Alterative Music Players

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Music, Pictures and Video' started by cvp, Sep 28, 2007.

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    cvp Guest

    O K Guys! Let me top into the wealth of knowledge here...

    I'm looking for an alternative to WMP11 with the ability to deal with music
    files properly (see below...). I've worked my way through a whole bunch of
    these without success. and I'm looking for one that runs in Windows Vista
    and one that runs in Ubuntu, but they don't have to be the same. It would be
    nice if they could play WMA files (lossless) but if necessary I'd be OK with
    FLAC if I can find a converter that maintains the integrity of the tags
    (Media Monkey V3 Beta comes close).

    So what do I mean by "properly"? I need the function (as in WMP) of
    a) Holding multiple artists and composers as separate entities (separate
    from Album Artist)
    b) Allowing indexing. into the library by each of the artists or
    composers
    c) Allowing editing of the multiple artists/ composers per track
    d) Supporting ripping/tagging of multiple artists/composers via the
    usual DBs

    If that's confusing, perhaps an example would help:
    For an album "Live Aid" with a track "Dancing in the Streets" by Mick Jagger
    and David Bowie, WMP will allow me to access the track by Album Artist
    (Various), by Album Title, or by either of the two artists. It will show
    both artists under "Artist" for the track by separating them with "; " and
    allow editing by entering them separated by ";" (no space). Under the covers
    it holds then as
    separate ID3V2 tags using an "Artist" tag for the first artist and multiple
    "Author" tags for subsequent artists. FLAC tagging allows multiple "Artist"
    tags but there doesn't seem to be standard usage of that capability. I guess
    you could say that WMP sets its own standard - but one which works well.
     
    cvp, Sep 28, 2007
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    cvp Guest

    A deafening silence to my question below!
    I had at least expected that the Ubuntu fans here would have a suggestion or
    two...
     
    cvp, Sep 29, 2007
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    Stephan Rose Guest

    Rhythmbox or Amarok.

    Personally I prefer Rhythmbox as it is more lightweight but I think
    Amarok has a few additional features that Rhythmbox doesn't have. I don't
    like Amarok's look and feel though.

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    Stephan
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    Paul Randall Guest

    You will get about 11 million hits if you Google for the three words:
    music database player
    Hopefully something will catch your eye, or help you find a more focused set
    of key words to find what you want.

    -Paul Randall
     
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    cvp Guest

    Stephan,

    I've tried both of those (and all the players readily available in Ubuntu).
    But there is no support for multiple artists or composers - hence my
    question. I found it hard to believe that the Linux world was so far behind
    what was available so many years ago in Windows and WMP10, let alone WMP11.
    But maybe so...
     
    cvp, Sep 29, 2007
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    cvp Guest

    Paul,

    I've tried that using multiple artists as well - maybe my search skills are
    lacking, but all I see is forums where someone thinks it might be "a good
    idea" to add the functionality to just about every player I've come across..
    That's why I was hoping those more experienced in the Linux world might have
    come across as least one good one that could come close to the Windows WMP10
    & 11 functionality which has been around for years.
    All I've found so far is lots and lots of simple-minded players all
    performing the same function - what a waste of talent!
     
    cvp, Sep 29, 2007
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    Charlie Tame Guest

    No offence because it's personal taste but quite honestly I dislike WMP
    with every nes "Feature" they add. It is simply too much work to mess
    with all those settings when I just want to listen to music. I
    personally find the information it increasingly wants to collect, and
    "Refer" to the internet about, is invasive.
     
    Charlie Tame, Sep 29, 2007
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    Stephan Rose Guest

    *shrug* Rhythmbox meets my needs perfectly so I have never bothered to
    check if there is anything else out there. After all, why should I bother
    looking for other apps if the one I use does everything I need it to?

    It can handle multiple artists / composers in one single album absolutely
    no problem.

    And even multiple artists in one song actually aren't a problem.

    When I type in the partial name of a song, I get a match for all songs
    that contain that partial name. The same would apply for artists.

    So what's stopping you from putting both artists into the Artist ID3V2
    tag? I suspect that is what WMP is doing and it just uses the ; as a
    separator. I could do the same thing under Rhythmbox easily.

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    Stephan Rose, Sep 29, 2007
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    Stephan Rose Guest

    Honestly, most people probably don't really have a need for it. And if
    anything, I personally would want a way to turn the feature OFF! That'd
    be my most important thing I'd be looking for.

    And I'll tell you why too.

    Napster does what you want. It creates a reference for every artist in a
    track. And man, I think close to 50% of the artists in my artist list
    under napster I had no clue who they were!!! It drove me nuts because it
    severely cluttered up my artist list.

    I'd download one various artist album and I'd instantly have 10-20 new
    artists cluttering up my list that I didn't want there but couldn't do
    anything about.

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    Stephan
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    Stephan Rose, Sep 29, 2007
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    cvp Guest

    Charlie,
    If WMP was perfect I wouldn't be looking at alternatives!
    However, indexing into a large collection by one of several artists on the
    same track is one of its good features. One the settings have been set, it's
    not really all that intrusive. But ...YMMV
     
    cvp, Sep 30, 2007
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    cvp Guest

    Stephan,
    If it meets your needs that's all that can be asked of it. I have over
    60,000 tracks and I feel the need for organization/indexing/display of the
    library contents at multiple levels.

    "So what's stopping you from putting both artists into the Artist ID3V2 tag?
    I suspect that is what WMP is doing and it just uses the ; as a separator. I
    could do the same thing under Rhythmbox easily."

    No, WMP separates the concepts of storage, display and editing nicely using
    separate tags for each artist. Just using ; as a separator in Rhythmbox just
    creates additional artists (e.g. "Mick Jagger", "David Bowie", and "Mick
    Jagger;David Bowie").

    cvp
     
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    cvp Guest

    OK Stephan, I understand you don't want it!

    "I'd download one various artist album and I'd instantly have 10-20 new
    artists cluttering up my list that I didn't want there but couldn't do
    anything about."

    That's a different problem (Album Artist vs Artist), but, if you don't care
    about which artists are in your library, I understand this function doesn't
    mean much to you. I do care.

    cvp
     
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    Charlie Tame Guest

    60,000 eh? Well then I do understand fully your need for some
    automation. (Read your replies first)

    Actually I managed to do an app to use as a kind of timed "Jukebox" at
    work with Visual Studio and WMP is not that bad to work with once you
    figure a few things out, it's beyond my ability but I think you can
    pretty much change the way the indexing works and so on. you might try a
    question in the VS newsgroup to see if anyone's playing with that. You
    may not be able to change the app but you might be able to manipulate
    the files a bit from outside - it's like one big ActiveX control. I
    actually built my own database. Very crude but also indestructible which
    was essential :) Simpler the better in that case.

    In fact our door alarm at work is WMP 6.4 that is simply called each
    time a switch closes with the switching detected by a DIO board to
    deliver the url of one of 20 MP3 files.

    I'm sure there's a much more elaborate way to do it but it's worked
    flawlessly for 3 years and cost 1/10th what a commercial product was
    selling for :)
     
    Charlie Tame, Sep 30, 2007
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    cvp Guest

    Door Alarm! Wow! Would never have thought about using WMP for that.

    If I stay with windows, WMP does all I need. But I'm trying to position
    myself for possible migration/coexistence with Linux. Part of that is either
    Linux player with WMA, or Windows & Linux players with Flac (along with
    ensuring the integrity of the tags if I convert them to Flac. I have other
    reasons for liking Flac - Squeezeboxes. So I'm investigating WMA players,
    Flac players and WMA to Flac conversion in three parallel paths. All a bit
    troublesome!

    This is not to mention >2TB support, Raid support, TV Tuner support and a
    bunch of Win apps I depend on.
    So I'm in the position of not wanting to be tied to the one proprietary
    platform that does everything I need.
    Perverse eh? <g>
     
    cvp, Sep 30, 2007
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    tim Guest

    try media monkey the soundqualty is very good if you are a audiophile and it
    has a good file menu
     
    tim, Sep 30, 2007
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    cvp Guest

    Tim,

    Thanks for the suggestion, but I already tried it. The V2 doesn't handle
    multiple artists at all. The V3 Beta does recognize them in WMA tracks, but
    merely displays them all as a single artist in the artist field (same true
    for conversions, whee it actually moves them to a single tag). The indexing
    merges Album artist and Artist which is a bitconfusing. However V3 isn't
    finished yet, so I'm keeping my eye on it. A pretty neat program even tho
    Windows only. It's probably the closest I've found so far and easy
    conversion too.
     
    cvp, Sep 30, 2007
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    MICHAEL Guest

    * cvp:
    Media Monkey. I love it.

    They offer a free and paid version.
    http://www.mediamonkey.com/
    http://www.mediamonkey.com/download.htm


    Take care,

    Michael
     
    MICHAEL, Sep 30, 2007
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    MICHAEL Guest

    I just posted a reply about Media Monkey before I had seen
    this post.

    I like Media Monkey very much, it's well worth paying for the
    Gold version. It's a lot more stable and useful than WMP.
    Hopefully, V3 will do what you want.


    Take care,

    Michael

    * cvp:
     
    MICHAEL, Sep 30, 2007
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    cvp Guest

    Tim,
    I'm backing off my previous reply a little after a morning's research into
    the Media Monkey Forums and downloading the latest Beta of V3.
    a) The multiple artists are no longer concatenated into an additional artist
    b) The indexing I want is in the "wish list"
    c) Apparently V3 will "make nice" with WINE (not perfect but better than
    nothing)
     
    cvp, Sep 30, 2007
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    cvp Guest

    Michael,

    I'm really impressed by it as well. I updated my reply to Tim by adding:

    "I'm backing off my previous reply a little after a morning's research into
    the Media Monkey Forums and downloading the latest Beta of V3.
    a) The multiple artists are no longer concatenated into an additional artist
    b) The indexing I want is in the "wish list"
    c) Apparently V3 will "make nice" with WINE (not perfect but better than
    nothing)"

    Paying the extra for the Gold version is not a problem. (a rounding error in
    what my setup has cost!)
    It'll be somewhat strange that the best Linux solution I can find is a
    paid-for emulated Windows application!

    I still have-to make a separate decision on WMA vs Flac
     
    cvp, Sep 30, 2007
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