Aus. PC World: No good reason to upgrade to Vista

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Charlie Wilkes, Mar 19, 2008.

  1. "At the end of the decade, when Microsoft's executives look back at the
    debacle that was Windows Vista, they'll see that simply slapping a fresh
    coat of paint on an otherwise aging Windows architecture wasn't enough to
    fool anybody. Let's hope they also realize that, as with any major
    update, they needed to make their case to IT. Focusing on consumers while
    ignoring their enterprise customers, and assuming IT shops would simply
    fall in line, was no way to execute a platform migration.";1155325152;pp;1;fp;2;fpid;2

    This is an interesting article that will put to rest any nagging doubts
    experienced by those who have opted to stick with XP.

    Charlie Wilkes, Mar 19, 2008
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  2. I may differ with other Windows users but I see no reason to upgrade to
    It does not currently offer me anything that I don't already have with
    Windows XP Professional.

    For professional digital audio work, Vista currently offers worse
    performance because the audio interface manufacturers as well as DAW
    software companies are just getting their feet wet with Vista.
    Moshe Goldfarb, Mar 19, 2008
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  3. Charlie Wilkes

    Bob Campbell Guest

    Oh brother! Start with a faulty premise, end with a faulty conclusion.
    100 million sold (and counting) is not a "debacle"! Linux and OS X wish
    they had such a "debacle"! Even The Greatest OS Ever - XP - didn't sell
    such numbers in its first year.
    No, but it might reassure the few remaining Linux Losers that they aren't
    missing anything by clinging to Open Sores Software!
    Bob Campbell, Mar 19, 2008
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    Frank Guest

    Really? Wait until they find out the train has left the station.

    oh...and fukk you too loser.
    Frank, Mar 19, 2008
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    Matt Guest

    There were not as many computers in the world in the first year of XP as
    there were in the first year of Vista.
    Matt, Mar 19, 2008
  6. Charlie Wilkes

    Jim Guest

    While that is no doubt true, the fact remains. If you sell 100
    million of anything in a year, it is not a "debacle".

    If 100 million sold in a year is a "debacle", what is "free" Linux
    with its pathetic showing after 15 years? A cluster ****? A joke?
    A footnote in computing history? So useless it can't even be given

    All of the above?
    Jim, Mar 19, 2008
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    Mick Murphy Guest

    I agree with you. I use XP Pro.

    I only installed vista on an old computer as some of my customers have it,
    and I need to give them advice, as they are totally lost after moving from XP.
    As an OS, it is a waste of space!
    Mick Murphy, Mar 19, 2008
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    kevpan815 Guest

    I Just Re-Installed Windows Vista Service Pack One Today, And It's Working
    Great, Just FYI. I Am However Looking Forward 2 Getting My Hands On The
    Official Beta Of Open Source Linux Ubuntu 8.04 Long Term Support, Which Comes
    Out On This Thursday, Just FYI.
    kevpan815, Mar 19, 2008
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    Kevpan815 Guest

    Oh No, I Just Soiled Myself. Just FYI. I Need To Change Diapers. Just FYI

    Be Right Back.

    Just FYI
    Kevpan815, Mar 19, 2008
  10. Charlie Wilkes

    Lang Murphy Guest

    Nagging doubts? Well, I might agree that I wouldn't run a Vista upgrade
    install. Just like many of the folks who tried to run the OS X Leopard
    upgrade on a box running OS X Tiger. Never have trusted OS upgrades; way too

    But if you mean just moving from XP to Vista... no problems here. I've done
    clean Vista installs on at least six different Dell models and Vista's run
    solid as a rock on all systems. I've got Vista running on a Mac Pro here...
    runs great. For real.

    And... c'mon... while MS didn't deliver on all the promises about Vista that
    they made six or seven years ago, Vista is definitely more than "...simply
    slapping a fresh coat of paint..." on XP. Anyone who thinks otherwise simply
    doesn't care to acknowledge the differences between XP and Vista.

    All this coming from a guy who spends most of his leisure time in OS X
    10.5.2 these days...

    Lang Murphy, Mar 19, 2008
  11. Charlie Wilkes

    Not Me Guest

    They didn't repaint XP, they did a very poor body off restore/update.
    Yoo bad they did a poor job.
    Instead of increasing the value, they decreased it.
    They took a 59 Caddy and restored it with parts from a 73 Chevette.
    Not Me, Mar 19, 2008
  12. Charlie Wilkes

    graham1cr Guest

    "No good reason to upgrade to Vista"

    True, if you want to use it as an office machine or to run current
    games. But some games now, and soon many, require DirectX 10 which XP
    doesn't have. That's the only reason i switched, to run FlightSimX and

    p.s. just installed SP1 without a hitch, took 57 mins

    graham1cr, Mar 19, 2008
  13. You may quibble as you see fit. The larger point the authors are making
    is that Vista doesn't deliver benefits that justify the cost of buying a
    new OS and deploying it across an enterprise. Microsoft's strategy for
    Vista has been to market it to consumers as eye candy and hope that
    businesses fall in line. This has led to a lot of resentment.

    Charlie Wilkes, Mar 19, 2008
  14. You need to pull your head out of the sand. Microsoft has worked the
    numbers very skillfully, but Vista is widely perceived as a dud.
    Consumers are frustrated and disappointed because of software and
    hardware incompatibilities. Businesses and public agencies are mostly
    avoiding Vista. Of the 100 million Vista licenses Microsoft has
    supposedly sold, a large number have been quietly converted to XP
    downgrades. It's not a pretty picture. Let's hope Microsoft gets it
    right next time.

    Charlie Wilkes, Mar 19, 2008
  15. Vista may not be perceived as a debacle by Microsoft, because they are
    the party who sold the licenses and ended up with the money. But for
    consumers and businesses who paid for these licenses, it's safe to say
    that a large number of them regard Vista as a debacle.

    Read the news if you doubt me.

    Charlie Wilkes, Mar 19, 2008
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    Hadron Guest

    Not in the real world. A lot of business wont upgrade because of "need"
    and "cost" - XP "works for them". Only in COLA does XP BSOD every 2
    seconds. Pretty much everyone I know who inherited Vista with a new
    machine says it works fine. Sure a few had driver problems but, hey, in
    COLA speak thats hardly MSs problem now is it!

    Frankly I don't like Vista - too much under the hood and I simply don't
    see the need for it. XP does a good job of work and is good enough for
    me to play the odd game, and Debian pretty much does the rest now.
    What is this "large number": Can you cite numbers?
    Hadron, Mar 19, 2008
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    Linonut Guest

    * Charlie Wilkes peremptorily fired off this memo:
    Or, like many here, stick with Linux.
    Linonut, Mar 19, 2008
  18. Charlie Wilkes

    Linonut Guest

    * Jim peremptorily fired off this memo:
    True. In the case of Vista, it is "channel-stuffing".
    Linonut, Mar 19, 2008
  19. Charlie Wilkes

    Robin T Cox Guest

    But if you sell 100 million customers an expensive load of junk, you now
    have 100 million *dissatisfied* customers who will not be back again next

    That's a debacle.
    Robin T Cox, Mar 19, 2008
  20. Sure. It works, or can be made to work, if you don't mind taking a huge
    performance whack and putting up with some fluky behavior here and
    That's exactly what the article I am quoting from has concluded. They
    don't say Vista is impossible to use, just that it's not worth it.
    Of course not. No one keeps such statistics at a macro level. It's all
    anecdotal, but there are a lot of anecdotes floating around. And there
    are a lot of XP users who aren't planning to "upgrade" to Vista, now or

    Charlie Wilkes, Mar 19, 2008
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