WLM Online Folders via POP

I have quite a few "online" folders with my MSN mailbox that I use for filing
mail in my account. These folders are in the same area as my MSN Inbox and
are not "Storage Folders" on my local PC.

I can access these folders via MSN Explorer and also via WLM Desktop and
mail.live.com, but when using a different mail client and accessing my MSN
email via POP (at pop3.live.com). Is there any way to access these folders
outside of MSN Explorer, WLM Desktop, or mail.live.com?

A screenshot of my folders is located at:
http://www.ginab.net/images/folders.jpg

No, but what would wrong with accessing via http://mail.live.com?

By "different mail client" do you mean something like using Thunderbird?

--
Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...le/vandermolen


"CrazySaguaro" <> wrote in message news:E05C5B39-5067-4D4B-AE18-...
>I have quite a few "online" folders with my MSN mailbox that I use for filing
> mail in my account. These folders are in the same area as my MSN Inbox and
> are not "Storage Folders" on my local PC.
>
> I can access these folders via MSN Explorer and also via WLM Desktop and
> mail.live.com, but when using a different mail client and accessing my MSN
> email via POP (at pop3.live.com). Is there any way to access these folders
> outside of MSN Explorer, WLM Desktop, or mail.live.com?
>
> A screenshot of my folders is located at:
> http://www.ginab.net/images/folders.jpg
>

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:24:01 -0800, CrazySaguaro wrote:

> I have quite a few "online" folders with my MSN mailbox that I use for filing
> mail in my account. These folders are in the same area as my MSN Inbox and
> are not "Storage Folders" on my local PC.
>
> I can access these folders via MSN Explorer and also via WLM Desktop and
> mail.live.com, but when using a different mail client and accessing my MSN
> email via POP (at pop3.live.com). Is there any way to access these folders
> outside of MSN Explorer, WLM Desktop, or mail.live.com?
>
> A screenshot of my folders is located at:
> http://www.ginab.net/images/folders.jpg

POP3 is not a "synchronizing" protocol. It can only access the mailbox,
which appears to it as the "Inbox". There is no way to synchronize all
folders in any POP3 client. Only in an HTTPMail (DeltaSync) enabled client;
Windows Live Mail (DeltaSync), yes, MS Outlook Express (WebDAV), no.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

"Bill Kearney" <> wrote in message
news: t...

>> Is there any way to access these folders
>> outside of MSN Explorer, WLM Desktop, or mail.live.com?

> When Microsoft moved to the proprietary DeltaSync protocol it became
> impossible to use anyting other than their client software to access
> anything other than the Inbox folder. This move cut off any other mail
> client from being able to access the folders.

That actually happened with the move to the proprietary "WebDAV" protocol,
around 1999.

The move from "WebDAV" to "DeltaSync" happened about ten years later, and
cut of a handful of older MS products which understood "WebDAV", but do not
understand "DeltaSync".

> One alternative is to use WLM desktop to access both the online account
> and a separate IMAP account. Then you could drag messages from one to the
> other.

WLMail understands "DeltaSync", and going that way through an IMAP account
just adds needless extra steps.

> Until MS documents the Deltasync protocol (or someone reverse engineers
> it) there will be no alternative client access.

MS never documented "WebDAV" in the ten years that they used it for webmail.
I doubt that will change for "DeltaSync".

> Or the servers get IMAP interfaces added to them. This is what all the
> other online systems have provided.

Except Yahoo!.

> MS chose to use a proprietary format instead of the open one everyone
> else uses. Not a great plan for their customers.

Actually, it is a good plan, by some standards. "DeltaSync" allows the
synchronization of much more than just email. It is another step in the
direction of "cloud computing".

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

The op appears to be using an Msn.com, Hotmail.com, or Live.com account.
IMAP does not apply.

Setting up each account in WLM as an http account using DeltaSync will achieve the required results)

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Bill Kearney" <> wrote in message news: t...
>> Is there any way to access these folders
>> outside of MSN Explorer, WLM Desktop, or mail.live.com?
>
> When Microsoft moved to the proprietary DeltaSync protocol it became
> impossible to use anyting other than their client software to access
> anything other than the Inbox folder. This move cut off any other mail
> client from being able to access the folders.
>
> One alternative is to use WLM desktop to access both the online account and
> a separate IMAP account. Then you could drag messages from one to the
> other.
>
> Until MS documents the Deltasync protocol (or someone reverse engineers it)
> there will be no alternative client access.
>
> Or the servers get IMAP interfaces added to them. This is what all the
> other online systems have provided. MS chose to use a proprietary format
> instead of the open one everyone else uses. Not a great plan for their
> customers.
>
> -Bill Kearney
>

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:27:51 -0500, Bill Kearney wrote:

>> The move from "WebDAV" to "DeltaSync" happened about ten years later, and
>> cut of a handful of older MS products which understood "WebDAV", but do
>> not understand "DeltaSync".

> Along with many other products from other sources that understood the DAV
> interface.

DAV covers a lot of territory, I think. WebDAV was a paricular subset of DAV
which applied to Web access to an email account.

>> MS never documented "WebDAV" in the ten years that they used it for
>> webmail. I doubt that will change for "DeltaSync".

> So being screwed again makes it right in your book.

Ah; you do know what they say about, "assume", yes? When you jump to a
conclusion, you should look down, first. The ground may be farther away than
you think!

>> Actually, it is a good plan, by some standards. "DeltaSync" allows the
>> synchronization of much more than just email. It is another step in the
>> direction of "cloud computing".

> Tasty koolaid there?

I wouldn't know. I haven't be drinking it. Just because I know where
Microsoft wants to take people, does not mean I am going along.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

Afaik, only 3 products support(ed) WebDAV, the protocol for previously used for Microsoft Hotmail accounts(hotmail.com, msn.com)
and also pre-dates availability of the other Hotmail capable domain(live.com)accounts.

The WebDAV capable Msft software were OE, OL, and Msn Explorer...their current status
- OE support discontinued
- OL support discontinued and replaced by the Outlook Connector using DeltaSync
- MSN Explorer 9.6 or later supports DeltaSync(WebDAV's replacement)

DAV as Norman mentioned is an entirely different issue.

--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"Bill Kearney" <> wrote in message news: t...
>> The move from "WebDAV" to "DeltaSync" happened about ten years later, and cut of a handful of older MS products which understood
>> "WebDAV", but do not understand "DeltaSync".
>
> Along with many other products from other sources that understood the DAV interface.
>
>> MS never documented "WebDAV" in the ten years that they used it for webmail. I doubt that will change for "DeltaSync".
>
> So being screwed again makes it right in your book.
>
>> Actually, it is a good plan, by some standards. "DeltaSync" allows the synchronization of much more than just email. It is
>> another step in the direction of "cloud computing".
>
> Tasty koolaid there?