Anti Virus Protection?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by William F. Welner, Sep 29, 2007.

  1. Does one have to purchase a separate anti Virus program for Windows Vista?

    The Computer Shop that sold me my new PC told me that Virus protection is
    provided as part of Windows Vista.

    Immediately turned the PC on I received a message recommending that I
    purchase an anti Virus program.

    I am confused. Please provided me advice on the Anti Virus issue.

    Bill Welner
     
    William F. Welner, Sep 29, 2007
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  2. William F. Welner

    Cal Bear '66 Guest

    Windows Vista does NOT come with built-in virus protection.

    Both Avast and AVG have Vista compatible anti-virus programs free for home
    users.


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    Cal Bear '66, Sep 29, 2007
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  3. The shop may have confused MS Windows Defender (which comes standard with Vista) as being an anti-virus. It's not.
    IF & only if the shop added MS OneCare (which it does not appear so), then antivirus is in there.

    If money is an issue (and it truly is self-defeating to scrimp money for AV), a strong recommendation is Avira AntiVir PE Classic (only for personal use) at http://www.free-av.com/ as a free AV
    May I personnaly suggest you NOT get AVG antivirus (the free edition). Other AV products are much better.

    You also truly need an anti-malware (though some products are now including both anti-malware & AV into 1 suite).
    My personal favorite is CounterSpy from Sunbelt Software. The AVG Anti-Spyware is also good.

    iirc, companies like Panda & TrendMicro are offering packages that include AV & anti-malware.
     
    Maurice N ~ MVP, Sep 29, 2007
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  4. You got bad information from the computer shop. No version of Windows
    has ever come with Virus protection.

    Unfortunately, getting misinformation from clerks in stores selling
    computers is common, especially if the stores are of the big chain
    variety--BestBuy, Circuit City, CompUSA, etc. Most of these places
    choose the people they hire based on their willingness to accept
    something close to minimum wage, not based on their skills. If these
    people knew anything, almost certainly they could get a better
    job.

    However, you can download and install excellent freeware antivirus
    software. I recommend Avast! at http://www.avast.com/
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Sep 29, 2007
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  5. One needn't necessarily "purchase" an anti-virus application, as there
    are some free (for personal use) products that will more than meet your
    needs. But you most definitely do *need* to have a 3rd party anti-virus
    solution installed, as Vista has *no* built-in anti-virus protection,
    whatsoever. Two of the better and most popular are:

    Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition
    http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html

    AVG Anti-Virus and Internet Security - AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition
    http://www.grisoft.com/doc/download-free-anti-virus/us/crp/6#details


    They either deliberately lied or are woefully ignorant of all things
    computer-related. Either way, and for either reason, I'd strongly
    recommend that you never do any business with them again. If, for some
    reason, you simply must patronize this shop, be sure to do your homework
    ahead of time and don't ever take any of their advice on technical issues.

    Correct. That's the Security Center warning you that you have a very
    serious security vulnerability. However, you need not "purchase" an
    anti-virus application, just install one.


    Disconnect the computer from the Internet until you have a good
    anti-virus solution in place.


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    Bruce Chambers, Sep 29, 2007
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  6. I think the staff in the Computer shop where you purchased your PC need
    re-educating. Vista doesn't contain any anti virus software and neither has
    any other version of Windows, for that matter. It contains a firewall and
    anti spyware software, but that is all.

    I suggest you download the 'free' versions of either AVG anti virus
    (http://free.grisoft.com) or Avast anti virus (http://www.avast.com)

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    John Barnett MVP, Sep 29, 2007
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  7. William F. Welner

    Dave T. Guest

    Is it possible that what they meant was that an AV program has been
    installed to the hard drive from the OEM, but the OP must buy a license?
    My machine came with Norton, but it was only good for a couple of months
    and then they wanted money. I dumped it for Avast.
     
    Dave T., Sep 29, 2007
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  8. It is often true that software (of various types) is bundled with a
    computer when it is sold. It doesn't have to be a trial version, as it
    was in your case. For example, some computers come with Microsoft
    Office, some with Microsoft Works, and some with Corel WordPerfect.

    However, software's coming with the *computer* is very different from
    such software coming with Windows. The OP was told that it came with
    Windows, and that is simply false. He was either lied to or sold a
    computer by an ignorant salesperson.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Sep 29, 2007
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  9. Vista does not contain an antivirus program but the computer manufacturer
    may have included a trial version of some AV as part of their software
    package.

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    Richard Urban, Sep 30, 2007
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  10. William F. Welner

    munchie Guest

    As someone who works at one of those "big computer shops", I'd like to
    say that some of us do the job because we genuinely like talking-to
    and education people. That said, no, Windows does not come with any
    built-in antivirus software--though Microsoft does sell their own
    which I whole-heartily would NOT recommend.
    include Kaspersky, Nod32, and Trend Micro. If you're looking for some
    additional antispyware protection then definitely checkout Webroot
    Spysweeper and PC Tool's Spyware Doctor (not to be confused with the
    malicious Spyware Dr.)

    You can run many antispyware programs if you desire, but stay away
    from running multiple antivirus programs. They'll eat eachother
    alive!

    -- Munchie
     
    munchie, Sep 30, 2007
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  11. William

    Find another computer store.

    Windows has NO native av protection. Use AVG or Avast free versions, or if
    you don't mind paying, NOD32 is good.

    Avoid any solution from Symantec or McAfee..
     
    Mike Hall - MVP, Sep 30, 2007
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  12. I certainly don't suggest that no employee of such a store knows
    anything. My point is rather that few of them do, and therefore
    relying on what you are told there is foolhardy. If you are an
    exception, I'm glad to hear it.



    No, there's nothing wrong with installing and even running multiple
    anti-virus programs. What you should not do is run them
    *simultaneously*.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Sep 30, 2007
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  13. William F. Welner

    Chris Game Guest

    Why? It tests well.
     
    Chris Game, Oct 1, 2007
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  14. William F. Welner

    Leythos Guest

    Every computer that we've seen using AVG in a couple Sororities was
    compromised while running updated and properly installed AVG. Only the
    MAC, PC's with Symantec Corporate Edition and one with Computer Assoc AV
    software have remained uncompromised over the last 3 years.

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    Leythos, Oct 1, 2007
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  15. I've seen too many cases of infected systems that had AVG AV (free edition). It's a case of you get what you pay for and of other products being more effective and sturdy.
     
    Maurice N ~ MVP, Oct 2, 2007
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  16. William F. Welner

    S. Viatoris Guest

    I just got my computer from BestBuy. They installed TrendMicro Anti-Virus.
    It was humming along just fine. Suddenly, this morning, the Security Center
    says it can't find my anti-virus program. TrendMicro is definitely running.
    Can you help me understand what is going on? How can I convince Vista
    Security Center that TrendMicro is running and that I want it to monitor this
    anti-virus program? Thanks!
     
    S. Viatoris, Mar 23, 2008
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  17. William F. Welner

    Gordon Guest


    And how is that related to the post to which you replied?
    Please start a new thread for a new problem.
    Thank you.
     
    Gordon, Mar 25, 2008
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  18. William F. Welner

    gullette Guest

    Just for the record, I've gotten some very good information from some of the
    clerks I've dealt with at BestBuy and CompUSA along with some bad information
    from others at the same places. I've found it really to be no different than
    the ratio at places hiring "only the best". Some of the worst information
    I've seen spread around has come from the so-called and sometimes self-called
    experts on internet forums. Of course some of the best information comes
    from those sources as well. I'm sure you would like to consider yourself
    among that latter group, so I might offer a suggestion that you be a bit more
    careful with such comments in the future. While your own sample may be
    skewed in the direction you indicated, it can be, at best, only a
    representation of a tiny subset of all the many fine folks who are working in
    those positions without the arrogance it perhaps requires to be an internet
    forum "expert". Thanks.
     
    gullette, Jul 3, 2008
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  19. William F. Welner

    Beoweolf Guest

    The difference?
    In a commercial venue - you should expect a "professional" would know what
    he or she is taking about.
    For Free - well, free advice comes with a built in caution. Common sense
    dictates that, generally, you get what you pay for. When dealing with a
    forum, you learn who gives good advice, who doesn't - eventually you learn
    to read, research old posts ad archives, even wait a day or two giving many
    people a chance to offer a solution before trying to act on the advice.
    Matter of fact, it would be better to even research the advice for yourself
    after you find a likely solution/answer.

    No doubt there are questionable replies to messages on forums. You can not
    expect a warranty for "free" information. I find it strange when someone
    posts to a forum/BBS...usually because they do not want to spend the money
    to hire a consultant/professional or are the end result of proof that the
    "peter principle" is still alive and well.

    My way of thinking about forums is much like using a library or dictionary
    in particular. You have to know a little bit about the subject before you
    try to use them. If you know nothing - then hire a professional.
     
    Beoweolf, Jul 4, 2008
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  20. William F. Welner

    Beoweolf Guest

    Answering questions on a forum is all too often limited by the lack of
    information the OP provides. Even worse, more often than not, what is listed
    as the problem often has nothing at all to do with the root problem.

    The arrogance is usually on the part of the OP, he or she wrongly assumes
    that solutions are nothing more than pushing a few buttons. Much of the
    'problem', as I see it is Microsoft has done such a good job - with
    automatic installation, default configurations, developed wizards for most
    everything...that totally unqualified people are in positions way above
    their skill levels.

    Agreed, we all had to learn somewhere, but you don't learn, on a production
    system, at the expense of your employer. Combined that with common
    reluctance to actually read a manual once in a while and you get a pretty
    good idea of the quality of the questions that permeate the board. Very
    seldom do you see a really interesting problem, presented in a way that
    doesn't require 3 more messages just to detail what the real problem is.
    That is what worth the time of experts, the very people you choose to
    disparage.

    The rest of the us, including my meager efforts, answer questions because we
    hope, one day, someone will return the favor when we are at a loss.
     
    Beoweolf, Jul 4, 2008
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