Word docs open as Read-Only from Vista clients

Hi
I have a windows server 2003 standard edition with some Vista Ultimate
clients. From those clients we open and edit documents placed in the server
2003. When I double click a Word document sometimes opens as “read-only�.
This means that I have always to save the document with a different name in
order to make changes. I notice that if I close the read only doc and double
click on it again, opens with not the read only property. As I mention above
all this happens sometimes. Perhaps a documents which opens normally today,
tomorrow open as read only. Those docs were created with Word 2003 in XP
clients. Now we also use Word 2003 but in Vista Ultimate clients. Any help?

Thanks a lot!

"John" <> wrote in message
news:67FA0643-02A2-4124-B179-...
> Hi
> I have a windows server 2003 standard edition with some Vista Ultimate
> clients. From those clients we open and edit documents placed in the
> server
> 2003. When I double click a Word document sometimes opens as "read-only".
> This means that I have always to save the document with a different name
> in
> order to make changes. I notice that if I close the read only doc and
> double
> click on it again, opens with not the read only property. As I mention
> above
> all this happens sometimes. Perhaps a documents which opens normally
> today,
> tomorrow open as read only. Those docs were created with Word 2003 in XP
> clients. Now we also use Word 2003 but in Vista Ultimate clients. Any
> help?
>
> Thanks a lot!
>

Open the file (hopefully as read only) and then open Computer Management -
connect to your server. Go to System Tools - Shared Folders - Open Files.
Look for your User ID and the file. Does it show it as being locked?

The date and time was 9/24/2008 4:40 AM, and on a whim, John pounded out
on the keyboard:

> Hi
> I have a windows server 2003 standard edition with some Vista Ultimate
> clients. From those clients we open and edit documents placed in the server
> 2003. When I double click a Word document sometimes opens as “read-only�.
> This means that I have always to save the document with a different name in
> order to make changes. I notice that if I close the read only doc and double
> click on it again, opens with not the read only property. As I mention above
> all this happens sometimes. Perhaps a documents which opens normally today,
> tomorrow open as read only. Those docs were created with Word 2003 in XP
> clients. Now we also use Word 2003 but in Vista Ultimate clients. Any help?
>
> Thanks a lot!
>

Hi John,

Are these shared folders on the network? Could by chance someone have
the same document open at the same time?

If they are private folders, do the users have full permissions in them?

If the documents are on the workstation locally, does it ever happen?
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"Terry R." wrote:

> The date and time was 9/24/2008 4:40 AM, and on a whim, John pounded out
> on the keyboard:
>
> > Hi
> > I have a windows server 2003 standard edition with some Vista Ultimate
> > clients. From those clients we open and edit documents placed in the server
> > 2003. When I double click a Word document sometimes opens as “read-only�.
> > This means that I have always to save the document with a different name in
> > order to make changes. I notice that if I close the read only doc and double
> > click on it again, opens with not the read only property. As I mention above
> > all this happens sometimes. Perhaps a documents which opens normally today,
> > tomorrow open as read only. Those docs were created with Word 2003 in XP
> > clients. Now we also use Word 2003 but in Vista Ultimate clients. Any help?
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
>
> Hi John,
>
> Are these shared folders on the network? Could by chance someone have
> the same document open at the same time?
>
> If they are private folders, do the users have full permissions in them?
>
> If the documents are on the workstation locally, does it ever happen?
> --
> Terry R.
>
> ***Reply Note***
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>



Hi
Here are the answers
>Are these shared folders on the network?
Their physical location is on drive D of server.

>Could by chance someone have the same document open at the same time?
No! We have checked this case!

> If they are private folders, do the users have full permissions in them?
The problem regards documents placed in folders which are not private. In
those folders have access a lot of employees and we have set full access
permissions for all of them. With the previous PCs (windows xp) we didn’t
face this problem.

> If the documents are on the workstation locally, does it ever happen?
We don’t notice something wrong. But I am not 100% sure because this problem
happens randomly!

At the end, to mention again that when I re-open a document with the read
only property opens without this property.

Thanks!

The date and time was 9/25/2008 4:16 AM, and on a whim, John pounded out
on the keyboard:

>
> "Terry R." wrote:
>
>> The date and time was 9/24/2008 4:40 AM, and on a whim, John pounded out
>> on the keyboard:
>>
>>> Hi
>>> I have a windows server 2003 standard edition with some Vista Ultimate
>>> clients. From those clients we open and edit documents placed in the server
>>> 2003. When I double click a Word document sometimes opens as “read-only�.
>>> This means that I have always to save the document with a different name in
>>> order to make changes. I notice that if I close the read only doc and double
>>> click on it again, opens with not the read only property. As I mention above
>>> all this happens sometimes. Perhaps a documents which opens normally today,
>>> tomorrow open as read only. Those docs were created with Word 2003 in XP
>>> clients. Now we also use Word 2003 but in Vista Ultimate clients. Any help?
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot!
>>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Are these shared folders on the network? Could by chance someone have
>> the same document open at the same time?
>>
>> If they are private folders, do the users have full permissions in them?
>>
>> If the documents are on the workstation locally, does it ever happen?

>>
>
>
>
> Hi
> Here are the answers
>> Are these shared folders on the network?
> Their physical location is on drive D of server.
>

Drive D? Is this a domain or just a workgroup?

>> Could by chance someone have the same document open at the same time?
> No! We have checked this case!
>
>> If they are private folders, do the users have full permissions in them?
> The problem regards documents placed in folders which are not private. In
> those folders have access a lot of employees and we have set full access
> permissions for all of them. With the previous PCs (windows xp) we didn’t
> face this problem.
>

So the only difference is the OS, correct? Everyone is using MSO2003.

>> If the documents are on the workstation locally, does it ever happen?
> We don’t notice something wrong. But I am not 100% sure because this problem
> happens randomly!

It would be nice to test this. Work locally with a known problematic
file and find out if it's strictly related to the server.

>
> At the end, to mention again that when I re-open a document with the read
> only property opens without this property.
>
> Thanks!
>

Does this happen only to files that are existing and have been edited
over and over, or does it happen to newly created files also?

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Hi

>Drive D? Is this a domain or just a workgroup?
On server we have created a domain (Active Directory). Vista clients are
members of this domain.

>So the only difference is the OS, correct? Everyone is using MSO2003.
Yes! the only difference is the OS, everyone use MSO2003

>It would be nice to test this. Work locally with a known problematic file and find out if it's strictly related to the server.
I believe this problem is related to the server. We don’t notice something
wrong when we work locally. Its little difficult to test this because the
problem happens randomly. There are not docs which have this problem all the
time.

>Does this happen only to files that are existing and have been edited over and over, or does it happen to newly created files also?
Yes this happen only to files that are existing and have been edited over
and over. We don’t notice any problem with newly crated files.

Thanks a lot!





"Terry R." wrote:

> The date and time was 9/25/2008 4:16 AM, and on a whim, John pounded out
> on the keyboard:
>
> >
> > "Terry R." wrote:
> >
> >> The date and time was 9/24/2008 4:40 AM, and on a whim, John pounded out
> >> on the keyboard:
> >>
> >>> Hi
> >>> I have a windows server 2003 standard edition with some Vista Ultimate
> >>> clients. From those clients we open and edit documents placed in the server
> >>> 2003. When I double click a Word document sometimes opens as “read-only�.
> >>> This means that I have always to save the document with a different name in
> >>> order to make changes. I notice that if I close the read only doc and double
> >>> click on it again, opens with not the read only property. As I mention above
> >>> all this happens sometimes. Perhaps a documents which opens normally today,
> >>> tomorrow open as read only. Those docs were created with Word 2003 in XP
> >>> clients. Now we also use Word 2003 but in Vista Ultimate clients. Any help?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot!
> >>>
> >> Hi John,
> >>
> >> Are these shared folders on the network? Could by chance someone have
> >> the same document open at the same time?
> >>
> >> If they are private folders, do the users have full permissions in them?
> >>
> >> If the documents are on the workstation locally, does it ever happen?
>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi
> > Here are the answers
> >> Are these shared folders on the network?
> > Their physical location is on drive D of server.
> >
>
> Drive D? Is this a domain or just a workgroup?
>
> >> Could by chance someone have the same document open at the same time?
> > No! We have checked this case!
> >
> >> If they are private folders, do the users have full permissions in them?
> > The problem regards documents placed in folders which are not private. In
> > those folders have access a lot of employees and we have set full access
> > permissions for all of them. With the previous PCs (windows xp) we didn’t
> > face this problem.
> >
>
> So the only difference is the OS, correct? Everyone is using MSO2003.
>
> >> If the documents are on the workstation locally, does it ever happen?
> > We don’t notice something wrong. But I am not 100% sure because this problem
> > happens randomly!
>
> It would be nice to test this. Work locally with a known problematic
> file and find out if it's strictly related to the server.
>
> >
> > At the end, to mention again that when I re-open a document with the read
> > only property opens without this property.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>
> Does this happen only to files that are existing and have been edited
> over and over, or does it happen to newly created files also?
>
> --
> Terry R.
>
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The date and time was 9/26/2008 2:56 AM, and on a whim, John pounded out
on the keyboard:

> Hi
>
>> Drive D? Is this a domain or just a workgroup?
> On server we have created a domain (Active Directory). Vista clients are
> members of this domain.
>
>> So the only difference is the OS, correct? Everyone is using MSO2003.
> Yes! the only difference is the OS, everyone use MSO2003
>
>> It would be nice to test this. Work locally with a known problematic file and find out if it's strictly related to the server.
> I believe this problem is related to the server. We don’t notice something
> wrong when we work locally. Its little difficult to test this because the
> problem happens randomly. There are not docs which have this problem all the
> time.
>
>> Does this happen only to files that are existing and have been edited over and over, or does it happen to newly created files also?
> Yes this happen only to files that are existing and have been edited over
> and over. We don’t notice any problem with newly crated files.
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
>
>

Then it sounds like there might be some header info in the file that
might be causing it. Try copying the info in a problematic file and
pasting it into a new file and saving. Test open the new file
repeatedly. Report back.

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Terry R. wrote:
> The date and time was 9/26/2008 2:56 AM, and on a whim, John pounded out
> on the keyboard:
>
>> Hi
>>
>>> Drive D? Is this a domain or just a workgroup?
>> On server we have created a domain (Active Directory). Vista clients
>> are members of this domain.
>>
>>> So the only difference is the OS, correct? Everyone is using MSO2003.
>> Yes! the only difference is the OS, everyone use MSO2003
>>
>>> It would be nice to test this. Work locally with a known problematic
>>> file and find out if it's strictly related to the server.
>> I believe this problem is related to the server. We don’t notice
>> something wrong when we work locally. Its little difficult to test
>> this because the problem happens randomly. There are not docs which
>> have this problem all the time.
>>
>>> Does this happen only to files that are existing and have been edited
>>> over and over, or does it happen to newly created files also?
>> Yes this happen only to files that are existing and have been edited
>> over and over. We don’t notice any problem with newly crated files.
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Then it sounds like there might be some header info in the file that
> might be causing it. Try copying the info in a problematic file and
> pasting it into a new file and saving. Test open the new file
> repeatedly. Report back.
>


Just a thought at random, could this be something to do with the
timestamp on the files, for example are the machines' clocks running in
sync? I seem to recall reading somewhere that Vista is pretty sensitive
to time settings.

John
I have the same issue. The only difference is that I have a w2k serve
but the symptoms sound the same. A user will open a doc and it opens a
read only. I have also then closed a document that opened as read onl
and reopened and it is no longer readonly.

Any chance these users have roaming profiles. I just found that min
do. I am going to test removing one and see what happens. Not sure wh
they have them as they do not roam. I'll let you kow the result

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