Antivirus Solutions

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by Richard Urban, Sep 21, 2006.

  1. Isn't it funny as how the "major" players in the home security field
    (Symantec and McAfee) are bitc*ing and moaning about how Microsoft should
    get out of the security field and leave security to the "people who know"
    and have been doing it so well ( ???? ) for the last few years.

    Yet, these big players have not, as of yet, released any program suites ( or
    even a basic antivirus program) that work with Vista RC1!

    This is one of the reasons I have abandoned the big guys in favor of the
    smaller players. They are more nimble and responsive to the changing
    operating system as it approaches RTM status.

    I will "never" again install anything from either of these two manufacturers
    on my computers, or those I build for my customers.

    These two companies were the elite in the mid to late 90's. They have taken
    a big slide downhill and their attitude sucks!



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    Regards,

    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
     
    Richard Urban, Sep 21, 2006
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    Rock Guest

    How true. And Symantec just released their new version, Anti-Virus 2007.
    We had the first post about it in windowsxp.general where the OP was so
    frustrated. It wouldn't install properly, he said he had 16 on line chats
    with Symantec Tech support in which he was repeatedly disconnected or told
    to do something that required him to disconnect, none of which worked. He
    seemed amenable to the suggestion he seek out an alternative.
     
    Rock, Sep 21, 2006
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    Joe Chapman Guest

    I'm running the Beta Refresh III of McAfee VirusScan Enterprise 8.5i - the
    RTM version is released in October, a full month before Vista is released to
    businesses
     
    Joe Chapman, Sep 21, 2006
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  4. Please read my post again. That is not a "home" solution! That is an
    enterprise solution.

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    Regards,

    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
     
    Richard Urban, Sep 21, 2006
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    BChat Guest

    Well said - I agree
     
    BChat, Sep 21, 2006
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  6. I'm quite happy using trend micro
    and I have also had good experiences with AVG running on my xp pro system
    And I get the feeling Nortons and Mc Afee and chosen to abandon the home
    users in favor of their enterprise customers
    Back in the days when windows 98 was released nortons probably had the best
    antivirus software. Ever since those days they've gone downhill bigtime.
    Just about everyone I know has had huge problems running nortons products on
    a XP platform so much so that nortons have even released applications to
    uninstall their software anybody that has ever tried to cleanup after a
    failed installation will know exactly what I'm talking about
     
    Will Schuitman, Sep 21, 2006
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    Chris Moore Guest

    The change from antivirus to general overall security tools has lead to
    complete bloatware and has made what were good tools into complete garbage.

    I have on many occasions fixed clients/friends PCs or given them a huge
    performance hike by simply removing the bloat and installing better
    individual tools.

    The worst in my opinion is Norton which got bundled with everyone's computer
    and damn does that suck the life and resources out of a machine!! McAfee is
    heading the same way which is disappointing.

    Microsoft have done a reasonable job with OneCare which gets the job done in
    a very unobtrusive and less resource hogging manner. I hope the other look
    at the approach and follow suit. I am interested to see the OneCare beta
    for Vista which should be due any time soon.



    <DIV>&quot;Richard Urban&quot; &lt;&gt;
     
    Chris Moore, Sep 21, 2006
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  8. I've always been a huge fan of the smaller programs like Adaware and spybot
    search and destroy along with smaller more basic antivirus solutions
    I haven't had any experiences with Onecare yet but if it is as good a they
    say it is I'll be happy to use it.
    as long as it never goes down the path of nortons and Mc afee
     
    Will Schuitman, Sep 21, 2006
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  9. Richard Urban

    Chris Moore Guest

    OneCare works quite well and the product is evolving with seemingly good
    features based on the feedback from the Perpetual beta users. Also you have
    the license for 3 machines which is good value for most households with more
    than one computer these days! It is aimed more at less experienced users
    and lacks the advanced features but these days I am preferring 'set and
    forget' rather than 'nuts and bolts' approach to all these things as there
    are not enough hours in a day as it is!

    I still run other tools like Spybot and Ewido, a multifaceted approach to
    spyware is the best approach as no one tool trumps all!

    With less elevated priviledges in Vista I hope all the junk/viruses become
    less of an issue.

    Check the OneCare link in the Vista welcome center to sign up for the soon
    to be released Onecare 1.5 Vista beta.



    <DIV>&quot;Will Schuitman&quot; &lt;&gt; wrote in
     
    Chris Moore, Sep 21, 2006
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    Spirefm Guest

    I've used Norton ever since their first antivirus program but I agree totally
    with everything said. Last year with XP installing was a nightmare 'cos of
    their pathetic need to creat a 'Cleanup' program. Well things got even worse
    2 days ago. I reset the BIOS because I'd failed with an overclocking
    experiment. That reset the date back somewhat. I knew my PTBSync program
    would correct it within a minute so I didn't worry. Before it did that Norton
    went for an update and immediately came back with "Your subscription has
    terminated" even though it still has 100+ days to run. 6 emails later and 7
    reloads of the program (as instructed by Norton Support) I still am being
    told I can't update my virus definitions 'ocs my subscription is terminated,
    which makes the program useless. It is totally pathetic and, unless they sort
    it out soon, I'll make a complaint against Norton in The Common Market - that
    might shake them up a bit. Colin
     
    Spirefm, Sep 21, 2006
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    Chris Moore Guest

    There was a complete roasting of Symantec on Techrepublic.com and Symantec
    ended up replying but the general perception of Norton is that it's products
    have gone downhill since Symantec bought them up, true for other products in
    their range not just AV.



    <DIV>&quot;Spirefm&quot; &lt;&gt; wrote in
    message I've used Norton ever since their first antivirus program but I agree
    totally
     
    Chris Moore, Sep 21, 2006
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    Jane C Guest

    Agree completely. I recommend Avast to everyone now for antivirus. The
    price is good too....free ;-)
     
    Jane C, Sep 22, 2006
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    Rock Guest

    "Chris Moore"wrote
    <snip>

    There are some nice features in OneCare, especially for the user who is not
    very knowledgeable, and it has been evolving. The backup is rudimentary,
    last time I checked. The main problem is that the AV engine has poor
    detection rates compared to other AV programs.
     
    Rock, Sep 22, 2006
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    Rock Guest

    Symantec is a software house, not a software developer as Norton was. They
    take technology from other companies, repackage it, then add features and
    bloat to appeal to those people who want everything in one package so they
    don't have to think about it or learn about what's under the hood. Many
    posts come through windowsxp.general related to Symantec problems, and there
    is not much you can do about it. Trying to uninstall one of their products
    is horrendous. One of their recent sad forays was the purchase of
    PowerQuest, the creators of Drive Image and Partition Magic. The Drive
    Image Technology was incorporated in Norton Ghost 10 which is one of their
    better running programs. And fortunately they haven't destroyed Partition
    Magic - at least yet.
     
    Rock, Sep 22, 2006
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  15. My only concern is that I have always believed that "You get what you pay
    for."

    In other words, just because an application installs, especially when
    discussing an AV solution, as it proper to assume that it is providing
    proper protection?
     
    Mark D. VandenBerg, Sep 22, 2006
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    Jane C Guest

    We have a virus test folder here, Avast picks up everything in it. Its
    standard shield is extremely sensitive, and will pick up the slightest thing
    in any temp folder/file, well before anything can 'infect' you. It has
    never let us down. Unlike certain paid solutions in the past.
     
    Jane C, Sep 22, 2006
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    MICHAEL Guest


    Spot on. Avast does score much better than AVG in the VB tests.
    I am patiently waiting on NOD32 to finish their Vista version- they
    are the best.

    Currently using Trend's Vista beta on a laptop and Avast on a
    Vista desktop.


    -Michael
     
    MICHAEL, Sep 22, 2006
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    Bill Guest

    Just curious, how does one score better than 100%?
     
    Bill, Sep 22, 2006
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    Jeff Guest

    interesting; never looked at tests;but 100% huh?
    LOL-Shouldn't give virus writers any encouragement !!! LOL
    Jeff
     
    Jeff, Sep 22, 2006
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    MICHAEL Guest

    It's about more than one or two tests. An AV company can
    achieve the 100% award once and display that for many months
    even though they may not put themselves up to be tested
    again for a year.

    http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archive/results?display=vendors

    VB100% Results Overview: Grisoft (AVG)
    13 Success / 21 Failure / 13 No Entry

    VB100% Results Overview: Trend Micro
    14 Success / 7 Failure / 26 No Entry

    VB100% Results Overview: Alwil (Avast)
    18 Success / 19 Failure / 10 No Entry

    VB100% Results Overview: F-Secure
    23 Success / 12 Failure / 12 No Entry

    VB100% Results Overview: Computer Associates (eTrust/InoculateIT)
    24 Success / 11 Failure / 12 No Entry

    VB100% Results Overview: McAfee
    27 Success / 18 Failure / 2 No Entry

    VB100% Results Overview: Symantec
    33 Success / 6 Failure / 8 No Entry

    VB100% Results Overview: Sophos
    33 Success / 12 Failure / 2 No Entry

    VB100% Results Overview: Kaspersky
    34 Success / 13 Failure / 0 No Entry

    VB100% Results Overview: Eset (NOD32)
    39 Success / 3 Failure / 5 No Entry
    *23 Success in a row- the longest streak of any AV.*
     
    MICHAEL, Sep 22, 2006
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