891711/MS05-002 Updated (fixed) for Win9x

Discussion in 'Windows Update' started by PA Bear, Apr 12, 2005.

  1. Installed it last night on my Me PC and everything is just fine. It's
    no-longer a msconfig "Startup Group" item either (visible using
    Ctrl-Alt-Del). It now runs as a "Registry (Machine Service)"

    As a side note, most of the install reports at dslreports.com are positive.

    Steve
     
    \(yet another\) Steve, Apr 13, 2005
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    Peter Foldes Guest

    Peter Foldes, Apr 13, 2005
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    John Corliss Guest

    Wayne,
    But what if a person didn't get around to installing the old version
    of KB891711 (or used System Restore to remove it) and now wants to
    install the new one? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that if
    they leave the old one installed, the new one might not even show up in
    the list of available updates when Windows Update is run.
     
    John Corliss, Apr 13, 2005
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    Mike M Guest

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that
    That is incorrect.

    The new version of KB891711 shows up on the Windows Update site even when
    the old version has been installed and is still present. This detail has
    been posted a number of times already in this thread.
     
    Mike M, Apr 13, 2005
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    Shane Guest

    The new version is - unlike most revisions - actually differently-named,
    being WindowsME-KB891711-v2-ENU.

    Shane
     
    Shane, Apr 13, 2005
    #45
  6. Jack Martinelli, Apr 13, 2005
    #46
  7. No, you wouldn't have to "unhide" the "Disabled Startup Items" in your
    case. If you can't see it now, it isn't there, which means there aren't
    any disabled items in MSCONFIG corresponding to shortcuts in the Startup
    folder of Start\Programs menu.
     
    Gary S. Terhune, Apr 13, 2005
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  8. PA Bear

    Rick Chauvin Guest

    If he's batty it's not for that reason.

    Actually the reg entry installed are identical in that regard.

    Between actually using W9x, and actually having installed both versions clean
    and tracked them, I can say and observed that the original install file ran it from:
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices
    "KB891711"="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB891711\\KB891711.exe

    ..and so does this new install file add the 'identical' same key.

    The changes made to have it not show in the End Task panel lie elsewhere.

    Rick
     
    Rick Chauvin, Apr 13, 2005
    #48
  9. There are better ways to do that.

    If you use the /? switch on the downloaded executable, you'll see the
    following (in Slovenian, of course):

    /Q -- Quiet modes for package
    /T:<full path> -- Specifies temporary working folder
    /C -- Extract files only to the folder when used also with /T
    /C:<Cmd> -- Override Install Command defined by author

    Don't ask me, I don't know what those last two are about, but the switch
    you want is the /Q switch.

    If you did decide to do it differently, the first thing I will suggest
    is that it's not the HKLM\...\Run key you want, but rather the
    HKLM\...\RunServices key. You also, I suspect, need to register
    q891711.dll. Beyond that, there are numerous other tasks that the
    installation performs that may or may not be vital to proper operation,
    but which may cause anomalies in the future. Some of these things are
    hinted at in the 891711UP.INF file, but others are only discovered by
    deconstructing the installation EXE. I strongly recommend against manual
    installation of the patch.
     
    Gary S. Terhune, Apr 13, 2005
    #49
  10. Yes, I was mistaken. The problem, apparently, is that the old version
    *also* added a shortcut to the Startup folder. This was done away with
    in the new version.
     
    Gary S. Terhune, Apr 13, 2005
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    PCR Guest

    Just as Terhune said, it isn't special for just this folder. You should
    see all Hidden & System folders/files, after doing it once. You will not
    get a...

    C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\Disabled Startup Items

    ....folder, until you put a shortcut to an app into...

    C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp

    ....& then uncheck it in MSConfig, Startup tab.


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR

    | | > | > | > Also here:
    | > | > "C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\Disabled Startup Items"
    | > |
    | > | No such folder on either of my systems. And I have eight or nine
    | > | things disabled on my machine.
    | >
    | > Only the ones (if any) that were in...
    | > C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp
    | > ...will go to...
    | > C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\Disabled Startup Items
    | > ...after they are unchecked in MSConfig.
    | >
    | > Also, to see that "Disabled" folder, you must...
    | >
    | > START, Settings, Folder Options, View tab.
    | > Bolt "Show all files" & UNcheck "Hide file extensions..."
    | >
    | > ..., because it is hidden.
    |
    | Would I have to do that specially for this folder?
    |
    | I set the global settings to Show All Files and unchecked the "Hide
    file
    | extensions" thing globally long, long ago. The hidden files in
    C:\Windows
    | already do appear.
    |
    | - Bill
    |
    |
     
    PCR, Apr 13, 2005
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  12. PA Bear

    Rick Chauvin Guest

    There were no shortcuts. Looking at my software tracking log shows that the
    original install made no shortcut in the Startup folder. I'm not making a
    big deal about it, I'm just being Technically Accurate having installed and
    tracked it and now looking at what the install actually did in every mi'nute
    detail which actually I showed you previously what it was here:


    The latest install is nearly identical - it has the same files/locations were
    installed as last time above, although the current files are modified from
    the originals.

    The registry changes are the same except for numbering instances noted below

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed
    Components\{32b1db33-27b9-43b7-8904-d5352decc292}]
    @="Windows 98 KB891711 Update"
    "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
    "Locale"="EN"
    "Version"="4.10.0.2222"

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices]
    "KB891711"="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB891711\\KB891711.EXE"

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Updates\W98\UPD891711]
    @="Windows 98 KB891711 Update"
    "C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB891711\\KB891711.EXE"="4.10.0.2223"
    "C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB891711\\Q891711.DLL"="4.10.0.2222"

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\891711]
    @=""
    "DisplayName"="Windows 98 KB891711 Update"
    "UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
    C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98\\891711UN.INF"


    Rick
     
    Rick Chauvin, Apr 13, 2005
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  13. PA Bear

    PCR Guest

    Right, uh, well, uh, yea, right. Anyway, here is your original post of
    what the first KB891711 did, followed by the original/new 891711UN.INF.
    I can't quite tell how it has been removed from Ctrl-Alt-Del.

    .......Chauvin's tracking of it............
    The install is really really a simple one though, and just for notation
    here
    is exactly what the simple install does, and from this it's easy to make
    sure the uninstall is complete if ever need be:

    (for files - only 3 were added and no other file changes were made)

    C:\WINDOWS\INF\QFE\W98\
    891711UN.INF

    C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\KB891711\
    KB891711exe
    Q891711.dll

    (and for the registry the install only Added a few entires - it made no
    other changes)

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed
    Components\{2cd1b477-8d46-4b86-b7dc-13fb65fb5914}]
    @="Windows 98 KB891711 Update"
    "IsInstalled"=dword:00000001
    "Locale"="EN"
    "Version"="4.10.0.2222"

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunService
    s]
    "KB891711"="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB891711\\KB891711.EXE"

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Upda
    tes\W98\UPD891711]
    @="Windows 98 KB891711 Update"
    "C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB891711\\KB891711.EXE"=""
    "C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB891711\\Q891711.DLL"=""

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\
    891711]
    @=""
    "DisplayName"="Windows 98 KB891711 Update"
    "UninstallString"="RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
    C:\\WINDOWS\\INF\\QFE\\W98\\891711UN.INF"
    .......EO Chauvin's tracking.............

    ......Original 891711UN.INF...........
    ; 891711UN.INF
    ; This is the Setup information file to uninstall the Windows KB891711
    Update:

    [version]
    AdvancedINF = 2.5, %AdvPackWarn%
    signature=$CHICAGO$

    [DefaultInstall]
    DelFiles=WinUPD.DelFiles,WinUPD.DelINF
    delreg=WinUPD.Delreg
    DelDirs=WinUPD.deldir
    Cleanup=1
    SmartReboot=A

    [DestinationDirs]
    WinUPD.DelFiles = 11,KB891711
    WinUPD.DelINF = 17,QFE\%SPKey%

    [WinUPD.DelFiles]
    KB891711.EXE
    Q891711.DLL

    [WinUPD.DelINF]
    891711UN.INF

    [WinUPD.deldir]
    %11%\KB891711

    [WinUPD.Delreg]
    ;msinfo32
    HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\%GUID%",,,

    ;runservices
    HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices","KB891711",
    ,,

    ;qfecheck
    HKLM,%UpdateKey%\%SPKey%\%LocaleID%%UpdID%\,,,

    ;uninstall
    HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\%UpdID%",,,

    [Strings]
    ;Non-localizable
    LANG= "EN"
    LocaleID= "UPD"
    Guid= "{2cd1b477-8d46-4b86-b7dc-13fb65fb5914}"
    VERSION= "4.10.0.2222"
    UpdID= "891711"
    UpdateKey= "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Updates"
    SPKey= "W98"

    ;Localizable strings
    UpdName="Windows 98 KB891711 Patch"
    AdvPackWarn="You need a newer version of advpack.dll."
    SrcDiskName="KB891711 Patch"

    [SourceDisksNames]
    55=%SrcDiskName%,"",0

    [SourceDisksFiles]
    891711UN.INF=55
    ......EO Original One......

    .......The new/fixed 891711UN.INF.......
    ; 891711UN.INF
    ; This is the Setup information file to uninstall the Windows KB891711
    Update:

    [version]
    AdvancedINF = 2.5, %AdvPackWarn%
    signature=$CHICAGO$

    [DefaultInstall]
    delreg=WinUPD.Delreg
    addreg=WinUPD.AddReg
    SmartReboot=A

    [FinishUninstall]
    DelFiles=WinUPD.DelFiles,WinUPD.DelINF
    DelDirs=WinUpd.Deldir

    [DestinationDirs]
    WinUPD.DelFiles = 11,KB891711
    WinUPD.DelINF = 17,QFE\%SPKey%

    [WinUPD.DelFiles]
    KB891711.EXE
    Q891711.DLL

    [WinUPD.DelINF]
    891711UN.INF

    [WinUPD.deldir]
    %11%\KB891711

    [WinUPD.AddReg]
    HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce","Uninstalling
    KB891711",,"RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection
    %17%\QFE\%SPKey%\891711UN.INF,FinishUninstall,2,N"

    [WinUPD.Delreg]
    ;msinfo32
    HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components\%GUID%",,,

    ;runservices
    HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices","KB891711",
    ,,

    ;qfecheck
    HKLM,%UpdateKey%\%SPKey%\%LocaleID%%UpdID%\,,,

    ;uninstall
    HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\%UpdID%",,,

    [Strings]
    ;Non-localizable
    LANG= "EN"
    LocaleID= "UPD"
    Guid= "{32b1db33-27b9-43b7-8904-d5352decc292}"
    VERSION= "4.10.0.2222"
    UpdID= "891711"
    UpdateKey= "Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Updates"
    SPKey= "W98"

    ;Localizable strings
    UpdName="Windows 98 KB891711 Patch"
    AdvPackWarn="You need a newer version of advpack.dll."
    SrcDiskName="KB891711 Patch"

    [SourceDisksNames]
    55=%SrcDiskName%,"",0

    [SourceDisksFiles]
    891711UN.INF=55
    .......EO the new one.......


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR

    | Gary S. Terhune wrote:
    | > Except: PCR *is* "batty" in this case. The startup commands didn't
    go
    | > into the same Key. The old one went into the Run key, but the new
    one,
    |
    | If he's batty it's not for that reason.
    |
    | Actually the reg entry installed are identical in that regard.
    |
    | Between actually using W9x, and actually having installed both
    versions clean
    | and tracked them, I can say and observed that the original install
    file ran it from:
    |
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices
    | "KB891711"="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB891711\\KB891711.exe
    |
    | ..and so does this new install file add the 'identical' same key.
    |
    | The changes made to have it not show in the End Task panel lie
    elsewhere.
    |
    | Rick
    |
    |
    | > properly, goes into the RunServices key. This is why the old one
    showed
    | > up in End Task panel (Ctrl-Alt-Del) and the new one doesn't (so
    called
    | > "Services" in Win98 load before logging on and don't show in the End
    | > Task panel.)
    | >
    | > --
    | > Gary S. Terhune
    | > MS MVP Shell/User
    | > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    | > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
    |
    |
    |
    |
    |
    |
    |
    |
    |
    |
    |
     
    PCR, Apr 13, 2005
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  14. PA Bear

    PCR Guest

    60 hours!!! Better find another way...

    Once you have a functioning system, especially one close to a clean
    install, do a full system backup. If you have multiple partitions, I
    guess a backup is a bit more complex. It depends upon the ties between
    the Registry & the other partitions, as to whether they must be backed
    up concurrently. Also, if you've changed the hardware since the backup,
    you may need to change it back before a restore.

    http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/index.html Backup & partitioning strategy
    http://home.wanadoo.nl/geurt/home.html Extended Operating System Loader
    http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/ TrueImage
    http://www.arjsoftware.com ARJ Archiver
    http://www.betterbackup.com/ Retrospect CD Backup
    http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
    capabilities: Copy to HDD, or Image to HDD or to CD. (TBIView, freely
    downloadable, can retrieve individual files from an Image.)
    Shrink/expand your partitions without data loss. Multi-boot, if you
    dare. Free, run from floppy, but pay up as I did if satisfied. To
    install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
    http://www.cdrfaq.org/ CD R/W Backup
    http://www.cyberiapc.com/backup.htm MyOwnBackup (MOB) (Free)
    http://www.han-soft.com/habt.php Auto Backup (30-day free trial)
    http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/cposupport/swdl.pl?c=co105&i=co105en&p=hpcdwriter2
    Simple Backup
    http://www.karenware.com/ PtReplicator (Free)
    http://www.lifesaverbackup.com/
    http://www.mvps.org/links.html Should have good info
    http://www.pcmag.com/ Lots & lots of sturdy downloads. There is a $20
    yearly charge now.
    http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic Partition Magic
    http://www.ranish.com/part/ Ranish Partition Manager
    http://www.rescue-me.net/gold.html
    http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/58307.shtml Backups
    http://www.stompinc.com/bump/bump_details.phtml?stp Backup MyPC
    http://www.thirdstar.net/thirdstar_datarecovery.htm Data recovery
    http://www.tomsterdam.com/ BU process, performance, etc.
    http://www.v-com.com/product/pc_ind.html Partition Commander
    http://www.veritas.com Backup apps
    http://www.xxcopy.com/ Detailed Procedure Copy (Free)
    http://www.zeleps.com/ Partition re-sizer (Free)

    All gathered at this site. Whichever you choose, approach it carefully
    and verify all is well. After making a copy, run Scandisk/Defrag on it.
    If it's an Image, use it's verify option; perhaps, restore it and do a
    Scandisk/Defrag.

    http://www.pchelpandconsulting.com/links/windows.html WinDrvExpert
    http://www.jermar.com/wdrvbck.htm WinDrvBckup free version

    Those last two supposedly back up all currently installed drivers, such
    that they can be reinstalled. I never tried it but have seen a favorable
    report/two & one that was so-so.


    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR

    message | I'm gonna back up my computer onto CD before I update. 65 CD-RW's to
    erase & 65
    | CD-RW's to burn. That should take about 60 hours to prepare for and
    do. I need a
    | new computer with a fast DVD burner soon. When does Windows XP Pro 64
    come out
    | and how much will it cost on the store shelves?
    |
    |
    |
     
    PCR, Apr 13, 2005
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  15. Sorry, perhaps I should bow out of this particular discussion, since I
    don't have a test-bed handy. I was under the impression, from others'
    posts, that the previous version *did* add either a shortcut in Startup
    folder or an entry to Run key, which is why it showed up in End Task.

    --
    Gary S. Terhune
    MS MVP Shell/User
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

     
    Gary S. Terhune, Apr 13, 2005
    #55
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    Rick Chauvin Guest

    [....]

    They do it right from within the run kb891711.exe itself.

    I never show or list what's in the install inf because it's messy and doesn't
    show what actually gets done anyway and only what's on the to do list. I
    only posted the actual facts of Exactly what got done. ..keeps it simple
    and accurate ..not that anyone wanted to know anyway o:)

    Rick
     
    Rick Chauvin, Apr 13, 2005
    #56
  17. PA Bear

    Rick Chauvin Guest

    Okay.
    You spend a lot of quality time in this W98 group helping people with your
    considerable knowledge. I know you already have more than plenty of
    equipment at your fingertips everyday and don't need more, but since you
    spend your time in this group helping so much so often - if I could I would
    materialize at your fingertips an extra dedicated updated W98SE box ...beam
    it over Picard.

    Rick
     
    Rick Chauvin, Apr 13, 2005
    #57
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    Mike M Guest

    or an entry to Run key

    That was my fault for which I apologise. I was pretty certain that that
    was where the original KB891711.exe was being launched from but obviously
    my memory was at fault. Sorry about that.
     
    Mike M, Apr 13, 2005
    #58
  19. Not sure if you caught this in passing, but at this moment, our
    home/home business has three operating systems and four that have been
    cannibalized to keep these three running (three needed minor repairs and
    the fourth was actually a good system!) It's a precarious situation that
    looks to last until June or July. So if you *do* come across that extra
    box, feel free to beam it on over.

    Hmm... I need to get off my duff and get my Mom's new Dell ordered...
    then I can have her old P55/200MHz and load up Win98SE. Isn't good for
    much else.

    I have another correspondent checking for me (I hope) after disabling
    the original patch in MSCONFIG and then installing the new one, leaving
    the old entry in place (well, in place but disabled.) Waiting to see
    what is reported.

    --
    Gary S. Terhune
    MS MVP Shell/User
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

     
    Gary S. Terhune, Apr 13, 2005
    #59
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    Rick Chauvin Guest

    I miss so much talkin' to my mom on her computer, bless her, we had to just
    put her into a nursing home at 90 yrs old, she got stroked and
    incapacitated - boy I do miss talking to her on her little computer we set up
    for her..... ): ..she can't hardy verbally speak much anymore anyway ):
    Yeah I'm sure it will all get fixed just fine. Everyone's hot on the case.
    I was surprised to see Alan Raskin post today that says it didn't though.

    nite,

    Rick
     
    Rick Chauvin, Apr 13, 2005
    #60
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