First of all, you got it all wrong.
People supporting "regulated" free trade and free market economy don't
equate to supporting poisonous products and unethical business practice.
Nobody ever suggested those business shouldn't been punished, or severely
punished.
Your concepts are still in the 18th century's pure capitalism, which has
been dead for very long.
Wake up, comrade.
As everyone is at the different stage of maturity and knowledge level, so is
every country at different development stage. Some are more mature and
developed than others.
As a society in general, how do we treat younger people who are yet
developed to the level of maturity and knowledge as an educated adult? We
provide guidance, education, and training to them, and as time goes by, we
expect them to grow and become one. We do not just kill them because they
have not reached to our expectations just yet!!
If you care to study the development history of most developed countries,
you would have noticed that it took us very long and many people's precious
lives to get where we are today.
It is for the same reason for many of us to providing assistances to other
countries that have not reached to the same level of maturity and
development.
All those problems you have highlighted are there, but it is not exclusive
in those countries, and it is not justified enough for bring us back to the
primitive age as you suggested.
We need to solve those problems but not using those drastic approaches as
you suggested to destroy the entire system.
Also think about this way, you wouldn't even have a chance to get an MSEE
degree without the system, and now you want to take it away from someone
else because you may have suffered for reasons we may or may not know?
How selfish you are!!!
A concept of "continuous improvement" has been introduced for more than half
a decade ago, and essentially, it tells us that as an individual, business
entity, or a country, we must to improve continuously, or sooner or later,
we will be replaced by others.
Unfortunately, this concept has yet to be fully recognized and adopted by
the majority of people and business, and that is also one major reason for
many of them have been voted out from the market.
It's an imperfect world because we, human beings, are imperfect. We could
only choose a better system and continuously improve it for the benefits of
all.
What you are proposing, on the other hand, is to bring us back to the stone
age and many of us will not let it happen.
What you call FAIR is what would benefit ONLY yourself, but many of us call
it - status quo and entitlement.
What many of us considered as FAIR, is to have the equal opportunities to
learn and grow and develop as an individual and/or country, just like you
have been given.
Do not play this "us against them" trick since it is outdated.
You are a selfish individual, and by all means, a coward who has no courage
for facing challenges or working with your former people for solving
problems and moving forward. All you do is to spreading hatred and blaming
others for your own difficulties for reason that may or may not be totally
justified.
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> Listen to me:
>
> To start a business or operate a giant polluting, petro-chemical, pharma,
> semiconductors or battery businesses (which happen to release Heavy
> Metals); a Chinese entrepreneur need not worry about pollution, Clean Air
> act, or care about villagers dying from swimming in seemingly harmelss
> river. Go ahead and paint your products with led paint, go ahead and feed
> slamon with carcirogenic foodistock.
>
> Then GO AHEAD AND SELL IT TO AMERICA BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO INSIST
> ON BUYING CHEAP PLASTIC CRAP, thereby destroying American working class.
>
> Now forget about 'working class", both Bush & Obama talk about
> "retraining" & skills improvement. Excuse me???
> Do they expect me to get a PhD in Burger Flipping?
>
> That's where it's coming to! I have MSEE, what else do I need? A PhD??
> Because someone in Shanghai does the same job for a few dollars/hour
> because their cost of livign is so much lower, their busienss can pollute
> and never spend $BILLIONS on environment, is there unemployment or
> disability, etc insurance at CHinese factories? if it exists, it's a
> joke. It's nonexistant, practically, i't s on paper.
> What does that mean to an entrepreneur? A gigantic advantage over Western
> companies. My boss is struglling to deal with led & heavy metals produced
> out of our Amplfiers assembly floor.
> I imagine him if not in Beijing where starndards are higher, but some God
> forsaken village in Guangzhou, he'd dump into a local rivfer, and be done!
> Then sell super cheap amplifers to YOU. So you don't get this job.
>
> If this continues, McDinalds, BurgerKing and Sales/retail will be the new
> 'career" opportunities. These "careers" are retarded, intellectually
> demeaning, uninteresting, depressing and to me plain suicidal.
> I love my profession and you know why? It's one of the ONLY 3 learned
> professions of mankind - a doctor, a lawyer, and an engineer. A Tco Bll
> server is not a profession, but if you see th epurpose of ypour life in
> frying or maybe paving asphalt, or calling people moaning & begging to buy
> somethign useless, then of course you will like the Trade imbalance.
>
> It's fine to buy their goods IF and ONLY if they buy equally from us,
> listen to me, it's been disocvered centiries ago by French revolution,
> then Karl Marx,ben Franklin, you name it. It does NO tmatter capitalist
> or communist - all agree, a country which buys more than it sells, is
> bound for destruction. And it's not quality alone, it's important to sell
> knowledge-based goods which are hard to duplicate with same high quality,
> and buy raw materials which are EASY to find elsewhere or can be replaced
> w/new technology if your supplier gets nasty.
>
> You have to keep trade partners on a leash or they keep you on a leash -
> we're now enslaved by MiddleEast for energy, and Asia for manufacturing;
> and that alone can be somewhat tolerated because we simply finish off
> MiddleEas tin 40 years and switch to Hydrogen, and we were lettign Chiense
> to remain in low-quality, low-tech manufacturing. What happened now is we
> allowed to export skillful, high-tech white collar jobs ALSO. This is
> unacceptable. It's one thing to diecast a basic wrench (tool) for $2, and
> another when I call tollfree (800) to check on shipping sttaus of a
> digital highprecision caliper (micrometer) I suddenly sense CHiense
> accept, my eyes roll up? I ask where shipping from? She says Beijing!
> HELL, all tis time I thought I was ordering from Illinois! Turns out they
> outsourced everythign from manufacturing to engineer. I am an engineer
> and this will not pass.
>
> Lou Dobbs is not enough, we should join and fight FREE TRADE to be
> replaced with FAIR TRADE.
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