Plus, MS has been pushing ver 5 to XP boxes which have
> > >> > auto
> > >> updating
> > >> > on automatic since July 29 and thus should have trained engineers
> > >> ready to
> > >> > assist anyone who had ver 5 silently installed on their box (or
> > >> > who
> > >> went to
> > >> > the MS web page and installed it themselves).
> > >> >
> > >> > The support engineer I spoke with could not answer a single
> > >> > question
> > >> I had
> > >> > about WU5. My case was left unresolved. I have no history in
> > >> > ver.5.
> > >> except
> > >> > for what I have installed using ver.5 but no history from ver. 4.
> > >> > My
> > >> > iuhist.xml file in C:\Program Files\WindowsUpdate\V4 is missing
> > >> > so
> > >> even if I
> > >> > could get back to ver. 4, I don't think I would have any history
> > >> there any
> > >> > longer. I know a bunch of users with XP Pro who have no history
> > >> > in
> > >> ver. 5.
> > >> > The Microsoft engineer I spoke with had no idea how I could be
> > >> helped. I was
> > >> > told to wait about a month and then call back as the engineers
> > >> > would
> > >> be
> > >> > trained by then on ver. 5! I was also told that MS was not
> > >> > currently
> > >> pushing
> > >> > ver. 5 to any XP boxes which is not true.
> > >> >
> > >> > I was also told that ver5 requires you to have installed SP2 and
> > >> > I
> > >> was
> > >> > advised that if I do not intend to install SP2 (and I do not)
> > >> > that I
> > >> should
> > >> > continue to use ver4. I'm going to try this solution mentioned
> > >> here. I have
> > >> > also found directions for uninstalling ver 5 which I will try
> > >> > next.
> > >> Others
> > >> > have been successful in uninstalling ver5.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in
> > >> > message
> > >> > news:...
> > >> > > That is a temporary solution to a non issue.
> > >> > > Also if you are using Windows XP, soon V4 will not be an option
> > >> for
> > >> > > updates.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If you have issues with V5 you should resolve them because you
> > >> WILL be
> > >> > > using V5 sooner or later.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > >> > > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "Gabriel P." <Gabriel P.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > >> message
> > >> > > newsB7E77CA-6675-4363-8AE1-...
> > >> > > > Hi all, I find the way to return from v5 windows update to
> > >> > > > v4.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Go to windowsupdate catalog page
> > >> > > (http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...en/default.asp)
> > >> > > and
> > >> > > follow the link on left menu bar to windowsupdate, it goes to
> > >> > > v4
> > >> and
> > >> > > does not redirect to v5, U can install all updates you need
> > >> without
> > >> > > any problem!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > BTW when returns to windowsupdate using IE menú... this goes
> > >> > > > to
> > >> v5
> > >> > > again but you can manually goes to v4 using this way I find!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Hope this helps you!
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >