ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook Express

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by PA Bear [MS MVP], Apr 18, 2008.

  1. Please do some research before posting such information: Windows Live Mail
    is *not* supported in Win9x.
    --
    ~PA Bear
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Apr 26, 2008
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  2. There are several ways to access a US- and CA-based Yahoo account via POP3.

    Windows Live Mail is an alternate mail client, it is not a replacement for
    OE.
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Apr 26, 2008
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  3. Can't.
    She has Win98.
     
    Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM, Apr 26, 2008
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  4. I see no reason that this isn't THE correct answer




     
    David Morgan \(MAMS\), Apr 26, 2008
    #44

  5. Thanks, but it's certainly not the only answer. Only the end user can
    decide which is best.
     
    Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM, Apr 26, 2008
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  6. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    ...winston Guest

    After subscribing to Hotmail Plus
    http://get.live.com/en-us/mailplus/features

    If you find that OE defaults to one of the following(after entry of hotmail or msn or live.com address)
    a. an http account
    b. an http server
    c. a message indicating that http is not supported

    To overcome the above issue, restart the process and instead of <yourusername>@hotmail.com temporarily enter
    <yourusername>@xyz.com, once the balance of the pop3 settings are configured correctly , go back and edit the email address field
    in the incoming server to the correct email address, then test the account(send yourself a message)

    Use of Pop3 for a Hotmail Plus account will not synchronize any additional user folders created within the Hotmail account using
    the prior interface(OE or the Web[Hotmail.com])
    - the Junk Mail folder will have to be monitored via the web interface(hotmail.com or mail.live.com)
    - any user created folder within the prior http Hotmail account will not appear locally.
    - rules created within the Hotmail web interfaced will continue to function(if moved to the web based user folders, those messages
    will not appear in the OE Inbox. If the local Inbox is the preferred destination, delete the rules in the web interface and create
    new ones locally in OE.
     
    ...winston, Apr 26, 2008
    #46
  7. SPAM!!
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Apr 26, 2008
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  8. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    N. Miller Guest

    If she intends to stay with Windows 98SE, and if she does not care for the
    way that POP3 email works (email is downloaded to the client) her only hope
    is Gmail.

    RECAP:

    Windows Live Hotmail will stop working with WebDAV on June 30, so MS Outlook
    Express will no longer work with Hotmail accounts. They are switching to
    DeltaSync, which only Windows Live Mail has; WLM does not run on Windows
    98SE.

    Windows Live Hotmail Plus (the paid account) will allow POP3/SMTP access;
    exactly the same as 'at&t Yahoo! HSI' (which is the new, official name for
    the SBC service).

    Gmail, however, can be configured for IMAP access instead of POP3 access. MS
    Outlook Express will continue to work with IMAP accounts.

    The 'at&t Yahoo! HSI' accounts can be configured to forward email to another
    service. Gmail can be configured to pull email from POP3 accounts. So, for
    your mother, Gmail will be the best option. Either forward the 'at&t Yahoo!
    HSI' email to the Gmail account, or set Gmail to pull it. Either forward the
    Windows Live Hotmail email to the Gmail account, or set Gmail to pull it.
    Turn on IMAP access in the "Forwarding and POP/IMAP" section of the Gmail
    account settings, and configure MS Oulook Express to use IMAP with the Gmail
    account. Configuring the SMTP servers will be tricky, though; MSOE does not
    have an easy way to configure multiple SMTP servers with a single IMAP
    account.

    --
    Norman
    ~Shine, bright morning light,
    ~now in the air the spring is coming.
    ~Sweet, blowing wind,
    ~singing down the hills and valleys.
     
    N. Miller, Apr 26, 2008
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    ANONYMOUS Guest

    and you helped him by posting his links verbatim!!

    and you helped him by posting his links verbatim!!

    and you helped him by posting his links verbatim!!

    And you helped him by posting his links verbatim!!

    Please refrain from replying to spammers if they are what you claim to be!
     
    ANONYMOUS, Apr 26, 2008
    #49
  10. No, I munged the links.
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Apr 26, 2008
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    Anon Guest

    Boo Boo Boo -- My OE works just fine. I resent being forced off Hotmail when
    my OE works perfectly fine with it.
     
    Anon, Apr 27, 2008
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  12. Alex Plantema, Apr 27, 2008
    #52
  13. You refer to a Microsoft Service Agreement for all Windows Live
    applications, not just Windows Live Mail.

    These applications include OneCare and OneCare Family Safety, either of
    which may remove Potentially Unwanted Software whose removal "may cause
    other software [not necessarily Windows Live or MS software] on your
    computer to stop working, and it may cause you to breach a license to use
    other software [ditto] on your computer"; (e.g., using OneCare to remove the
    "sponsor software" which may be included when you install Messenger Plus,
    depending on how MP is installed).

    I am neither an apologist/evangelist for nor do I represent Microsoft.
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Apr 27, 2008
    #53
  14. You're not "being forced off Hotmail" in Outlook Express (OE) since you have
    the option of becoming a Hotmail Plus subscriber. (If you created your free
    Hotmail account after 27 September 2004, you wouldn't have been able to
    access it in OE in the first place without being a Hotmail Plus subscriber.)

    Effective 30 June 2008, OE will not work "perfectly fine" with your Hotmail
    account if it's not set up as a POP3 account (which would require (1) a
    Hotmail Plus subscription and (2) reconfiguring the account settings.

    This change also applies to free Hotmail accounts accessed in MS Outlook
    /if/ Outlook Connector isn't installed. (And Outlook Connector users will
    have to upgrade from their current version.)
    --
    ~PA Bear
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Apr 27, 2008
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    N. Miller Guest

    More so than MS Outlook Express? Could you elaborate?
    WebDAV isn't, exactly, an "established" protocol. It is, and always has
    been, a closed-source, proprietary protocol. And anybody using MSN Hotmail
    between the time that they shut off POP3/SMTP access, and shut of WebDAV
    access has been locked in to using Microsoft e-mail clients. With the
    possible exception of IncrediMail, which is probably the only client worse
    than MS Outlook Express, I can't think of a client which includes support
    for WebDAV. This is what happens with closed-source, proprietary systmes.

    "Established" protocols, at least of the open source variety, are:

    POP3
    IMAP
    SMTP

    MS Outlook Express will continue to support those "estabished" protocols,
    and even Windows Live Hotmail will support them on the paid accounts.
    Or they might just be "going with the flow". Of four people, whom I help
    with computer support, none routinely use a desktop e-mail client; only one
    even knows what an e-mail client is. I'd guess that 65% to 70% of the users
    on the Internet, and 85% to 90% of new users, don't even know that there is
    more to the Internet than the web.

    --
    Norman
    ~Shine, bright morning light,
    ~now in the air the spring is coming.
    ~Sweet, blowing wind,
    ~singing down the hills and valleys.
     
    N. Miller, Apr 27, 2008
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  16. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    N. Miller Guest

    And you have the Wireshark logs to prove that assertion?

    --
    Norman
    ~Shine, bright morning light,
    ~now in the air the spring is coming.
    ~Sweet, blowing wind,
    ~singing down the hills and valleys.
     
    N. Miller, Apr 27, 2008
    #56

  17. I'm glad to hear that. ;-)

    DM

    Too many open ports these days.....
     
    David Morgan \(MAMS\), Apr 28, 2008
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  18. PA Bear [MS MVP] schreef in
    Thank you for your explanation.
     
    Alex Plantema, Apr 29, 2008
    #58
  19. YW, Alex. Thanks for posting back.
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Apr 29, 2008
    #59
  20. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    ...winston Guest

    I'm happy to report and clear up some confusion(mine and maybe others) on
    the OLC version number.
    Provided and permitted for use by Scott Hammer, Msft.
    <qp>
    Outlook Connector 12 is the latest version.
    The link below is the OLC that will be DeltaSynch compliant.
    </qp>

    Here's the link for Outlook Connector Version 12
    <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...6a-931e-438a-950c-5e9ea66322d4&displaylang=en>

    Scott, thanks again...we appreciate the additional info !
     
    ...winston, May 1, 2008
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