Anyone else have IE7 under Vista crash way, way (and WAY) more often than under XP?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Keith Patrick, May 30, 2007.

  1. I've gotten to the point where I feel like punching my monitor because it's
    just gotten out of hand. Basically, Internet Explorer under Vista crashes
    every single day for me. I had previously pinned it on Flash because a few
    of the early messages have said that's the culprit (although really, IE
    still should be able to sandbox it enough not to crash the damn thing), but
    now I've turned Flash off, and it STILL happens. Is this something that is
    indicative of Vista in general (in other words, does pretty much everyone
    have this kind of "performance") or potentially something particular to my
    machine's setup? It was annoying, but after months of this, it's now to the
    point of being infuriating.

    Ever want to know how to turn a Microsoft apologist into an anti-Microsoft
    person? Install Vista on his machine. By far the most unstable and
    frustrating piece of Microsoft software I have ever installed on my machine
     
    Keith Patrick, May 30, 2007
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  2. Keith Patrick

    Rock Guest

    IE hasn't crashed once here, on Vista Ultimate, since it was installed in
    November. I'm on all day/everyday. I haven't installed Flash. No I don't
    think this is a common bug, though you are not the only one to see it.
     
    Rock, May 30, 2007
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  3. Keith Patrick

    Qu0ll Guest


    I've had Vista Ultimate x64 up and running for several months now and IE has
    never crashed in all that time. It looks like something peculiar to your
    setup. Actually, I run dozens and dozens of applications and have some
    pretty mean hardware and other than a very occasional BSOD I have had only a
    few crashes of any sort.

    Does anything else crash or is it just IE?

    --
    And loving it,

    -Q
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    (Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me)
     
    Qu0ll, May 30, 2007
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  4. Keith Patrick

    Ray Rogers Guest

    Run it without any add-ons, it's in Accessories-System Tools, and see if
    that helps. Then you can slowly turn them back on and see which one, if any,
    is the culprit.
    I had a problem like that with a program that adds to the right click menu.
     
    Ray Rogers, May 30, 2007
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  5. Just IE. Especially when it receives focus. The window will gray out, and
    then I get a Dr Watson message (but with no indication of the cause since I
    shut down Flash).
    Now, I do happen to do a LOT of web browsing (hundreds of links a day),
    which may explain why it happens so often for me. Could also be that I'm
    running an upgrade of Vista rather than a clean install, but given the
    myriad of other Vista issues (icon caching and UIs that won't update when
    their datasources update are particularly in-your-face problems)

    I'm hoping (probably foolishly) that the first service pack will fix a lot
    of these really obvious ones, but my suspicion is that the SP will come late
    next year and address a bunch of security and compatibility issues instead
    of bugs that I can see. This is coming from a software developer
    disenchanted with the state of the industry these days...the "good enough"
    bar has been lowered so that competitors can keep up with each other. Net
    loss, IMO.
     
    Keith Patrick, May 30, 2007
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  6. Keith Patrick

    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    zachd [MSFT], May 30, 2007
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  7. Keith Patrick

    Rock Guest

    Late "next" year? It's scheduled to be released when Longhorn Server is
    released which will come out at the SP1 level. The two will be in sync.
    That is scheduled, AFAIK, for the end of _this_ year.
     
    Rock, May 30, 2007
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  8. Several different ones. Here are a few:
    347223466
    347154985
    346005991


    Some of the more recent ones show up as having not been reported
     
    Keith Patrick, May 30, 2007
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  9. I was (hopefully) exaggerating. They haven't been very good at hitting their
    SP targets (Visual Studio 2005, for example, was supposed to have its pack
    out in September but it didn't release until November or so; a month or two
    may not seem like much, but when you are a software developer, and your IDE
    crashes every time you modify code during a breakpoint stop, it's an
    eternity spent cursing MS' quality control department). Regardless, it'll
    still be 2 quarters at a minimum before these types of bugs get fixed (MS
    generally doesn't fix this kind of thing with hotfixes)
     
    Keith Patrick, May 30, 2007
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  10. Keith Patrick

    Rick Rogers Guest

    Hi Keith,

    Incompatible or malignant plug-ins usually cause this problem. Try the steps
    I outlined for XP here, it's basically the same for IE in Vista:
    http://rickrogers.org/fixes.htm#plugin
     
    Rick Rogers, May 30, 2007
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  11. I've already shut down the only non-MS (and non-bundled) plug-ins: Flash and
    Adoble PDF Link Reader. It's royally screwed up my web browsing experience
    (can't view the MS Surface web page, for example) It's basically damned if
    you do, damned if you don't.
     
    Keith Patrick, May 30, 2007
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  12. Keith Patrick

    XS11E Guest

    Only the people who make Bandaids would recommend that! ;-)
    I don't blame you. It's your machine's setup but I can't imagine what
    it might be? The only suggestion I can make is to examine everything
    you've installed on the machine regardless if it relates to IE or not.
    Something is doing it, can you recall a time when it didn't crash? If
    so, what have you installed since then? What firewalls/AVs/malware
    detectors are you running? Have you tried turning off all such
    programs and then going to a site you know to be safe to see if it's
    better? (safe sites = your own webpage if you have one or
    Microsoft.com)
    I'm running Vista Ultimate 64 bit and other than a bit of frustration
    getting updated drivers for some hardware I've experienced no problems
    and I'm pretty sure your computer will run as well, we just have to
    find the problem.

    BTW, what about memory? That might be a cause of the problem, if
    you're using more than one stick of ram, remove all but one, try the
    computer and if it's OK, replace that one stick with the other(s) to
    see if one is causing to problem.

    And finally (probably should have been the first thing to check), the
    old, reliable, system crasher, your video card. Check to see you have
    the latest drivers, if you don't, then update, if you do, try reverting
    to earlier drivers. You might try using whatever Vista installs and
    see if that helps.


    Let us know, please.
     
    XS11E, May 30, 2007
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  13. Without getting into my entire system setup, most of the software on my
    machine is Microsoft. I don't install games, don't use non-MS antivirus,
    etc. I use the machine mainly for email (Outlook 03), web browsing (IE), and
    software development (VS2005). The main non-MS software on my system are the
    "essential" Adobe reader apps (Flash, Acrobat Reader).
    Not sure I want to try my machine with 1 stick of RAM. It's sluggish enough
    with a GB...1/2 has got to suck balls.
     
    Keith Patrick, May 30, 2007
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  14. Keith Patrick

    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    Those are all very specifically crashes in Flash9b.ocx 9.0.28.0 (those are
    all slightly common crash buckets, but they all intersect there and each is
    99.99% uniquely associated to Flash9b.ocx ), which is evidently still on
    your system. Where is that file on your system? You should either
    uninstall it, unregister it, or rename it such that it is *actually* off
    your system. When that file is gone, you should not hit this crash any
    longer. Does that work?

    If Flash9b.ocx isn't hidden away on your system right now, that would be a
    very strange intersection. It's certainly possible, but we're talking about
    less than a 0.1% chance.

    If this does work, go to http://adobe.com and get their Flash 9.0.45.0
    update which came out last month. Does that stop you from crashing? Heck,
    you could really skip straight to this step if you want - just reboot after
    you finish installing, so that Adobe can finish removing the old binaries.
    (Their installer won't tell you it needs to do this, so just trust me that
    they've dirtied the files-to-remove-on-reboot queue.)
     
    zachd [MSFT], May 30, 2007
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