Anyone else triple booting with XP, Vista and Ubuntu?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Bernie, Aug 10, 2006.

  1. Bernie

    Bernie Guest

    I finally bit the bullet and tried to get all three working again after
    my recent disaster with boot managers and lost partition tables. This
    time it all went smoothly and I can boot to any of the three.

    I get the linux grub thing first and from there can choose Ubuntu or
    Windows Boot Manager. The Windows Boot Manager gives the usual choice of
    Vista or XP.

    This is my first real look at Ubuntu ever and first for about 4 or 5
    years look at Linux. I still don't like a lot of things about Linux but
    Ubuntu is a great improvement over Red Hat and Mandrake of 4 years ago.

    Installing apps is much easier than it was and I'm generally finding I
    can figure out most of what I need to figure out about how things work.

    An annoyance is that I can't figure out how to adjust the screen
    positioning in Ubuntu. The screen is set too far to the right. If I
    adjust via the monitor then it is wrong for XP and Vista.

    Coming to Vista from Ubuntu makes Vista look quite stunning with Aero
    but it is slower.

    But a funny thing I noticed in Ubuntu is it has a very similar UAC thing
    going on to Vista. Up pops a dialog to enter a password into and the
    rest of the screen darkens at the same time.
     
    Bernie, Aug 10, 2006
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  2. Bernie

    Bob Treat Guest

    Am triple booting 2K, Vista and Kubuntu. But put grub on floppy and eject
    floppy when wanting to boot into Windows. This way when RC1 goes in it
    won't overwrite grub and cause a Linux restore to reinstall grub. Ubuntu
    has behaved in the way you describe when asking for root permission by
    darkening the screen for sometime. As for your monitor shifting, you
    probably don't have proprietary drivers installed for graphics and you may
    have a generic driver for your monitor. I'm not sure how exactly to get
    that done in Gnome but in KDE selecting system settings/display settings
    then a front end to change video and monitor under Hardware can get me where
    I need to be. Ubuntu detects hardware pretty well but it didn't recognize
    my monitor. I had to install a non-free linux kernel and then proprietary
    drivers for Nvidia to get correct refresh rates after manually selecting my
    monitor and restarting X. Then all would line up on the display like
    Windows. Nvidia drivers are avaiable in Synaptic as well as others.
     
    Bob Treat, Aug 10, 2006
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  3. Hi Bernie:

    My test computer finally came yesterday, so I am facing a few days of
    multi-boot fun. My plan is to use BootIt NG so my setup will be very
    different from yours.

    My immediate goal is to multi-boot Win2000, XP, XP x64, Vista and Vista
    x64, and to set up Win95/NT/98/Me under Virtual PC (no drivers for my
    video card), but I will probably try Linux later. What made you choose
    Ubuntu? I tried RedHat about 10 years ago, and again 5 years ago, but
    never really got into it.

    About the screen positioning, I currently have a KVM setup where the
    same issue arises. My Dell CRT monitor has separate settings for
    different "modes" so if I use different refresh rates for the different
    machines I can set them all up correctly. Maybe you could do the same?

    David Wilkinson
     
    David Wilkinson, Aug 10, 2006
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  4. Bernie

    Beck Guest

    Since installing Ubuntu have you actually been able to boot into Vista?
    Every time I install, grub corrupts my Vista bootloader.
     
    Beck, Aug 10, 2006
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  5. Bernie

    Raven Mill Guest

    One of the things to think about with using Linux is: There are VERY few
    reasons why you should have the bit-depth set to 32-bit for standard use of
    the OS as there is with windows, as very few linux apps take advantage of
    that. That might help your positionaing problem, but I doubt it. You
    didn't specify which video card you have, so I couldn't look to see if there
    was a driver update that I could suggest... Ontrick is to simply keep
    changing the screen settings. My monitor has an "auto-set" feature, which,
    at the push of a button, adjusts the display to where it needs to be. Have
    you tried looking through the menu on yours to see if it also has that
    feature hiding somewhere?
     
    Raven Mill, Aug 10, 2006
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  6. There are VERY few
    there are new versions of linux that have transparencies, 3d effects, window
    movement distortion effects, cube desktop switching in 3d mode....

    so I guess you are not talking about those :)
     
    John Jay Smith, Aug 10, 2006
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  7. Bernie

    Raven Mill Guest

    Actually, no, I don't run an OS to have interesting windows themes, though
    if you like, you can go for it. I run an OS for the applications, which is
    really what most people use a Com-Pu-Ter for. I was discussing the actual
    use of a computer...but if you own a computer that is JUST for having a
    window open so you can look at the window border all day, hmmm... Running
    32-bit on a useless screenmode because the driver won't support it so you
    can see a "movement distortion effect" is, imho, one of the stupidest things
    I've EVER heard of...lol

    ....some people should really not get into a discussion...
     
    Raven Mill, Aug 10, 2006
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  8. Bernie

    Carlos Guest

    Please explain me in detail how do you put Grub on a floppy.
    Thanks in advance.
    Carlos
     
    Carlos, Aug 10, 2006
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  9. I care less on what you use or what you like. Linux can use 32 bit and take
    advantage of it just like windows and macs can.

    I am just stating the technology facts.

    I can imagine that the HP clusters using linux working for dreamworks to
    create
    3d animated movies also use something higher than 16 bit....
     
    John Jay Smith, Aug 10, 2006
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  10. Bernie

    Bob Treat Guest

    Once you get the retsricted 386 or 686 Linux kernel, then the restricted
    nvidia drivers installed and then load your specific monitor drivers, find
    then use your max supported refresh rate, then your monitor will display
    correctly. It's a little bit of work. Like I said, I use the KDE desktop
    and not very familiar with Gnome in Ubuntu but you should be able to get to
    your system settings to tweak your display after the hardware is setup
    correctly.

    Are you ok with installing programs? This app is very helpful:
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80295
    There are a few steps to installing Automatix and a few involve the command
    line but once installed becomes a good front end to install your best video
    drivers, the restricted kernel to run them, get all the audio/video codecs
    to run Windows formats, plus it helps to install programs that would be
    difficult for some to install such as Adobe Reader, Real Player, Wine to run
    Windows apps, Java, Nvidia settings and a few other useful apps. But if you
    get Automatix installed it will save you a lot of time and/or headaches.

    To just cut to the chase with the graphics you will need to from command
    line:
    sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common
    sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
    You may need to enable extra repositories:
    http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories

    Then you will need to restart X and experiment with refresh rates and maybe
    activate the proprietary driver. Here's a link to the wiki:
    http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
     
    Bob Treat, Aug 10, 2006
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  11. Bernie

    Bob Treat Guest

    When you download Ubuntu or Kubuntu, first use the Altenate install CD iso
    file, which will give you the text install instead of the ui. When it gets
    time for grub, tell it no when it asks to write grub to the mbr. When it
    asks for where to write grub tell it " (fd0) " do not use the quotes. If
    you use another distro research the installation to see if grub can be
    installed other than to the mbr. I use the floppy because grub to the mbr
    was not compatible with Vista's bootloader and crashed. I was not able to
    boot into Vista using the floppy but removing the floppy gets me to the
    Vista bootloader and just makes more sense that having all kinds of
    bootloaders going.
     
    Bob Treat, Aug 10, 2006
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  12. Bernie

    Bob Treat Guest

    Bob Treat, Aug 10, 2006
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  13. Bernie

    Bob Treat Guest

    The dns is another example where the KDE system settings provides a front
    end for network settings. I just don't like Gnome in this regard but bailed
    on it before I really knew basic stuff with Linux.
     
    Bob Treat, Aug 10, 2006
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  14. Bernie

    Bernie Guest

    Thanks Bob. I can't find a gui front end for adjusting screen position
    in Gnome. And having to resort to editing files manually seems to me
    very primitive and absolutely the wrong way to go to attract regular
    Windows users. If this hasn't been addressed by those working on Gnome
    it amazes me.

    I am very much a newbie with Linux so I may be missing all kinds of
    things but I've already come across two things that should be much
    easier to handle. The screen position settings is the one that is as yet
    unresolved. The other was that once I had set my dns settings they would
    disappear after a few minutes use. I found a solution (manually editing
    a config file) in a Ubuntu forum but there was no indication anywhere
    that the settings I had changed were only temporary.
     
    Bernie, Aug 10, 2006
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  15. Bernie

    Bernie Guest

    The card is an Nvidia Geforce 5600. The monitor is a very old Dell
    without the auto set button.
     
    Bernie, Aug 10, 2006
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  16. Bernie

    Bernie Guest

    You are going to have lots of fun with that lot.
    When I tried Red Hat, Mandrake and Suse about 5 years ago I didn't
    really have any desire to move away from Windows and so I didn't give
    them much of a chance. They were interesting but there culture was very
    foreign to me. Today I still wish to continue with Windows but would
    also like to see some real competition to MS. I asked in various places
    for the distro that was most likely to appeal to the average Windows
    desktop user and Ubuntu was the one that came tops in the polls.


    The monitor I'm currently using is just too old to have those kinds of
    features.
     
    Bernie, Aug 10, 2006
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  17. Bernie

    Bernie Guest

    Yes it all works perfectly. Try this http://tinyurl.com/rt5xw
     
    Bernie, Aug 10, 2006
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  18. Bernie

    Raven Mill Guest

    Yeah. We test a LOT of things with linux for our show. Video card and
    monitor combos are probably the hardest to deal with on a realistic basis,
    because they tend to either be setup for people that don't realize they CAN
    have a different refresh rate or for HUGELY specific systems setup for
    people (as a poster recently posted) who are doing some VERY expensive
    animation/video applications. I think there are a total of 20 computers
    running those specialty apps though, so it doesn't fit into this convo in
    the slightest.

    My LFWPT says to simply try using the generic VESA driver with generic
    monitor drivers and see where you get with that. After that, make your way
    up with the drivers and see which ones have the best looking desktop. Her
    view on it is: if you REALLY run those specialty applications and NEED to
    have 32-bit depth, then you need to have a system which is custom made to
    run those applications just like the folks at dreamworks do, because the
    computers they had were built around the applications, not the other way
    around, like most people have.
     
    Raven Mill, Aug 10, 2006
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  19. Bernie

    Bob Treat Guest

    Gnome does have a front end for it and it is very easy to use but.... it
    Ouch! Looks like a permissions think. Can you sudo to the front end?
     
    Bob Treat, Aug 10, 2006
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  20. Bernie

    Bob Treat Guest

    Getting to the point I can find a GUI for most things now. Unfortuantely
    all the help given in the forums are from power users who are very command
    line centric and competant. The addins available from the repositories are
    worth looking at. If you have a whole lot of time sometime check out all
    that's available in Synaptic. Can be worth it.
     
    Bob Treat, Aug 10, 2006
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