"Best" Antivirus - part 2: "Worst" Antivirus

Discussion in 'Windows Small Business Server' started by Panagiotis Ladas, Jun 17, 2005.

  1. I would like to thank everybody that spent some time to answer my question on
    the first place, which antivirus do you consider as the best solution for a
    small network with SBS 2003.

    From you comments I got to a few points:
    - no one is using McAfee (!!!)
    - It seems like the most popular solution is Trend
    - Other products with positive comments were CA, Sophos, NOD32 and AVG

    One point that was discussed slightly more and seems to be interesting was
    the problems that each one of you had to face with antivirus and of course
    this is important.

    So I would like to ask everybody what is the worst anvirus solution for such
    a scenario (file server, email, desktops, ...)
     
    Panagiotis Ladas, Jun 17, 2005
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    Rick F Guest

    In my opinion NAI's McAfee antivirus suite is the worst on the market. I
    would never recommend it to any client. I haven't used Trend but being using
    Symantec Business packs on all my SBS clients.
     
    Rick F, Jun 17, 2005
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  3. I don't like this question... everybody hates something that somebody else
    loves. Life is like that! :) There is no point in trashing some AV
    solution.

    I would say that the vast majority of SBSers are running either Trend and
    Symantec. You will find tons of support either way. However, other solutions
    will work and that's fine.

    On a personal note-> I'm a die hard Trend fan and I think for newbies that
    will be the best choice (mostly because Les and others have written
    "step-by-step" instructions on how to set it up in a way that has been
    proven to work 100%).
    http://msmvps.com/kwsupport/archive/2004/03/23/4153.aspx

    My advice? Just pick one... and move on. :)
     
    Javier Gomez [SBS MVP], Jun 17, 2005
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  4. Simple answer! The worst AV solution is NO AV!
     
    Frank McCallister SBS MVP, Jun 17, 2005
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  5. You are a wise man! :)
     
    Javier Gomez [SBS MVP], Jun 17, 2005
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    Ben Guest

    We use NAI.

    When we first started using it (many years ago) we found for workstations it
    was the only solution that we had tested that did not interfere with some of
    the specialist document generation programs.

    Im quite surprised that many people do not use NAI, I find it great. I am
    assuming it is from bad experiences.

    I like NAI's anti Ad/Spyware functionality.

    Thanks
    B
     
    Ben, Jun 17, 2005
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    ebrind Guest

    I have been using Panda Business Secure with Exchange and I have not had any
    Virus or Spyware issues.

    You can easily deploy virus protection to the domain or workgroups from the
    server.

    I think the best think about Panda is the Spyware protection. Looking at
    the reports you can see that most of the items blocked are Spyware coming
    users PC’s, temporary internet files from IE.

    Thanks,

    ebrind
     
    ebrind, Jun 17, 2005
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    Dave Guest

    Sorry I didn't reply earlier.
    I use McAfee 8i & Groupshield 6
    Never had any problems with them. Currently looking at having ePO to control
    the push of updates to the clients.
     
    Dave, Jun 17, 2005
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    Russ Grover Guest

    McAfee,

    I can't answer for the rest of everyone about McAfee, but I can give you my
    Experience.
    15 years ago McAfee was king, worked great, with great Support. Flawless..

    About 10 years ago A Very large Company I worked for. (OK I'll say it, Intel
    Corp.)

    Anyway at the campus I worked at we had a Virus that a Novell server was
    infecting and it was spreading through the Network
    Well We Sent McAfee the Virus and less than 12 hrs they had a inoculation
    for it.

    But that was the old days.

    Problem is Now, it has SO Many Features, it doesn't do what it's supposed to
    do.. (WORK)
    I can't tell you how many times, after a customers Virus Update, the
    computer acts like it's on drugs and a virus is attacking it.
    Well the problem is, the update messed it up. Uninstall McAfee or Wait 1
    week for a new Update to counteract the update that messed things up
    and the computer is working again.

    As you can see, This causes Major Problems for IT support of Companies,
    when Hundreds of Computers start working like crap
    after an update that's SUPPOSED to Help computers.

    Public Consumers since they are alone and don't see the wide spread problems
    of this update, just think they have a virus.
    and in 1 week when another virus update comes along and things are back to
    normal. (The Customer is happy)

    But IT is Furious because they spend 1 week chasing ghosts trying to fix
    things that their program messed up.
    When McAfee has Problems with Outlook 2003 and Palm Pilots and other
    devices, it's no wonder why you don't hear us touting the greatness of
    McAfee.

    It's Just too much to get it to work. (So Pay A Premium for a Product, then
    have to Pay IT More to support it, doesn't do good on ROI)

    Now with XP Service Pack 2 and Virus programs like CA and AVG (Some of them
    Free)
    That do the same Job for Less and Less IT support...

    Well, Now you May Know why Some People Don't say they use McAfee...

    --
    Russ Grover
    Small Business IT Support
    16086 SW Melinda St.
    Beaverton OR 97007-6303 USA
    Email: Sales at SmallBusinessITSupport.com
    Website: www.SmallBusinessITSupport.com
     
    Russ Grover, Jun 17, 2005
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  10. I disagree.

    If you know you have no AV, you will hopefully be practicing "safe email".

    People with AV believe they're immune and don't practice "safe email", so
    when a virus slips past the AV, they're far more likely to actually suffer
    an outbreak.
     
    Steve Foster [SBS MVP], Jun 18, 2005
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    aus Guest

    As per previous experiences I know what I don't like from repeated
    experience. I avoid Symantec as its genuinely slower at scanning for
    some reason.

    I was called to a site abandoned in the middle of an SBS install by some
    cowboys today and they had put Norton on the cient PCs and you could
    feel them slow down when it was enabled. The typical 'Norton is scanning
    file xyz - click to cancel' notification was poping up - these delays
    effectively halt installations and upgrades.

    I never see this issue with other products. It is certainly down to the
    spec of the PC too - the older PCs do this continually - newer PCs dont
    have this so much.

    This is one thing I dont see tested often - the efficiency of scanning -
    how much resource is consumed. Load the full Symantec suite and it will
    slow all but the newest PCs - its rediculous. I recommend discrete
    separate solutions for anti-virus and anti-spam compared to the
    integrated ones from Symantec and Network Associates (though this is
    better than the Norton stuff).
     
    aus, Jun 18, 2005
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    Russ Grover Guest

    Sorry Steve, This didn't work, if you remember the "I Love You" Virus

    People had the Theory if you don't open mail from people you don't know.

    Then what happened the I Love You Virus Spread the world because it came
    from friends.

    So I'd like to Clarify the Worst AV Solution is Ignorance Pride AND no AV
    Solution.

    To me it's like saying you don't need backups...

    Virus/FireWall/Backup/Spyware... EVERYONE NEEDS

    A Fool and is Data are Soon departed...

    --
    Russ Grover
    Small Business IT Support
    16086 SW Melinda St.
    Beaverton OR 97007-6303 USA
    Email: Sales at SmallBusinessITSupport.com
    Website: www.SmallBusinessITSupport.com
     
    Russ Grover, Jun 18, 2005
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    aus Guest

    I do see both - It is the corporate edition I see mostly.

    The combined product I see is the Symantec or NAI stuff Dell insist on
    bundling on many PCs (Dimension range typically) - some users just
    decide to tick the box at order time and it appears by magic with the
    machine (where they havent been advised prior to purchase).

    Its hard to remove something they paid for so it stays often. The thing
    which gets them is they see the 3 month trial expire (Dell helpfully
    email them) and they decide to pay for the 'full' suite (they are not
    aware of the different products etc.)
     
    aus, Jun 18, 2005
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  14. Safe email is like safe sex ABSTINENCE ;-) Protection breaks in both cases!

    Watch out for incoming :>)
     
    Frank McCallister SBS MVP, Jun 18, 2005
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    Joe Guest

    And I know a McAfee On-Access/Groupshield installation that did its job
    with no trouble on NT4 for five years, so the client went back to them
    for the current version on SBS a year ago.. still no trouble, just quiet
    and efficient removal of viruses. I was confident enough to put server
    and workstations on auto-update, and so far, so good...

    Would you believe there are people who say Windows 95 was unreliable?
    If you see enough of anything, you see bad ones, and if you're in the
    fixit business you'll see many more bad ones than most people do. When
    it works, nobody wants to tell you.
     
    Joe, Jun 18, 2005
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    Russ Grover Guest

    I guess I'm Jaded
    Cause I've seen Everything Laugh!

    --
    Russ Grover
    Small Business IT Support
    16086 SW Melinda St.
    Beaverton OR 97007-6303 USA
    Email: Sales at SmallBusinessITSupport.com
    Website: www.SmallBusinessITSupport.com
     
    Russ Grover, Jun 18, 2005
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    Rick F Guest

    I somewhat agree with you.
    Norton Antivirus does suck and should be avoided. There is no management
    control as it is a home consumer product and sucks up memory and resources.

    Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition 8,9 and 10 are very good on the
    resources and have enterprise management features. You must be install this
    on P2 233Mhz computers.....
     
    Rick F, Jun 21, 2005
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    Jack Guest

    I have to agree that Trend is the best. I have a client running CA and it
    is terrible. I have found that Norton tends to interfere with other
    applications and I just don't like mcaffee. It seems to let a lot of
    viruses through.

    Trend tends to stay on top with virus definitions.
     
    Jack, Jul 20, 2005
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