Are volume licensing upgrade DVDs bootable?--they do not ship full DVDs.

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Chad Harris, Feb 1, 2007.

  1. Chad Harris

    Chad Harris Guest

    Darrell Gorter indicated you can order a full DVD via Volume Licensing.
    Volume Licensing said that is not an option and referred me to their
    website.

    "Hello,
    Why? when you can request the full media instead?
    Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are limited, so
    just request full media.
    Thanks,"

    Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

    You cannot request full media with a volume license according to Volume
    Licesning at MSFT and the web page they referred me to.

    We still have an outstanding question on this because I JUST called Volume
    Licensing at 1-800-MICROSOFT, and they said the option you mentioned for
    full media is not part of their program and referred me to a web page that
    confirms this:

    http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/quiz_vol.mspx

    "Note: It's important to understand that Volume License Agreements do not
    cover the full windows operating system; Volume Licensing provides for
    Windows OS upgrades only. Customers must first have a qualifying underlying
    operating system license before installing Volume License software on their
    computers."

    They referred me to this statement and confirmed it so I am not sure where
    you are hearing that Volume Licensing has an option for full media. Volume
    Licensing at MSFT says "clearly that's not the case."

    The outstanding question is are volume licensing DVDs bootable since the
    Volume License purchaser is getting an upgrade DVD.

    I'm also not clear what this phrase you used means exactly and I mean the
    one "assumed you have a compliant OS licesnse already."

    What is a compliant license and why would there be an assumption that a new
    volume licesne purchaser might have any license alreay--what does compliant
    mean in this context?

    "Hello,
    Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
    Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant OS
    license already.
    The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can request
    full media, the license is still upgrade.
    Thanks,"

    Darrell Gorter[MSFT]



    Note: It's important to understand that Volume License Agreements do not
    cover the full windows operating system; Volume Licensing provides for
    Windows OS upgrades only. Customers must first have a qualifying underlying
    operating system license before installing Volume License software on their
    computers.

    So I would appreciate it if you could clarify whether a Volume License DVD
    is bootable?

    Also can you state that *every upgrade DVD that MSFT sells is bootable*
    including anything OEM from MSFT because MSFT does have OEM DVDs--I have
    them from XP and Office in prior years--but they are also marked not for
    sale.

    I'm looking for any scenario where someone who purchases an upgrade DVD from
    MSFT cannot boot with it and use Win RE's panoply of tools which I
    understand to be these (and the Memory Diagnostic Tool) which can be
    accessed to run on the next boot from Vista as well as from the Win RE
    environment.

    Win RE's major components to repair Vista which would be Startup Repair,
    System
    Restore *from Win RE which I find superior to SR using the Volume Shadow
    system adapted from the Windows Server environment, restoring the boot
    sector using the bootsect /nt52 SYS from the Windows Recovery Environment
    discussed in the MSKB directly below, and the Memory Diagnostics Tool.

    How to troubleshoot scenarios in which the rollback phase was unsuccessful
    after you upgrade from Windows XP to Windows Vista
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927523/en-us

    and something that has not been mentioned that I can tell to date on this
    group or much in the TBT groups:

    How to use the Bootrec.exe tool in the Windows Recovery Environment to
    troubleshoot and repair startup issues in Windows Vista
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392/en-us

    Startup Repair can also be used when there is not a problem booting into
    Windows Vista and when it works which is not all the time (you should repeat
    2-3 times if it does not) fix major broken Vista components:

    A Stop error occurs, or the computer stops responding when you try to start
    Windows Vista
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925810/en-us

    Thank you,

    CH



     
    Chad Harris, Feb 1, 2007
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  2. Chad Harris

    Jane C Guest

    Media Considerations
    Volume License Product Use Rights require that you have a previous
    qualifying operating system license for each copy of Windows Vista you
    deploy. The default 32-bit Volume License media are upgrade-only and are not
    bootable (64-bit Volume License media are not restricted in this way, since
    there is no supported upgrade path). You must first boot a previous version
    of Windows and then run the setup to install Windows Vista. ***Bootable
    media is also available on request through your Volume License portal.***

    Taken from:

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/plan/volact1.mspx

    Thanks to Nina DiBoy for tracking it down.


    --
    Jane, not plain ;) 64 bit enabled :)
    Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
     
    Jane C, Feb 1, 2007
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  3. Thanks Jane,
    Chad I answered both your other posts on this that were made earlier. I
    rechecked that my answers were valid so it took some time
    Please check the other posts.
    Thanks,
    Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

    This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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    |>From: "Jane C" <>
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    |>Media Considerations
    |>Volume License Product Use Rights require that you have a previous
    |>qualifying operating system license for each copy of Windows Vista you
    |>deploy. The default 32-bit Volume License media are upgrade-only and are
    not
    |>bootable (64-bit Volume License media are not restricted in this way,
    since
    |>there is no supported upgrade path). You must first boot a previous
    version
    |>of Windows and then run the setup to install Windows Vista. ***Bootable
    |>media is also available on request through your Volume License portal.***
    |>
    |>Taken from:
    |>
    |>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/plan/volact1.mspx
    |>
    |>Thanks to Nina DiBoy for tracking it down.
    |>
    |>
    |>--
    |>Jane, not plain ;) 64 bit enabled :)
    |>Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
    |>"Chad Harris" <getsomevistainfoout.net> wrote in message
    |>|>> Darrell Gorter indicated you can order a full DVD via Volume Licensing.
    |>> Volume Licensing said that is not an option and referred me to their
    |>> website.
    |>>
    |>> "Hello,
    |>> Why? when you can request the full media instead?
    |>> Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are limited,
    so
    |>> just request full media.
    |>> Thanks,"
    |>>
    |>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
    |>>
    |>> You cannot request full media with a volume license according to Volume
    |>> Licesning at MSFT and the web page they referred me to.
    |>>
    |>> We still have an outstanding question on this because I JUST called
    Volume
    |>> Licensing at 1-800-MICROSOFT, and they said the option you mentioned for
    |>> full media is not part of their program and referred me to a web page
    that
    |>> confirms this:
    |>>
    |>> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/quiz_vol.mspx
    |>>
    |>> "Note: It's important to understand that Volume License Agreements do
    not
    |>> cover the full windows operating system; Volume Licensing provides for
    |>> Windows OS upgrades only. Customers must first have a qualifying
    |>> underlying operating system license before installing Volume License
    |>> software on their computers."
    |>>
    |>> They referred me to this statement and confirmed it so I am not sure
    where
    |>> you are hearing that Volume Licensing has an option for full media.
    |>> Volume
    |>> Licensing at MSFT says "clearly that's not the case."
    |>>
    |>> The outstanding question is are volume licensing DVDs bootable since the
    |>> Volume License purchaser is getting an upgrade DVD.
    |>>
    |>> I'm also not clear what this phrase you used means exactly and I mean
    the
    |>> one "assumed you have a compliant OS licesnse already."
    |>>
    |>> What is a compliant license and why would there be an assumption that a
    |>> new
    |>> volume licesne purchaser might have any license alreay--what does
    |>> compliant
    |>> mean in this context?
    |>>
    |>> "Hello,
    |>> Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
    |>> Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant OS
    |>> license already.
    |>> The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can
    |>> request
    |>> full media, the license is still upgrade.
    |>> Thanks,"
    |>>
    |>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
    |>>
    |>>
    |>>
    |>> Note: It's important to understand that Volume License Agreements do not
    |>> cover the full windows operating system; Volume Licensing provides for
    |>> Windows OS upgrades only. Customers must first have a qualifying
    |>> underlying
    |>> operating system license before installing Volume License software on
    |>> their
    |>> computers.
    |>>
    |>> So I would appreciate it if you could clarify whether a Volume License
    DVD
    |>> is bootable?
    |>>
    |>> Also can you state that *every upgrade DVD that MSFT sells is bootable*
    |>> including anything OEM from MSFT because MSFT does have OEM DVDs--I have
    |>> them from XP and Office in prior years--but they are also marked not for
    |>> sale.
    |>>
    |>> I'm looking for any scenario where someone who purchases an upgrade DVD
    |>> from
    |>> MSFT cannot boot with it and use Win RE's panoply of tools which I
    |>> understand to be these (and the Memory Diagnostic Tool) which can be
    |>> accessed to run on the next boot from Vista as well as from the Win RE
    |>> environment.
    |>>
    |>> Win RE's major components to repair Vista which would be Startup Repair,
    |>> System
    |>> Restore *from Win RE which I find superior to SR using the Volume Shadow
    |>> system adapted from the Windows Server environment, restoring the boot
    |>> sector using the bootsect /nt52 SYS from the Windows Recovery
    Environment
    |>> discussed in the MSKB directly below, and the Memory Diagnostics Tool.
    |>>
    |>> How to troubleshoot scenarios in which the rollback phase was
    unsuccessful
    |>> after you upgrade from Windows XP to Windows Vista
    |>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927523/en-us
    |>>
    |>> and something that has not been mentioned that I can tell to date on
    this
    |>> group or much in the TBT groups:
    |>>
    |>> How to use the Bootrec.exe tool in the Windows Recovery Environment to
    |>> troubleshoot and repair startup issues in Windows Vista
    |>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392/en-us
    |>>
    |>> Startup Repair can also be used when there is not a problem booting into
    |>> Windows Vista and when it works which is not all the time (you should
    |>> repeat
    |>> 2-3 times if it does not) fix major broken Vista components:
    |>>
    |>> A Stop error occurs, or the computer stops responding when you try to
    |>> start
    |>> Windows Vista
    |>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925810/en-us
    |>>
    |>> Thank you,
    |>>
    |>> CH
    |>>
    |>>
    |>>
    message
    |>> |>>> Hello,
    |>>> Why? when you can request the full media instead?
    |>>> Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are
    limited,
    |>>> so
    |>>> just request full media.
    |>>> Thanks,
    |>>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
    |>>>
    |>>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
    |>>> rights
    |>>> --------------------
    |>>> |>From: Nina DiBoy <>
    |>>> |>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
    |>>> |>Subject: Re: How MSFT has blocked your repairing Vista--if No DVD or
    |>>> Upgrade
    |>>> |> DVD
    |>>> |>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:00:26 -0600
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    |>>> |>Path:
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    |>>> |>
    |>>> |>Darrell Gorter[MSFT] wrote:
    |>>> |>> Hello,
    |>>> |>> Onl;y the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
    |>>> |>> Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a
    compliant
    |>>> OS
    |>>> |>> license already.
    |>>> |>> The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can
    |>>> request
    |>>> |>> full media, the license is still upgrade.
    |>>> |>> Thanks,
    |>>> |>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
    |>>> |>>
    |>>> |>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
    |>>> rights
    |>>> |>
    |>>> |>Is there anyway to use the VL upgrade media/licence to do a full,
    clean
    |>>> |>fresh install?
    |>>> |>
    |>>> |>> --------------------
    |>>> |>> |>From: Nina DiBoy <>
    |>>> |>> |>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
    |>>> |>> |>Subject: Re: How MSFT has blocked your repairing Vista--if No
    DVD
    |>>> or
    |>>> |>> Upgrade
    |>>> |>> |> DVD
    |>>> |>> |>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:13:29 -0600
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    |>>> |>> <>
    |>>> |>> <>
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    |>>> |>> |>Path:
    |>>> |>>
    |>>>
    TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS01.phx.gbl!newsfeed0
    |>>> |>>
    |>>>
    0.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1.de.telia.net!newspeer4.de.telia.net!
    |>>> |>> de.telia.net!aioe.org!not-for-mail
    |>>> |>> |>Xref: TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
    |>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general:25906
    |>>> |>> |>X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
    |>>> |>> |>
    |>>> |>> |>Darrell Gorter[MSFT] wrote:
    |>>> |>> |>> Hello,
    |>>> |>> |>> Correct. Retail and upgrade media should be the same. The
    |>>> product
    |>>> key
    |>>> |>> |>> detemines the behavior..
    |>>> |>> |>> Both are bootable, both contain WinRE. You can boot to the
    |>>> Upgrade
    |>>> DVD
    |>>> |>> and
    |>>> |>> |>> get to WinRE to use the repair functionality
    |>>> |>> |>> The only media that may not be bootable is the Volume License
    |>>> Upgrade
    |>>> |>> |>> Media. ( I don't have a copy of that media to test whether it's
    |>>> |>> bootable or
    |>>> |>> |>> not, but I have been told that Volume License Upgrade media is
    |>>> not
    |>>> |>> supposed
    |>>> |>> |>> to be bootable)
    |>>> |>> |>>
    |>>> |>> |>> Thanks,
    |>>> |>> |>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
    |>>> |>> |>>
    |>>> |>> |>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
    confers
    |>>> no
    |>>> |>> rights
    |>>> |>> |>
    |>>> |>> |>Hi Darrell.
    |>>> |>> |>
    |>>> |>> |>Why would the volume license media not be bootable?
    |>>> |>> |>
    |>>> |>
    |>>> |>
    |>>> |>
    |>>> |>--
    |>>> |>Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
    |>>> |>http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html
    |>>> |>
    |>>> |>"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
    |>>> |>- T. S. Eliot
    |>>> |>
    |>>
    |>>
    |>
    |>
     
    Darrell Gorter[MSFT], Feb 2, 2007
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  4. Chad Harris

    Nina DiBoy Guest

    :) Glad I could be of assistance.


    --
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    Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
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    the bittorent brigade."

    "Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
    - T. S. Eliot
     
    Nina DiBoy, Feb 2, 2007
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  5. Chad Harris

    Chad Harris Guest

    Darrell--

    I have been catching up, and I read your three posts on this group
    clarifying this issue and they are very much appreciated, as well as the
    time where you had to call around to get your hands on the upgrade media and
    to clear some of this up. My mission is simply to find a way that everyone
    has access to the panoply of Win RE based tools on media, Please take a
    look at some of the work Colin Barnhorst is doing and posting recently on
    this group as he goes through various upgrade scenarios. It would make for
    a nice article on the MSFT site and a good comprehensive MSKB when finished.

    We don't have that many MSFT Vista team members participating in these
    groups, and it is particularly nice to have someone who has been dealing
    with Vista setup issues, etc. to contribute, and we appreciate Jill
    Zoeller's help also.

    Thanks to Nina and Jane for the link on getting X64 media and CD media which
    should help some people. If you have to order a 64 bit DVD or would want
    the 5 CDs to install Vista (I'm not sure if they come in 32 bit or 64 bit
    Vista, (the 5 CDs). I'm not a fan of MSFT charging an extra $9.50 for the
    64 bit DVDs, but I have no idea of what the cost factors are. I would have
    preferred that they just include it and add a little to the cost of the
    Vista editions other than ultimate instead of adding that extra logistical
    step.

    I understand that only the Volume licensing upgrade media is not bootable,
    and from what you say there is the option for full media in that program.

    I'll try to keep any threads I make separate, or to be very careful to
    distinguish between Volume Licensing upgrade media and any other upgrade
    media. No one wants anyone confused or any more confused than some people
    are.

    MSFT has the people to write a nice clear Setup and Upgrade article on their
    site to cover these scenarios and it would be a great help. Colin
    Barnhorst's work should be included in them.

    Your time is very appreciated.

    CH


     
    Chad Harris, Feb 2, 2007
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