XP shutdown problems after Jan 08 Update

Hi,

Win XP SP2
Processor AMD Athlon 1.4Mhz
..NET Framework 1 & 2 & 3
Office 2008
IE7


Ever since the Jan 2008 Update was installed I have had issues when closing
down Windows.

Unless I close windows pretty much as soon as I boot it I get "Application
wont terminate" windows from IEXPLORER.EXE and "Connection Tray". Usually 2
from IE and 1 from Connection Tray. I have also had one from Power Meter
once.

I have been through the EventLog and nothing seems to stand out as happening
after the date I installed more often than it did before.

This did not happen prior to the Jan 08 update!

I have taken to manually closing as many applications in the system tray
before doing a shutdown and this makes no difference.


IS ANYBODY ELSE experiencing these sort of problems, specifically having
started after the Jan 08 update installation?

Can anybody suggest any solutions?

Did you check the Event Application log ? That's where IE and
'Connection Tray' would be showing any errors, not the Event System log.

Is this a laptop and were any drivers installed on Jan. 8th ?

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============


RiggsFolly wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Win XP SP2
> Processor AMD Athlon 1.4Mhz
> .NET Framework 1 & 2 & 3
> Office 2008
> IE7
>
>
> Ever since the Jan 2008 Update was installed I have had issues when closing
> down Windows.
>
> Unless I close windows pretty much as soon as I boot it I get "Application
> wont terminate" windows from IEXPLORER.EXE and "Connection Tray". Usually 2
> from IE and 1 from Connection Tray. I have also had one from Power Meter
> once.
>
> I have been through the EventLog and nothing seems to stand out as happening
> after the date I installed more often than it did before.
>
> This did not happen prior to the Jan 08 update!
>
> I have taken to manually closing as many applications in the system tray
> before doing a shutdown and this makes no difference.
>
>
> IS ANYBODY ELSE experiencing these sort of problems, specifically having
> started after the Jan 08 update installation?
>
> Can anybody suggest any solutions?
>
>

Hi Mow

Its a Desktop. Oh and I run a standard User Account, Not Admin and not
PowerUser.

Yes I checked all the logs for anything that looked odd ( even the Internet
Explorer's own log which was empty ).

Oh yes I believe drivers were loaded, hang on ill check the history. I
should have added this into the original message, sorry.

Jan 08 Update delivered the following to my PC:

Windows XP - Security Update for Windows XP (KB943485) 09 January 2008
Microsoft Update
Windows XP - Security Update for Windows XP (KB941644) 09 January 2008
Microsoft Update
Windows XP - Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - January 2008
(KB890830) 09 January 2008 Microsoft Update
Windows XP - Advanced Micro Devices - Other Hardware - AMD Processor 09
January 2008 Microsoft Update
Office 2007 2007 - Microsoft Office Suite Service Pack 1 (SP1) 09 January
2008 Microsoft Update
Windows XP - Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack 1 (KB929300) 09
January 2008 Microsoft Update
Windows XP - Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 1 (KB110806) 09
January 2008 Microsoft Update
Windows XP - Root Certificates Update 09 January 2008 Microsoft Update
Windows XP - Update for .NET Framework 3.0: x86 (KB932471) 09 January 2008
Microsoft Update
Windows XP - NEC Display Solutions,Ltd. - Monitors - NEC MultiSync
LCD2170NX 09 January 2008 Microsoft Update
Windows XP - Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool (KB892130) 09
January 2008 Microsoft Update


So yes I accepted an AMD Processor update and a NEC Display Solutions update
for my new MultiSync LCD2170NX monitor neither of which seem to appear on
the Add/Remove Programs list so I am not sure how I would remove them to see
if they were the problem.

Is this any help


Regards



"MowGreen [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Did you check the Event Application log ? That's where IE and 'Connection
> Tray' would be showing any errors, not the Event System log.
>
> Is this a laptop and were any drivers installed on Jan. 8th ?
>
> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
> ===============
> *-343-* FDNY
> Never Forgotten
> ===============
>
>
> RiggsFolly wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Win XP SP2
>> Processor AMD Athlon 1.4Mhz
>> .NET Framework 1 & 2 & 3
>> Office 2008
>> IE7
>>
>>
>> Ever since the Jan 2008 Update was installed I have had issues when
>> closing down Windows.
>>
>> Unless I close windows pretty much as soon as I boot it I get
>> "Application wont terminate" windows from IEXPLORER.EXE and "Connection
>> Tray". Usually 2 from IE and 1 from Connection Tray. I have also had one
>> from Power Meter once.
>>
>> I have been through the EventLog and nothing seems to stand out as
>> happening after the date I installed more often than it did before.
>>
>> This did not happen prior to the Jan 08 update!
>>
>> I have taken to manually closing as many applications in the system tray
>> before doing a shutdown and this makes no difference.
>>
>>
>> IS ANYBODY ELSE experiencing these sort of problems, specifically having
>> started after the Jan 08 update installation?
>>
>> Can anybody suggest any solutions?
>>

Howdy RiggsFolly ... I would suspect that the AMD update *might* be the
cause ... since there is no documentation on hardware updates, I can't
say that is the cause for sure and I'm *very reluctant* to tell you to
Roll Back the driver for it. If you do and something goes amiss, I do
NOT want to take any responsibility for it.

That leaves the NEC update ... you could try rolling back the driver for
NEC MultiSync LCD2170NX from within Device Manager to see if that is the
cause of these messages at shutdown.

Right click My Computer either on the Desktop or Start Menu and choose
Manage
Device Manager is in the left frame
The Monitor is listed in the right frame, just click the plus sign next
to Monitor to access NEC MultiSync LCD2170NX
Double click that, click the Driver tab, click the Roll Back Driver button
Follow any prompts to reboot


MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============




RiggsFolly wrote:

> Hi Mow
>
> Its a Desktop. Oh and I run a standard User Account, Not Admin and not
> PowerUser.
>
> Yes I checked all the logs for anything that looked odd ( even the Internet
> Explorer's own log which was empty ).
>
> Oh yes I believe drivers were loaded, hang on ill check the history. I
> should have added this into the original message, sorry.
>
> Jan 08 Update delivered the following to my PC:
>
> Windows XP - Security Update for Windows XP (KB943485) 09 January 2008
> Microsoft Update
> Windows XP - Security Update for Windows XP (KB941644) 09 January 2008
> Microsoft Update
> Windows XP - Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - January 2008
> (KB890830) 09 January 2008 Microsoft Update
> Windows XP - Advanced Micro Devices - Other Hardware - AMD Processor 09
> January 2008 Microsoft Update
> Office 2007 2007 - Microsoft Office Suite Service Pack 1 (SP1) 09 January
> 2008 Microsoft Update
> Windows XP - Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack 1 (KB929300) 09
> January 2008 Microsoft Update
> Windows XP - Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 1 (KB110806) 09
> January 2008 Microsoft Update
> Windows XP - Root Certificates Update 09 January 2008 Microsoft Update
> Windows XP - Update for .NET Framework 3.0: x86 (KB932471) 09 January 2008
> Microsoft Update
> Windows XP - NEC Display Solutions,Ltd. - Monitors - NEC MultiSync
> LCD2170NX 09 January 2008 Microsoft Update
> Windows XP - Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool (KB892130) 09
> January 2008 Microsoft Update
>
>
> So yes I accepted an AMD Processor update and a NEC Display Solutions update
> for my new MultiSync LCD2170NX monitor neither of which seem to appear on
> the Add/Remove Programs list so I am not sure how I would remove them to see
> if they were the problem.
>
> Is this any help
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> "MowGreen [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>
>>Did you check the Event Application log ? That's where IE and 'Connection
>>Tray' would be showing any errors, not the Event System log.
>>
>>Is this a laptop and were any drivers installed on Jan. 8th ?
>>
>>MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
>>===============
>> *-343-* FDNY
>>Never Forgotten
>>===============
>>
>>
>>RiggsFolly wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Win XP SP2
>>>Processor AMD Athlon 1.4Mhz
>>>.NET Framework 1 & 2 & 3
>>>Office 2008
>>>IE7
>>>
>>>
>>>Ever since the Jan 2008 Update was installed I have had issues when
>>>closing down Windows.
>>>
>>>Unless I close windows pretty much as soon as I boot it I get
>>>"Application wont terminate" windows from IEXPLORER.EXE and "Connection
>>>Tray". Usually 2 from IE and 1 from Connection Tray. I have also had one
>>>from Power Meter once.
>>>
>>>I have been through the EventLog and nothing seems to stand out as
>>>happening after the date I installed more often than it did before.
>>>
>>>This did not happen prior to the Jan 08 update!
>>>
>>>I have taken to manually closing as many applications in the system tray
>>>before doing a shutdown and this makes no difference.
>>>
>>>
>>>IS ANYBODY ELSE experiencing these sort of problems, specifically having
>>>started after the Jan 08 update installation?
>>>
>>>Can anybody suggest any solutions?
>>>
>
>

Hi again Mow,

I should have known, I had been ignoring the AMD driver update for months
for this very sort of reason. When I saw the NEC one there also I must have
got a rush of blood to the head and decided to accept both of them.

I quote the old addage "If it aint broke, DONT FIX IT!" to everybody else
and then I go and ignore my own advice. DUH!

I am to far into a development cycle right now to risk anything as serious
as tampering with drivers, and after all that would also break my own
advice, which I am now paying serious attention to, and as it does not
appear to be effecting anything other than shutdown I am going to ignore it
for now and schedule a reload of the OS for my next quiet time.

Thanks as always for listening and attempting to help.


"MowGreen [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Howdy RiggsFolly ... I would suspect that the AMD update *might* be the
> cause ... since there is no documentation on hardware updates, I can't say
> that is the cause for sure and I'm *very reluctant* to tell you to Roll
> Back the driver for it. If you do and something goes amiss, I do NOT want
> to take any responsibility for it.
>
> That leaves the NEC update ... you could try rolling back the driver for
> NEC MultiSync LCD2170NX from within Device Manager to see if that is the
> cause of these messages at shutdown.
>
> Right click My Computer either on the Desktop or Start Menu and choose
> Manage
> Device Manager is in the left frame
> The Monitor is listed in the right frame, just click the plus sign next to
> Monitor to access NEC MultiSync LCD2170NX
> Double click that, click the Driver tab, click the Roll Back Driver button
> Follow any prompts to reboot
>
>
> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
> ===============
> *-343-* FDNY
> Never Forgotten
> ===============
>
>
>
>
> RiggsFolly wrote:
>
>> Hi Mow
>>
>> Its a Desktop. Oh and I run a standard User Account, Not Admin and not
>> PowerUser.
>>
>> Yes I checked all the logs for anything that looked odd ( even the
>> Internet Explorer's own log which was empty ).
>>
>> Oh yes I believe drivers were loaded, hang on ill check the history. I
>> should have added this into the original message, sorry.
>>
>> Jan 08 Update delivered the following to my PC:
>>
>> Windows XP - Security Update for Windows XP (KB943485) 09 January 2008
>> Microsoft Update
>> Windows XP - Security Update for Windows XP (KB941644) 09 January 2008
>> Microsoft Update
>> Windows XP - Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool - January 2008
>> (KB890830) 09 January 2008 Microsoft Update
>> Windows XP - Advanced Micro Devices - Other Hardware - AMD Processor 09
>> January 2008 Microsoft Update
>> Office 2007 2007 - Microsoft Office Suite Service Pack 1 (SP1) 09
>> January 2008 Microsoft Update
>> Windows XP - Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack 1 (KB929300) 09
>> January 2008 Microsoft Update
>> Windows XP - Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 1 (KB110806) 09
>> January 2008 Microsoft Update
>> Windows XP - Root Certificates Update 09 January 2008 Microsoft Update
>> Windows XP - Update for .NET Framework 3.0: x86 (KB932471) 09 January
>> 2008 Microsoft Update
>> Windows XP - NEC Display Solutions,Ltd. - Monitors - NEC MultiSync
>> LCD2170NX 09 January 2008 Microsoft Update
>> Windows XP - Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool (KB892130) 09
>> January 2008 Microsoft Update
>>
>>
>> So yes I accepted an AMD Processor update and a NEC Display Solutions
>> update for my new MultiSync LCD2170NX monitor neither of which seem to
>> appear on the Add/Remove Programs list so I am not sure how I would
>> remove them to see if they were the problem.
>>
>> Is this any help
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> "MowGreen [MVP]" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>>
>>>Did you check the Event Application log ? That's where IE and 'Connection
>>>Tray' would be showing any errors, not the Event System log.
>>>
>>>Is this a laptop and were any drivers installed on Jan. 8th ?
>>>
>>>MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
>>>===============
>>> *-343-* FDNY
>>>Never Forgotten
>>>===============
>>>
>>>
>>>RiggsFolly wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>Win XP SP2
>>>>Processor AMD Athlon 1.4Mhz
>>>>.NET Framework 1 & 2 & 3
>>>>Office 2008
>>>>IE7
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ever since the Jan 2008 Update was installed I have had issues when
>>>>closing down Windows.
>>>>
>>>>Unless I close windows pretty much as soon as I boot it I get
>>>>"Application wont terminate" windows from IEXPLORER.EXE and "Connection
>>>>Tray". Usually 2 from IE and 1 from Connection Tray. I have also had one
>>>>from Power Meter once.
>>>>
>>>>I have been through the EventLog and nothing seems to stand out as
>>>>happening after the date I installed more often than it did before.
>>>>
>>>>This did not happen prior to the Jan 08 update!
>>>>
>>>>I have taken to manually closing as many applications in the system tray
>>>>before doing a shutdown and this makes no difference.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>IS ANYBODY ELSE experiencing these sort of problems, specifically having
>>>>started after the Jan 08 update installation?
>>>>
>>>>Can anybody suggest any solutions?
>>>>
>>

Just a quick update just in case this means something more to other that it
does to me!

As I stated I run as a User not Admin in normal day to day mode. Well I
booted into Admin yesterday and noticed that when I closed down there were
none of these WONT TERMINATE messages ( at all ) so I did it a couple of
times to check and then I ran up all the apps that I would normally use
during a day and still no termination problems!!

IWhen I am in user mode the following apps run under the user account, all
other are either SYSTEM or LOCAL SERVICE or NETWORK SERVICE

Apps running on user account:

msimn.exe
taskmgr.exe
mdm.exe
msnmsgr.exe
msnmsgs.exe
avgcc.exe
vsnp2std.exe
explorer.exe
devldr32.exe
Skype.exe
DynDns.exe
cftmon.exe

Any more thoughts on the subject?

Regards


"RiggsFolly" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi,
>
> Win XP SP2
> Processor AMD Athlon 1.4Mhz
> .NET Framework 1 & 2 & 3
> Office 2008
> IE7
>
>
> Ever since the Jan 2008 Update was installed I have had issues when
> closing down Windows.
>
> Unless I close windows pretty much as soon as I boot it I get "Application
> wont terminate" windows from IEXPLORER.EXE and "Connection Tray". Usually
> 2 from IE and 1 from Connection Tray. I have also had one from Power Meter
> once.
>
> I have been through the EventLog and nothing seems to stand out as
> happening after the date I installed more often than it did before.
>
> This did not happen prior to the Jan 08 update!
>
> I have taken to manually closing as many applications in the system tray
> before doing a shutdown and this makes no difference.
>
>
> IS ANYBODY ELSE experiencing these sort of problems, specifically having
> started after the Jan 08 update installation?
>
> Can anybody suggest any solutions?
>
>

Hi,

Just to finish this off, the problem has somehow corrected itself.

The only thing I did on the day the problem went away was allow the Update
subsystem to download and install an update, there was only 1 update
delivered and it was KB885884, an XP SP2 critical update, which apparently
corrected a fault in MS04-028. Now I have not had this problem since 2004 so
I can only assume... nothing. Maybe it was the previous update process that
had a small problem and left the system in a slightly mixed up state and
running another install cleaned it up. I guess I will never know.

Anyway thanks for listening.



"RiggsFolly" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi,
>
> Win XP SP2
> Processor AMD Athlon 1.4Mhz
> .NET Framework 1 & 2 & 3
> Office 2008
> IE7
>
>
> Ever since the Jan 2008 Update was installed I have had issues when
> closing down Windows.
>
> Unless I close windows pretty much as soon as I boot it I get "Application
> wont terminate" windows from IEXPLORER.EXE and "Connection Tray". Usually
> 2 from IE and 1 from Connection Tray. I have also had one from Power Meter
> once.
>
> I have been through the EventLog and nothing seems to stand out as
> happening after the date I installed more often than it did before.
>
> This did not happen prior to the Jan 08 update!
>
> I have taken to manually closing as many applications in the system tray
> before doing a shutdown and this makes no difference.
>
>
> IS ANYBODY ELSE experiencing these sort of problems, specifically having
> started after the Jan 08 update installation?
>
> Can anybody suggest any solutions?
>
>

Thanks for the follow up. After reading the Summary here:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885884
I need a nap. <w>
But seriously, it appears that the installation of MS04-028 did not go
according to Hoyle and KB885884 was reissued to correct that situation.
Anyway, that's just an 'edumowcated' theory.
Glad to hear we can put this puppy to bed now. <g>

MowGreen [MVP 2003-2008]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============


RiggsFolly wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just to finish this off, the problem has somehow corrected itself.
>
> The only thing I did on the day the problem went away was allow the Update
> subsystem to download and install an update, there was only 1 update
> delivered and it was KB885884, an XP SP2 critical update, which apparently
> corrected a fault in MS04-028. Now I have not had this problem since 2004 so
> I can only assume... nothing. Maybe it was the previous update process that
> had a small problem and left the system in a slightly mixed up state and
> running another install cleaned it up. I guess I will never know.
>
> Anyway thanks for listening.
>
>
>
> "RiggsFolly" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Win XP SP2
>>Processor AMD Athlon 1.4Mhz
>>.NET Framework 1 & 2 & 3
>>Office 2008
>>IE7
>>
>>
>>Ever since the Jan 2008 Update was installed I have had issues when
>>closing down Windows.
>>
>>Unless I close windows pretty much as soon as I boot it I get "Application
>>wont terminate" windows from IEXPLORER.EXE and "Connection Tray". Usually
>>2 from IE and 1 from Connection Tray. I have also had one from Power Meter
>>once.
>>
>>I have been through the EventLog and nothing seems to stand out as
>>happening after the date I installed more often than it did before.
>>
>>This did not happen prior to the Jan 08 update!
>>
>>I have taken to manually closing as many applications in the system tray
>>before doing a shutdown and this makes no difference.
>>
>>
>>IS ANYBODY ELSE experiencing these sort of problems, specifically having
>>started after the Jan 08 update installation?
>>
>>Can anybody suggest any solutions?
>>
>>
>
>
>