Anyway to stop UAC promting for a program at every startup?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by Peter, Mar 3, 2007.

  1. Peter

    Peter Guest

    It's Samsung's Magictune Premium and I installed it as Admin. Every boot
    UAC prompts rather late in the booting sequence for this program...allow ot
    not.
     
    Peter, Mar 3, 2007
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  2. Peter

    Jesper Guest

    It's Samsung's Magictune Premium and I installed it as Admin. Every boot
    UAC has no effect during boot. Are you sure you mean during boot, or do you
    mean during logon?

    What does the program do? If it is marked for elevation, or recognized as an
    installer, you need to get a Vista compatible version of it.
     
    Jesper, Mar 3, 2007
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  3. Peter

    Peter Guest

    I meant after logon even into Admin it still goes dark then asks if I should
    allow it. The version is specifically for Vista 32-bit.
     
    Peter, Mar 3, 2007
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  4. When Samsung releases a Vista version of the software the problem will go
    away. MagicTune is for Windows XP

    I also can't use it. Then again, I didn't use it under XP either.

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    Regards,

    Richard Urban MVP
    Microsoft Windows Shell/User
     
    Richard Urban, Mar 3, 2007
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  5. Peter

    Jesper Guest

    I meant after logon even into Admin it still goes dark then asks if I should
    OK. That makes more sense. I bet the app is marked for elevation then.
    Strictly speaking, you can get rid of it by replacing the manifest on the
    application, but to do that you need the Software Developer's Kit, and there
    is a really good chance the app won't work afterward.

    I'd say you have five options:
    1. Live with it.
    2. Contact Samsung and tell them that their app is flawed (it is) and that
    they need to factor out the parts that are administrative either into a
    service or into a COM Moniker so that the rest of the app can run without
    elevation.
    3. Return the software/hardware as flawed and demand a full refund as it
    does not work properly with the operating system it is allegedly created for.
    4. Configure UAC for silent elevation. Note that this means you will no
    longer be prompted for any application that wants to elevate, including any
    malicious apps
    5. Turn off UAC altogether - a.k.a. give up. This will disable much of the
    security on your computer and make it behave like Windows XP.

    I highly dislike option 5. If people do that, developers, like the one's at
    Samsung who obviously do not get and and do not give a rat's behind about
    their customer's security, will continue to get away with writing crappy
    code.

    I don't like option 4 a whole lot better. UAC does not provide a secure
    process boundary, but I still like knowing when apps elevate and if we set
    the system for silent elevation we will not have enough motive to encourage
    developers to write good software.

    I would highly recommend to you start out with 2. If that does not work,
    then go to 3, and please report back what Samsung had to say about 2. One of
    us will surely start working on a "Misuse of UAC Hall of Shame" and be happy
    to post this app there as the first entry.
     
    Jesper, Mar 3, 2007
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  6. "One of
    us will surely start working on a "Misuse of UAC Hall of Shame" and be happy
    to post this app there as the first entry."

    Do I need to start a new division at threatcode.com?
     
    Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP], Mar 3, 2007
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  7. Peter

    Jesper Guest

    "One of
    Hint hint...

    :)

    There may not be many, althought it would be interesting to start collecting
    these.
     
    Jesper, Mar 3, 2007
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  8. Peter

    Peter Guest

    Fortunately it's a free application...I'll live with it. I'm not reducing
    UAC's security for anything.
     
    Peter, Mar 4, 2007
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  9. Peter

    Peter Guest

    Peter, Mar 4, 2007
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  10. I know. I tried it.

    When Avast antivirus released their first version that was Vista
    "compatible", it wasn't. Every time you booted the computer you had to give
    part of the program elevated privileges. They fixed this with a subsequent
    release and now the program truly is designed for Vista, Vista compatible or
    whatever the term for a program that operates correctly.

    There is a big difference with just working with Vista and designed for
    Vista. Magic Tune isn't designed for Vista - yet.

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    Regards,

    Richard Urban MVP
    Microsoft Windows Shell/User
     
    Richard Urban, Mar 4, 2007
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  11. Peter

    Peter Guest

    Thanks ;-)
     
    Peter, Mar 4, 2007
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  12. Peter

    Peter Guest

    Footnote..just installed Catalyst 7.2 it immediately told me to boot
    Magictune off the face of the Earth...it's gone ;-)

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    Peter
    Toronto, Canada
    XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
    P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
    ATI Radeon 9550 Graphics
    Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
     
    Peter, Mar 4, 2007
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  13. Peter

    Jesper Guest

    Footnote..just installed Catalyst 7.2 it immediately told me to boot
    What do these things do anyway?

    I'm very much a minimalist. I dislike adding software, even small apps, that
    require installation.
     
    Jesper, Mar 4, 2007
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  14. Peter

    Peter Guest

    It tunes the Samsung LCD monitor...better than fiddling with the manual
    controls.

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    Peter
    Toronto, Canada
    XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate fully updated
    P4 D865GBFL HT @ 3.0ghz 4.0gb DDR 700gb HD
    ATI Radeon 9550 Graphics
    Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 Audio
     
    Peter, Mar 4, 2007
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