'Acceptable' Dead Pixels on LCD Screens = An Outrageous Scam?

Discussion in 'Windows Media Center' started by Karen Smith, Nov 25, 2005.

  1. Karen Smith

    Karen Smith Guest

    I was thinking of buying one of these new DVR media players things for
    Christmas but have been put off by the fact that, apparently, most
    manufacturers still believe it's okay to make/sell devices with dead
    pixels on their LCD screens.

    Well, I dunno about you - but I don't. AFAIC an LCD screen with even
    ONE dead pixel is a faulty screen, and in the past I've always
    insisted upon, and been successful in obtaining, refunds/replacements
    for any devices - monitor, photo viewer, portable DVD player etc. -
    with one or more dead pixels.

    Okay. Maybe so far I've just been lucky in getting my way here. But
    considering this latest purchase has kinda revived the dead pixel
    issue in my mind and I'd like to know what reasonable people think
    about it.

    I mean - you wouldn't accept a brand new car with even a slight
    scratch on the paintwork - would you? Or a sofa, carpet or set of
    curtains with even small, barely imperceptible stains. Meanwhile,
    whether anyone else might notice these imperfections or not seems
    irrelevant. The fact that you - the owner - can see them is probably
    enough to make them very annoying and therefore deleterious to the
    pleasure you might otherwise have enjoyed from owning those products
    WITHOUT imperfections like those.

    It also seems to me that this logic applies especially to luxury goods
    like DVR players which people buy to increase their pleasure as
    opposed to serving a basic personal need. In other words a DVR player
    is non-essential to healthy living. It's only an 'extra' to lighten
    one's life (and I can think of several other ways to do that for free
    without involving pixels - dead or alive).

    Conversely, a second-hand lavatory with a few chips on the bowl might
    be okay, provided the plumbing works fine and, all other things
    considered, the toilet is fit for the purpose for which it was
    designed. This assuming, of course, that you're 'hard up' and cannot
    afford a flaw-free WC in the first place. After all - when you gotta
    'go' you gotta 'go' and a few ceramic chips wouldn't put me off buying
    an item that so readily facilitates the answering of nature's little
    calls. For us grownups chipped cans are better than perfect potties.

    But DVR players with defective LCD screens...?

    Personally I think that's crazy, and until these guys get their acts
    more together my money's staying in my purse.

    Therefore, if you are fairly new to LCD technology, please be aware of
    this dead pixel anomaly and make your buying decisions accordingly.
    Particularly if you usually buy mail order/online. My advice is to buy
    from a local store where you can actually test the very unit you
    intend to buy (before buying it). Don't just buy a sealed box. You
    dunno what's inside before they've got your cash.

    As far as I am aware it IS possible to make LCD screens that are 100%
    dead-pixel-free with certain manufacturers' guarantees to that effect.
    But this means more quality control in their factories - hence more
    cost on the shelves.

    But why should we pay for sloppy quality control?

    Is it not better to pay a more for something that's 'right' rather
    than 'less' for something that ain't?

    I definitely think so and would like to know what YOU think?


    BTW - Leading manufacturer Archos have just told me that 2 dead pixels
    are okay for their AV500 gizmo...? But that's way too many for me...

    I'm just a 'no dead pixel' girl and there's nothing to be done about
    it ;-)
    Karen Smith, Nov 25, 2005
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  2. Karen Smith

    Jaime Guest

    What does your (rather long-winded) rant have to do with Window Media
    Center, which is what this group supports?
    Jaime, Nov 25, 2005
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  3. Just buy your screen from PCWorld.
    They replace them if you take them back.
    [email protected], Nov 25, 2005
  4. There are almost 4 million sub-pixels on a 1280x1024 LCD panel. The
    problem is that when they are manufactured, many (perhaps most) of the
    panels will have a least some dead pixels, no matter what the
    manufacturer does. If everyone took your perspective, all of those
    panels with a bad pixel would have to be discarded, but those panels
    cost the same thing to make as the "good" panels. So, if half of all
    panels have 1 defect in 4 million pixels, what you have just done is
    double the cost of an LCD panel. If that's what you want, fine, but
    there are lots of people who would rather buy a $300 LCD monitor with a
    few bad pixels than a "perfect" $600 monitor.
    Barry Watzman, Nov 26, 2005
  5. Karen Smith

    Guest Guest

    Karen Smith ()[Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:15:54 GMT]:
    The conventional wisdom is that if every LCD were
    100% through the warranty period, the cost would
    increase. Would you rather pay X clams more and be
    assured of the perfect LCD? At which point is X
    clams too many? I've had around, oh, a dozen color
    LCDs. Two have had one dead pixel, and only seen
    when the screen was all black (so, a stuck pixel).
    I had a CRT with a dead pixel, too, but it was at
    the very top. I didn't mind because it was about
    half the price of a "new" one. A dead-center dead
    or stuck pixel, now that's another story. I
    wouldn't call it a scam. Cell phones... now there.
    Guest, Nov 26, 2005
  6. Not to mention the ecological impact of throwing away every LCD produced
    with a single dead pixel.

    Bill Marriott, Nov 27, 2005
  7. To add to this -

    The monitor I'm using here (19" LCD) has a stuck pixel.

    I didn't notice it for the first month or so I had it.

    Later, when I wanted to show it to someone, I couldn't even find it for
    a while, and obviously I knew roughly where to look...

    I guess I could try to be as picky as the OP, but it hardly seems worth

    Gene E. Bloch, Dec 3, 2005
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