AV and Firewall apps

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by Kuane, Sep 28, 2006.

  1. Kuane

    Kuane Guest

    Can someone provide a list of which AV and Firewall apps work with Vista
    5728?

    I read the post concerning AVG Free needing to be installed using
    Compatability mode but was curious what else may be available. I always
    preffered Zone Alarm but when I attempt to install v 6.5.722 I get the error
    message this product has issues with Windows Vista.

    TIA,

    Kuane
     
    Kuane, Sep 28, 2006
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  2. Kuane

    rblacher Guest

    I can't give a complete list but AVAST Home Edition (free) Build 4.7.892 is
    working like a charm here with Vista Build RC1 (5728) in both 32-bit and
    64-bit modes.

    I'm beginning to wonder why I ever paid for an anti-virus program ;)

    I just got an email invitation from Symantec this morning to download a
    supposedly Vista-compatible version of Norton Internet Security but it is
    32-bit only. Pfft! (lol)
    They are also due to release, "any day real soon now" a 32-bit bit Vista
    version of Norton Anti-Virus for testing.
     
    rblacher, Sep 28, 2006
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  3. Avast! 4.7 [Free or Professional] work...
     
    R Geoffrey Crook, Sep 28, 2006
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  4. Kuane

    Jeff Guest

    And,
    No need for a 3rd party firewall in Vista.
    unlike XP- MSFT did their homework on firewalls for Vista.
    To get past the dumbed down GUI just go to start>in the search bar-type
    in firewall;and choose -firewall with advanced settings
    Jeff

     
    Jeff, Sep 28, 2006
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  5. I would gladly pay for anyone's antivirus before I would take
    Norton/Symantec "ANYTHING" for free.


    --
    Regards,

    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
     
    Richard Urban, Sep 28, 2006
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  6. Kuane

    cyanna Guest

    Yeah, sure, and go get a diploma or 2 in network security just so you
    understand half the words in that panel. The firewall needs to be easily
    configurable for Joe-6-packs or it's useless.
    Most AV work in Vista, mercifully not Symanthec's though. Unfortunately UAP
    and Defender get in the way, so they need to go.

     
    cyanna, Sep 29, 2006
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  7. Kuane

    Jeff Guest

    Cyanna,
    Waste your money if you want to.
    Even the basic Vista firewall settings are secure.

    Jeff

     
    Jeff, Sep 29, 2006
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  8. Kuane

    Spirefm Guest

    Avast works and is free. AVG's trial works, is slicker than Avast but only 1
    month free. trend Micro OC-cillin works but gums up the machine something
    cronic at startup. Norton NO! They just ended my XP 1 year subscription after
    200 days - reason "You have re-installed it too often" Grr! Colin

     
    Spirefm, Sep 30, 2006
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  9. Kuane

    cyanna Guest

    No need to waiste any money, Jeff. There are very good firewalls available
    for free. There will be for Vista also.
    And no firewall is good unless outgoing connections can be monitored and
    configured. The basic Vista firewall doesn't do that.

     
    cyanna, Oct 2, 2006
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  10. The basic Vista firewall can be made to do that. It is the first 2-way
    firewall supplied by Microsoft.

    --

    Regards,

    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

     
    Richard Urban, Oct 2, 2006
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  11. Kuane

    CZ Guest

    Re: monitoring outbound packets:

    Richard:

    How does Vista do that?
    By monitoring I mean display a notice, not merely blocking the packets by a
    filter rule.

    Also, note that MS has supplied ISA (a very extensive 2-way firewall-proxy
    product) for some time.

    TIA
     
    CZ, Oct 3, 2006
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  12. Kuane

    cyanna Guest

    Richard,

    The firewall with advanced features is a very nice tool for IT pros. It is
    utterly useless to an average home user due to
    1. It's complexity
    2. The fact that it doesn't communicate with the user. All outbound
    communications are allowed by default. If the user is not notified when some
    app want's access to the network/internet, how would they know to block/allow
    it. That's why Zone Alarm is so popular. No need to "configure" anything.
    Just answer no or yes when a program wants access to external resources and
    put a checkmark if the permission is to be permanent. If one changes their
    minds, a list with approved programs is at hand with radio buttons for
    Allow/Deny/Ask. The settings are per user. Something like that combined with
    UAC would really be a powerfull firewall solution.
     
    cyanna, Oct 3, 2006
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  13. Kuane

    Jeff Guest

    Cyanna;
    Ya really kill me.
    Hmm, I wonder what that window that says" block/unblock" means?
    Or;what does"Allow a program through Windows Firewall." ; in the control
    panel;and on the basic firewall settings;mean?
    And; what do I do when that windows firewall settings box;with tabs that
    say;"Add program;Add port" pops up?
    Or even better; what does that box with a sentence next to it;that says;
    "Notify me when Windows Firewall blocks a new program." do?
    I wonder?
    LOL
    Again; it's your money.
    Really, are you actually looking at the Vista firewall?

    Jeff

     
    Jeff, Oct 3, 2006
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  14. Kuane

    cyanna Guest

    Jeff,

    If you have ever seen a message to the user from ANY MS firewall asking him
    if the program should be blocked or unblocked, please post a screen shot.
    Please remember the discussion concerns OUTGOING connections.
    If Joe-6-packs needs to get into the control panel and then Windows
    firewall, and then exceptions and then browse for the program and then change
    scope and possibly then manually open ports for that program.....Joe will
    shut the firewall off, believe me.

    "Or even better; what does that box with a sentence next to it;that says;
    That's an easy one: nothing, nada, zero, ziltch.
    I have more for you: just installed Skype and didn't do anything to the
    firewall settings. Guess what? I can both call and receive calls. Just like
    that. This is an app that allows file transfers to and from the HDD! I added
    Skype to the exceptions list and then UNCHECKED it. And it still works. Both
    ways. No warnings it's trying to access the internet or anything.

     
    cyanna, Oct 3, 2006
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  15. Kuane

    CZ Guest

    re: outbound connections

    Jeff:

    Build 5728 has a setting for "“Display notifications to the user when a
    program is blocked from receiving inbound connectionsâ€"

    Do you see a similar setting for outbound connections?

    TIA
     
    CZ, Oct 3, 2006
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  16. I saw just that notification when I installed MSN Messenger 7.5. It wanted
    to connect to the internet, block - unblock!

    --

    Regards,

    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
     
    Richard Urban, Oct 4, 2006
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  17. Kuane

    Jeff Guest

    Richard,
    Thanks,
    I give up on this thread though;
    If people want to spend money on 3rd party apps with no need to now; more
    power to them.
    It's their money. LOL
    Vista's firewall is a MAJOR improvement over xp's; as you and I both know.
    Again; it's their money; not mine!!

    Jeff
     
    Jeff, Oct 5, 2006
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  18. Kuane

    CZ Guest

    Re: Vista notifying user for an outbound connection attempt via a new app.

    Richard:

    Very interesting.

    I have installed all of the following Internet using apps and none have
    generated a notice:
    Acrobat, MS Baseline Security Analyzer, Office 2003, Avast, Firefox,
    AtomTime, and IP2.

    I have also created a firewall filter rule blocking ping.exe and still no
    notification.

    I have reviewed all (?) of the firewall settings and only find a setting for
    displaying a notice for inbound connection attempts.

    One answer is that there is a setting outside of the firewall.

    Also, the dialog you saw allowed you to make a choice, apparently the
    firewall notification for blocked inbound is to inform you of the block
    period (no choice).
     
    CZ, Oct 5, 2006
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  19. Kuane

    Jane C Guest

    The Windows firewall (with advanced security) does not notify you of
    outbound connection attempts, only inbound ones. This is a shortcoming when
    compared to, say ZoneAlarm, which does notify the user when an application
    tries to call out.
     
    Jane C, Oct 5, 2006
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  20. Kuane

    CZ Guest

    The Windows firewall (with advanced security) does not notify you of
    outbound connection attempts, only inbound ones. This is a shortcoming when
    compared to, say ZoneAlarm, which does notify the user when an application
    tries to call out.

    Jane:

    I know of Richard Urban from the Windows XP NG, and if he says he saw a
    notification dialog, I would not be quick to dismiss his comment.

    It is possible that what Richard saw was due to a setting outside of the
    Vista firewall.
     
    CZ, Oct 5, 2006
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