backup,backup,backup!!!

Discussion in 'Windows Small Business Server' started by guyg, Apr 21, 2006.

  1. guyg

    guyg Guest

    Is there anybody out there that uses a backup program that works realy well
    with SBS2003 std? I have tried Veritas, Acronis,Backup-assit. It seems that
    they
    all have some limitaion. I have many clients that use DLT tape drives. With
    acronis
    you cannot explore the image on the tape and try to get files. Also I have
    noticed
    that when these programs run at certain times I get a cpu activity usage
    error or
    a allocated memory error. Any help in this area would be a great help.
    Thanks,
    Guy
     
    guyg, Apr 21, 2006
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  2. Hi Guy,

    (Acronis might not be a backup, but rather an image)

    Anyway, try the Backup node of Standard Management. You *need* to run the
    backup wizard, it is extended to do much more than just back up files.
    While you're there, click on the link for "how to back up and restore ...",
    you need to familiarize yourself with the process as the reason you back up
    is so you can restore ;-). SBS restore is well tested and documented, and
    it's your best bet.
     
    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Apr 21, 2006
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  3. guyg

    guyg Guest

    Thanks for that info, but I read that if you need to restore exchange mail
    boxes you
    must retore all at the same time. I would realy like to have that option. I
    did try the
    basic set for a backup on a server but still got cpu usage alert at start of
    backup.
    Guy

     
    guyg, Apr 21, 2006
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  4. Yes SBS backup doesn't do "Brick level Backups" of mailboxes.

    You might find this interesting

    http://www.petri.co.il/brick_level_backup_of_mailboxes_by_using_exmerge.htm

    Russ
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    Russell Grover
    http://www.SBITS.Biz
    Enterprise Solutions for Small Business
    Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
    MCP, MCPS MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
    Portland/Beaverton Oregon USA
    Email: Support at SBITS.Biz


     
    Russ Grover - SBITS.Biz - \(MCP-SBS\), Apr 21, 2006
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  5. With exchange, you have deleted item retention (which is set via the SBS
    Backup wizard) meaning you can get accidentally deleted items back within
    the time period you set (30 days by default). If your backups span a time
    period longer than 30 days, then your next option is to use Exchange
    recovery storage group, which will allow you similar functionality to brick
    level restore.

    I used BE on SBS 4.5 and 2k, and never used brick level restore much -
    certainly not enough to warrant the price tag. Now, with SBSbackup it really
    doesn't make econonmic sense to spend that kind of money for all one would
    gain, and all one would lose.

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    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
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    understand." - Confucius


     
    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Apr 21, 2006
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  6. Les

    Look at this
    http://www.petri.co.il/brick_level_backup_of_mailboxes_by_using_exmerge.htm

    Automate Exmerge and esentually get Brick level backup For FREE!
    May not be exactly what he want's but for free it's pretty nice...
    A 65 user Email Server only takes about 1.2hrs to Brick backup! with the
    above method.

    Russ

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    Russell Grover
    Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
    MCP, MCPS MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
    Portland/Beaverton OR
    Email: Support at SBITS.Biz
    Website: http://www.SBITS.Biz


     
    Russ Grover - SBITS.Biz, Apr 22, 2006
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  7. Yeah, but Exmerge uses .pst's - can't do public folders, and if you have to
    restore one or more .pst's the mailbox explodes in size because single
    instance storage is busted. And, you have to mess with mailbox security,
    meaning the administrator can snoop. No big deal, but I promise my customers
    that I don't snoop, and if I had to do anything that would allow snooping,
    I'd tell them first.

    If there were no other options, then perhaps. But there is SBS Backup, and
    it's free too.

    --
    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    SBS Rocks !
    ----------------------
    "Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and I'll
    understand." - Confucius


     
    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Apr 22, 2006
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  8. I didn't say it was perfect :)

    Yes it's not secure. My Clients are usually too busy to snoop. (And you put
    it in a safe place.)

    Me read the email?

    I've been and Admin too long, Got other things to do other than Snoop at
    Clients email.
    When I was at Intel there was a rumor that Admins were reading email from
    Internal Customers.
    I said sorry I'm to Stinking busy to read my email let alone your email ;)

    Russ
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    Russell Grover
    Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
    MCP, MCPS MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
    Portland/Beaverton OR
    Email: Support at SBITS.Biz
    Website: http://www.SBITS.Biz


     
    Russ Grover - SBITS.Biz - \(MCP-SBS\), Apr 22, 2006
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  9. guyg

    Jed Guest

    I am very happy with Retrospect, used in conjunction with True Image.
    As noted above, however True Image isn't really backup software - it's
    imaging software. Which can be very useful in its own right - but it's
    difficult to effectively use as a complete backup solution.
     
    Jed, Apr 22, 2006
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  10. That's good thinking :). Lots of folks confuse an image with a backup. As
    you say, they're distinct concepts, allthough related.

    While on the image topic, there is a fairly new product called Paragon
    Drive-Backup 8 - Enterprise Edition - that can optionally use VSS in the
    image/backup process. This makes live imaging that much better - Exchange
    and SQL aware .... and for those who have tried Paragon (and enjoyed it's
    relatively low price) - this particular version is about $1000.

    That's a lot for many small businesses - but there's a very good chance that
    Paragon will license the Recovery CD seperately; a technician license - that
    will allow a technician to use it for off-line imaging on any server. This
    will make a great addition to your tool kit, for drive/partition
    operations - including imaging, drive replacement, partition resizes,
    disaster recovery, etc.
     
    Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP], Apr 23, 2006
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