ActivTION : VISTA Ult VPC on VISTA Ult Host

Discussion in 'Virtual PC' started by Ian H, Sep 15, 2008.

  1. Ian H

    Ian H Guest

    As I understand the license agreement (retail purchase) it allows me to use
    ONE copy of VISTA Ultimate within a VPC on the same host. Is that correct,
    and if so can I activate it in the normal way??

    Sorry if this is covered in the 100s of threads on licensing...
     
    Ian H, Sep 15, 2008
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  2. Ian H

    Robert Comer Guest

    Is that correct,

    If you have it installed anywhere else (like on the host), no, that's
    not correct, it allows one install, period.
     
    Robert Comer, Sep 15, 2008
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  3. Ian H

    Robert Comer Guest

    That just says you can use it in a VM if you wish, it doesn't grant
    you a license to run second instance. If it's on the host, that's the
    one install -- if it's on the guest only, that's the one install. (The
    licensed device in the case of a VM is the VM itself, not the host.)
     
    Robert Comer, Sep 15, 2008
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  4. Ian H

    Gordon Guest

    I would dispute that. If the OP's wording is actually correct then IMHO the
    licence does say that the OS that is installed on the licensed device may be
    installed on a Virtual Machine running on that licensed device...
     
    Gordon, Sep 15, 2008
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  5. Ian H

    Robert Comer Guest

    Unfortunately you would be wrong. The wording is odd, I agree, but
    the kicker here is that the licensed device is the machine, and that
    means the VM, so if you installed it on the host and a VM, that would
    be 2 licensed devices, not one.
     
    Robert Comer, Sep 15, 2008
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  6. Ian H

    Ian H Guest

    Yes, confusing. Perhaps I can clarify by distinguishing between Vista Basic
    and Ultimate license terms:
    Basic: "You may not use the software installed on the licensed device within
    a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system"

    Ultimate: "You may use the software installed on the licensed device within
    a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed device"

    Now it says that:
    - my software is installed on the licensed device
    - I can use the software within a virtual hardware system
    - the virtual hardware system is also on the licensed device

    I don't see how I can install it on the the licensed device and then use it
    within a VHD on a licensed device by your interpretation. IMHO of course!
     
    Ian H, Sep 15, 2008
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  7. My interpretation:

    From the license.rtf

    Please see #6



    MICROSOFT WINDOWS VISTA ULTIMATE SERVICE PACK 1
    ADDITIONAL LICENSE TERMS. The following additional license terms apply to
    Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate.
    1. STORAGE. You may store one copy of the software on a storage device,
    such as a network server. You may use that copy to install the software on
    any other device to which a license has been assigned.

    2. NETWORK USE. Instead of installing the software on the licensed device,
    you may install one copy on a storage device, such as a network server. You
    may use that copy only to run the software on your licensed device over an
    internal network.

    3. DEVICE CONNECTIONS. You may allow up to 10 other devices to connect to
    the software installed on the licensed device to use File Services, Print
    Services, Internet Information Services and Internet Connection Sharing and
    Telephony Services. However, you may not exceed a total of 10 connections
    at one time.

    4. REMOTE ACCESS TECHNOLOGIES. You may access and use the software
    installed on the licensed device remotely from another device using remote
    access technologies as follows.
    • Remote Desktop. The single primary user of the licensed device may
    access a session from any other device using Remote Desktop or similar
    technologies. A “session†means the experience of interacting with the
    software, directly or indirectly, through any combination of input, output
    and display peripherals. Other users may access a session from any device
    using these technologies, if the remote device is separately licensed to run
    the software.
    • Other Access Technologies. You may use Remote Assistance or similar
    technologies to share an active session.

    5. OTHER REMOTE USES. You may allow any number of devices to access the
    software installed on the licensed device for purposes other than those
    described in the Device Connections and Remote Access Technologies sections
    above, such as to synchronize data between devices.

    6. USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software installed
    on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware
    system on the licensed device. If you do so, you may not play or access
    content or use applications protected by any Microsoft digital, information
    or enterprise rights management technology or other Microsoft rights
    management services or use BitLocker. We advise against playing or
    accessing content or using applications protected by other digital,
    information or enterprise rights management technology or other rights
    management services or using full volume disk drive encryption.

    I Omitted the rest!


    NOW! Seeing as how M/S has *not* said anywhere, in this section, "one
    license - one install", #6 above gives you explicit approval to install the
    O/S in a virtual device ON the licensed device (with certain usage
    limitations concerning digital rights management).
     
    Richard Urban, Sep 16, 2008
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  8. Ian H

    Robert Comer Guest

    If you want to get a definitive answer, you'll have to speak to
    Microsoft directly.
     
    Robert Comer, Sep 16, 2008
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  9. Ian H

    Gordon Guest

    That's how I interpret it....
     
    Gordon, Sep 16, 2008
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  10. Ian H

    Melelina Guest

    You are correct. If it is Vista Ultimate ....no other version....you have
    the right use it on the host and on ONE virtual machine (it could be VMWare
    or others not just VirtualPC) on the host that is running Vista Ultimate. I
    have participated in a lot of debates about this in various Microsoft help
    forums around the internet and this is the consensus. It is this one clause
    that is the reason for many Vista Ultimate sales. There would be much less
    reason to buy Vista Ultimate without this clause because the clause is ONLY
    in Vista Ultimate. I would buy Vista Home or Business if this clause was not
    in Vista Ultimate. It is the reason most buy it.
     
    Melelina, Sep 19, 2008
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  11. Ian H

    Robert Comer Guest

    As I said before, that is not correct, but you should check with
    Microsoft licensing for the real answer rather than debates on the
    internet....
     
    Robert Comer, Sep 19, 2008
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  12. Robert:

    What I do not understand is that if Microsoft is really more concerned about a
    few enthusiasts using their licenses in a VM than about preventing wholesale
    piracy, they did not take the trouble to write the EULA more carefully. Anybody
    who looks at it can see that it is ambiguous.

    Fortunately, I have MSDN so I do not need to worry about it.
     
    David Wilkinson, Sep 19, 2008
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  13. Ian H

    Robert Comer Guest

    What I do not understand is that if Microsoft is really more concerned about a
    Since when have you seen a EULA from anyone that was perfectly clear.
    <g> The wrong people write them...

    Truthfully, I think it should be allowed, but I don't make the rules.
    That's what I use too.
     
    Robert Comer, Sep 19, 2008
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