ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by PA Bear [MS MVP], Apr 18, 2008.

  1. To correct myself...

    Hotmail customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other
    clients such as Thunderbird.

    I meant Hotmail PLUS customers are able to utilize POP3 as they currently
    do...


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    Microsoft Corporation
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    Windows Live Mail Technologies Support, Apr 21, 2008
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  2. cf. http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5D6F5A79A79B6708!5441.entry
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    PA Bear [MS MVP], Apr 21, 2008
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  3. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    ...winston Guest

    Scott,
    The above (1.8 or later) may be somewhat confusing to those having Office available but currently using OE for Hotmail.

    a. The version number of the current available Outlook Connector on the msft download site is [4]
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...6a-931e-438a-950c-5e9ea66322d4&displaylang=en

    b. On the same site and within the available downloadable *.doc/*.docx file for the current OL Connector is referred to as version
    12.0
    "Microsoft Office Outlook Connector 12.0"
     
    ...winston, Apr 22, 2008
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  4. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    Chris Guest

    :

    NB: There are Windows Live Hotmail subscribers who currently access their
    account(s) in OE via POP3. This change will not affect them.

    Thank you for this information. So does this mean that when the new changes
    take place on 30 June that:

    1-Only HTTP Hotmail will stop working with Outlook Express and POP3 access
    will carry on as usual?
    2- MSN Messenger will stop working unless live mail is installed?
    3- One cannot install both live mail and outlook express?

    I have a subscription hotmail account and currently access it with both POP3
    and HTTP with simultaneous syncronization. I do not really wish to change to
    windows live mail so I really hope that I can continue using Hotmail with
    POP3. With the new changes I will miss not being able to access "Sent Items"
    and "Bulk Mail" from Outlook Express on the HTTP server, but so be it.

    Kind Regards
    Chris
     
    Chris, Apr 22, 2008
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  5. If you're currently able to access your Hotmail account in OE or OL /via
    POP3/ (e.g., as a Hotmail Plus subscriber or an Outlook Connector user), the
    change will not affect you.

    If you're currently able to access your Hotmail account in OE or OL /via
    WebDAV/ (aka HTML) as a Hotmail Plus subscriber or an Outlook Connector
    user, you must switch to POP3 access by 30 June 2008; see set-up instrux
    here:
    http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry.

    At some time in the near future, Outlook Connector users will have to
    upgrade the application.

    AFAIK MSN/Windows Live Messenger functionality is *not* dependant on having
    Windows Live Mail installed. (There are specific newsgroups for both
    Messengers where you can ask about this.)

    One can have both Windows Live Mail and OE installed (in WinXP SP2) but only
    one of them can be the default Mail Client. Installing Windows Live Mail in
    WinXP SP2 will delete your shortcuts to OE in Start menu and Quick Launch
    bar.
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Apr 22, 2008
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  6. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    Chris Guest

    Thanks, just what I needed to know.

    Kind Regards
    Chris
     
    Chris, Apr 23, 2008
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    SaGS Guest

    I have to correct something said in that interview: GMAil *DOES* have IMAP
    support for quite some time now (but I am not very sure when it was
    introduced, relative to that interview's date). So when DAV support for
    Hotmail goes away, I think I'll switch completely to GMail. My Hotmail
    account will probably have the same faith as my Yahoo! account: 100% unused,
    because of not being able to access it from OE.
     
    SaGS, Apr 23, 2008
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    N. Miller Guest

    There are third party POP proxies which will work (sometimes) with web mail
    accounts.

    OTOH, I don't use MSOE except for Hotmail accounts. I have installed WLM. It
    isn't much better than MSOE, nor worse, really, but it works with Hotmail
    accounts.

    For POP3 accounts, I use a combination of Mercury/32 (fetches POP3 email),
    and Pegasus Mail (reads directly from Mercury/32 message store without
    configuring for POP3, or SMTP).

    Once WebDAV is gone, I will have no need at all for MSOE.

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    Norman
    ~Shine, bright morning light,
    ~now in the air the spring is coming.
    ~Sweet, blowing wind,
    ~singing down the hills and valleys.
     
    N. Miller, Apr 23, 2008
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    VanguardLH Guest

    In a virtual machine, I tested FreePOPs to see if it worked with free
    Hotmail accounts. It does, sort of. When it works, it works. It
    doesn't always work. Don't know if the LUAs (plug-ins) try to use
    screen scraping or URL parsing to manipulate the webmail site. I had
    used YahooPOPs for several years. If Yahoo changed enough of the screen
    or their URLs for navigation then YahooPOPs went dead until the author
    scrambled to fix it. If Yahoo shoved in their infrequent CAPTCHA
    security screen during the login process, YahooPOPs could tell you about
    it but it never worked to try to get YahooPOPs to enter your code
    because a new login started which would require a different CAPTCHA.
    FreePOPs doesn't look to have the same level of immediacy in getting
    problems fixed as did YahooPOPs (which I eventually dropped because it
    was still to unstable, often requiring me to restart it every couple of
    days).
    Keeping alive my freebie Hotmail accounts is the only reason why I might
    install Windows Live Hotmail. I only keep them around for 2 reasons:
    there are some Microsoft sites that require a Passport account and I'd
    rather not register a non-Hotmail account to get a Passport account to
    use those sites (I think webcasts are like that), and someday I may have
    to move which means I lose my e-mail address at my ISP (but there are
    other free choices).

    Now that Gmail added IMAP, I might not bother keeping my Hotmail
    accounts with their DeltaSync's IMAP-like synchronization. DeltaSync
    sounds great but usually has someone noting that it is developed due to
    mailboxes that have tens of thousands of e-mails in them in numerous
    folders. That might be true in a corporate Hotmail account or for a
    SOHO but not anything I would have for a personal account. With POP3
    and repeated polling throughout the day, I have maybe 3 to 6 e-mails
    waiting for me, at most, for any one mail poll. Most mail polls have
    nothing to yank. I get a good laugh at the gigabyte wars between Yahoo,
    Gmail, and Hotmail trying to continually up their disk quota far beyond
    anything that I would ever use. 100MB is more than I need. If anyone
    sends me a big e-mail to consume a major portion of my disk quota,
    they'll get my boot in their butt. E-mail sucks for file transfer.
    Even Microsoft has their Skyline service to let users put large files up
    in online storage, and there are plenty of other methods to transfer
    large files without bloating an e-mail with the text-coded MIME parts
    for them.
    Does Pegasus support regular expressions (and on any header)? I
    remember looking at it before but didn't have to test it much. Mercury
    is a mail server and I wasn't going to go that far to control my
    e-mails.

    I suspect that DeltaSync might be technically a better protocol than
    IMAP but that's not enough for me to bother with it. Unless Microsoft
    publishes the protocol so other e-mail clients can incorporate it,
    DeltaSynce will be another one-off experiment by Microsoft to eventually
    get replaced later by something else that better suites their goals.
    Although not perfect, POP survived for 28 years and IMAP for 18 years.
    WebDAV survived 8 years, was proprietary, and its demise was not decided
    outside of the one entity that created it. And now we're expected to go
    to another proprietary protocol that survives depending on one entity's
    decision. If it is so great, they need to publish it and go through the
    RFC process so it really does become a standard. One e-mail provider
    using a proprietary protcol for which only their e-mail clients will
    work is not what I want to lock myself into. Yes, I can pay them to use
    non-proprietary protocols but I don't need to.

    Webmail access (the only access method that has survived), give POP3
    access, drop POP3 access except for legacy accounts, WebDAV for all
    accounts, drop WebDAV except for paid and legacy accounts, bring back
    POP3 but only for some accounts, drop WebDAV completely, then go to
    DeltaSync. That's 7 changes 12 years, maybe more if I missed some of
    them. No wonder users have difficulties figuring out how to access a
    Hotmail account. "What's it this year?"
     
    VanguardLH, Apr 24, 2008
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    GEEKETTE Guest

    What will happen to my mom who uses OE WIN98SE with DSL off of our XP network
    home hub to get email from msn, sbc and gmail accounts? She manages groups
    for seniors and keeps it all organized by the email address but is able to
    deal with all of it in WIN98SE OE - The MSN accts appear to be http, the sbc
    and gmail are pop/smtp - I'm not an expert, just want to prepare her. She'd
    love to keep things just the way she uses it now...
     
    GEEKETTE, Apr 25, 2008
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  11. Use Internet Explorer.

     
    Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM, Apr 25, 2008
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  12. Mom will have to subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year)and
    then reconfigure the account to be accessed via POP3 before 30 June 2008.
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    MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
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    PA Bear [MS MVP], Apr 25, 2008
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    N. Miller Guest

    For somebody who wants to use a client that is not a viable solution. In
    fact, the only viable solution for Windows 98 it to pony up $20 a year for
    the Windows Live Hotmail account, and use any POP3 client for access.
    Otherwise, give up on Hotmail and switch to Gmail.

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    Norman
    ~Shine, bright morning light,
    ~now in the air the spring is coming.
    ~Sweet, blowing wind,
    ~singing down the hills and valleys.
     
    N. Miller, Apr 25, 2008
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    Leonard Grey Guest

    Aren't you concerned about using such an insecure operating system? Even
    if all you do is send and receive e-mail.
     
    Leonard Grey, Apr 25, 2008
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    ANONYMOUS Guest

    She will need to download and start using Windows Live Mail available free of charge from here:

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...45f6-4d14-a7dc-51e13d11a950&displaylang=en&tm

    The service is completely free as far as I know because I am using it!!!
     
    ANONYMOUS, Apr 25, 2008
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    ANONYMOUS Guest

    You can access yahoo.co.uk in Outlook Express, Outlook or any other email client
    you care to use (BUT YOU CAN'T ACCESS YAHOO.COM). Also, Windows Live Mail is a
    replacement for OE and one should try it before changing email accounts. It
    allows access to hotmail account.
     
    ANONYMOUS, Apr 25, 2008
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    GEEKETTE Guest

    She does pay $19.95 per year - will she not be affected? Are there any
    changes she needs to make to the way her OE gets her MSN Mail? It is http:
    in the settings, the other two are pop3.

    She doesn't like the process she has to go through to keep her mail handy
    using the gmail or sbc interface, I'm not sure how she'll feel about the New
    Win webmail. Still, will the new Windows Live Mail install on WIN98? I
    would guess not but couldn't find any specifics on that either.

    Thanks for the help!

     
    GEEKETTE, Apr 25, 2008
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    GEEKETTE Guest

    Any ides where to find the info to reconfigure it? I can probably make the
    changes but I wouldn't know what the settings should be changed to. Thanks
    for all the help folks!

     
    GEEKETTE, Apr 25, 2008
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    mae Guest

    No, the new mail will not install on "98;
    Since she apparently has what is called Live Hotmail Plus?,
    she can change the server from http to POP.
    If you sign-in to the Live Hotmail account on the web,
    there are full instructions for the settings.
    It is one of the FAQ's.
    I have set that up on a 98 for a test and it works.
    I do have to set the filters, options etc. on the web (at this time)

    mae

    | She does pay $19.95 per year - will she not be affected? Are there any
    | changes she needs to make to the way her OE gets her MSN Mail? It is http:
    | in the settings, the other two are pop3.
    |
    | She doesn't like the process she has to go through to keep her mail handy
    | using the gmail or sbc interface, I'm not sure how she'll feel about the New
    | Win webmail. Still, will the new Windows Live Mail install on WIN98? I
    | would guess not but couldn't find any specifics on that either.
    |
    | Thanks for the help!
    |
    | "GEEKETTE" wrote:
    |
    | > What will happen to my mom who uses OE WIN98SE with DSL off of our XP
    network
    | > home hub to get email from msn, sbc and gmail accounts? She manages groups
    | > for seniors and keeps it all organized by the email address but is able to
    | > deal with all of it in WIN98SE OE - The MSN accts appear to be http, the sbc
    | > and gmail are pop/smtp - I'm not an expert, just want to prepare her. She'd
    | > love to keep things just the way she uses it now...
    | >
    | > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    | >
    | > > [Crossposted to OE General, OE6, IE General, & IE6 newsgroups; Followup-To
    | > > set for OE General]
    | > >
    | > > Microsoft Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express
    | > > <quote>
    | > > As of June 30, 2008, Microsoft is disabling the DAV protocol and you will
    no
    | > > longer be able to access your Hotmail Inbox [or other Hotmail folders] via
    | > > Outlook Express...
    | > > </quote>
    | > > Source:
    | > > http://emailsupport.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!5D6F5A79A79B6708!5359.entry
    | > >
    | > > ======================
    | > >
    | > > Please Note:
    | > >
    | > > 1. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ disable your access to Outlook
    | > > Express.
    | > >
    | > > 2. Installing Windows Live Mail /may/ change your default Mail Client from
    | > > Outlook Express to Windows Live Mail.
    | > >
    | > > 3. The Windows Live "all-in-one" installer /may/ install more than just
    | > > Windows Live Mail. If you decide to try Windows Live Mail, UNCHECK any
    | > > unwanted Windows Live applications (e.g., Windows Live Messenger; Windows
    | > > Live Toolbar; Windows Live Family Safety) before proceeding with the
    | > > installation!
    | > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    | > >
    | > > Windows Live Mail-specific newsgroup:
    | > > microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
    | > >
    | > > Via the web-interface:
    | > >
    http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...dg=microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
    | > >
    | > > Via your newsreader:
    | > > news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
    | > > --
    | > > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    | > > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
    | > > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
    | > > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
    | > >
    | > >
     
    mae, Apr 25, 2008
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  20. See the settings for POP3 access here:
    http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry
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    PA Bear [MS MVP], Apr 26, 2008
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