Backup Failed, Has Always Failed, HELP!

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by cdaniel, Jul 3, 2007.

  1. cdaniel

    cdaniel Guest

    Running Vista Home Premium. I want to create a backup (not a full system
    restore) of doc's, Windows Mail, Favorites, yadiyada (read: DATA). When I go
    to Computer, the C drive has 224 GB of free space out of 288 GB, which I
    figure means I'm using about 64 GB, and that should include programs and
    system files, which I don't want to back up. So what I AM backing up should
    be significantly less.

    I tried selecting the Recovery D: drive. However, there's only 9.82 GB of
    total space on that drive, and SOMETHING is using 5.4 GB. The error I'm
    getting is: 0x81000005. It says there's not enough space available.

    So I selected to backup to DVD. After disk 6, I'd had enough, and it was
    only like 1/3 complete according to the status bar. Where can I find the
    files and sizes of what it's backing up?

    I used to be able to do a backup (on the old computer) with 1 CD - what

    Any recommendations on either expanding the Recovery drive to something like
    50GB, or being able to back up onto DVD (max 3 -4 discs)? I'm getting really
    nervous without having anything backed up! Thanks!
    cdaniel, Jul 3, 2007
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    John Hanley Guest

    I also had some initial frustration with backups in Vista. What I think I
    learned was:
    -Vista will not let you back up to your main hard drive, not even to the
    Recovery partition; this is to ensure an independent location for the
    - Vista backs up a lot more files than XP did.
    - I never did get a backup to DVD to work; it was taking literally hours and
    never finished.
    - I decided to 'bite the bullet' and bought myself a separate external 160
    GB USB hard drive for $60; I am making regular backups to this drive and
    they go very fast and completed just fine. The size of my first full backup
    was approx. 7.9 GB. Subsequent backups are almost as large as the first
    one; I will eventually have to remove some of the old backups or the
    external drive will fill up. I have also successfully restored a few files
    from the backup, so it works.
    - Along the way I also used a tool called SyncToy to make some partial
    backups of selected personal files to a CD; that worked also. Still

    Hope this helps.
    John Hanley, Jul 3, 2007
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    AJR Guest

    You cannot "compute" file backup sizes by comparing free and used disk
    space. File backup utility gives you the option to select files to backup

    Start>Backup and restore center>Under backup files select "change settings">
    At bottom select "Change backup settings">After backup device is indicated
    select "next" - your on your own!
    there files whcih are not backed up including system files.
    AJR, Jul 4, 2007
  4. On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:14:00 -0700, cdaniel
    How do you select what you want to have backed up?
    I'd check that assumption, using a free handy tool called WinDirStat

    I have that added as a non-default action for Drive and File Folder,
    so it's on the rt-click, but you can use it through the front door.
    It will show you "everything", so don't go detete-happy !!
    Should be, yes. But if you haven't explicitly selected what is to be
    backed up, you won't know for sure.
    Is that 5G used on an otherwise empty 10G volume?

    One factor that could magnify the data bulk (if we assume there asn't
    not-data included in the backup, such as indexes) is "Previous
    Version", which is to data files what System Restore is to system
    files. The same shadow copy engine powers both services equally, but
    they are UI'd differently - it is the UI that determines how you can
    use the backup copies, or if you can use them at all.

    Some editions of Vista, e.g. Home Basic (dunno about Home Premium) do
    not offer "previous versions", yet the shadow copy still wastes space
    and activity in keeping these copies. They can be revealed by
    upgrading Vista to an edition that supporets "previous versions", at
    which point you'd have access to versions of data files that predate
    the upgrade to hte new OS edition.

    I don't like the privacy implications of that.

    Tip Of The Day:
    To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...
    cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user), Jul 5, 2007
  5. I need help also...Vista Home Premium..comes with built in system disc drive
    C. Automatic Wizard is supposed to back up onto the system Drive C isn't
    it??? There is no C or D drive and now the backup wants me to put in a disc
    for the E drive????? I shouldn't have to put in any disc. I just want to do
    the automatic wizard on my C drive. What or where is my C drive??? it
    disappeared???? where is the D drive?? it disappeared also??? The only
    thing I have is E drive and again it is asking that I put in a disc??? I
    never did this before but I thought that this computer automatically did it
    itself with the wizard??? Help please
    I would like easy step to step direction, Aug 3, 2007
  6. cdaniel

    John Hanley Guest

    "I would like easy step to step direction"
    1. You really should not backup to the same physical disk as your C: or D:
    drive; that would not be an independent backup location; Automatic Backup
    will not allow you to backup to the C: drive. The D: drive (provided by
    your computer manufacturer, not Windows) is not intended to be the backup
    location; it is not big enough anyway.
    2. I tried the backup to DVD route, but it is too cumbersome and takes too
    many discs with Automatic Backup.
    3. You could use a tool like SyncToy to copy selected files to one or more
    DVD's, but that is not Automatic.
    4. I bought a separate, external 160 GB USB hard drive for about $60 for my
    Automatic Backup location and that works very well for me.
    John Hanley, Aug 4, 2007
  7. Backup will never backup into the system drive. It will try to backup on
    another drive and you can actually customize that and point to where you
    want to back up to. Your E: drive is probably your CD or DVD drive and that
    is why is asking you for a disc. Just go to the Backup and Restore Center
    and change your settings to point to where you want to backup, but please
    consider what I just wrote and also the below (Basically no backups to the
    System Drive or Recovery Drive)

    In addition it is never recommended that you backup into your Recovery
    Drive. That is not what is used for and you should not be putting backups
    into that or messing with it. Don't try to expand it. You should consult
    your PC manufacturer if you are considering doing that. Either use CDs/DVDs
    or an external or additional drive.

    If you believe you are backing up too much just go through the backup wizard
    and configure what you want or not, to backup.

    Thank you.

    Jamir Correa [MSFT]
    Microsoft Corporation

    This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
    "I would like easy step to step direction"
    Jamir \(MSFT\), Aug 7, 2007
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    PennsyNut Guest

    I K.I.S.S. by highlighting the files I want to save, right click, properties
    - and it gives me the amount of KB or MB. When you know the total of all the
    files, you then choose a CD or DVD "R". Save them on the "R". That way, you
    can not overwrite them. "R's" are cheap enough to do that. "RW" are too
    unreliable. As for a separate HD, that's good, If You Have the Room. Now, one
    of these days, I'll buy a LCD monitor -- LOL.

    PennsyNut, Aug 8, 2007
  9. On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:06:00 -0700, PennsyNut
    I used to think so, too (that RW disks were flaky), but at least in
    the case of CDRWs, it is not the disks that are flaky, but the packet
    writing (f)utilities one may use with them (e.g. InCD, DirectCD).

    I build new Bart CDRWs on a regular basis, and have done for some
    years now. Every time I use these to formally scan a system, I build
    a new one with updated av signatures, etc.

    When I was first developing my Bart project, I was writing several
    builds a day, and CDRs weren't cheap enough anymore ;-)

    So I switched to CDRWs, but (this is the crucial bit) treating them as
    if they were CDRs, either wiping and burning them in a single formal
    session from Bart PE Builder's own tools, or using Nero.

    Once I did that, I found them almost identical to CDRs in reliability.
    The only difference is laser compatibility with old (say, 8-speed)
    CD-ROM drives, which often read CDRs but not CDRWs.

    These disks travel with me, get bumped around etc. and I just keep on
    re-using them, erasing and rewriting them at least once a week. In
    the last 2 years, I think I've had to throw away about three, one of
    which because it had holes chipped through the data paint.

    I don't think I could expect better mileage from CDRs!
    I'd prefer a PC manufacturer who doesn't waste MY resources solving
    THEIR problems. If a $10 LAN card can afford to ship with a driver
    CD, I don't see why OEMs can't ship proper installation disks.

    So let's see; I have "the" system drive, the OEM's restoration space,
    and now have to find a third HD for my backups. And I have no control
    over what these comprise or how large they might be - or at the very
    least, will find it hard to predict how much space I'll need.

    No thanks; I'll go back to doing what Ive done since Win95...
    - keep the data set clean, small, and off C: on volume D:
    - batch a CLI archiver to zip this to volume F:
    - batch logic keeps last 5 backups on FIFO basis
    - create a Task to do this 02:00 daily
    - dump the whole of F:\Backups to USB stick or R(W)

    Saws are too hard to use.
    Be easier to use!
    cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user), Aug 12, 2007
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