[Beta] Identical ribbon icons with different functions

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by Ildhund, Aug 19, 2010.

  1. Ildhund

    Ildhund Guest

    I am struggling with this wretched ribbon with as much good grace as I can muster, but my growls and screams of frustration are disturbing my neighbours. I was, full of glee, about to post something positive about Beta 2. I clicked the extreme left icon on the ribbon; to my astonishment, I was presented with a (depressingly short) list of MS newsgroups! So all this talk about intuitive icons means nothing at all – you have to look carefully and see which tab you have selected before clicking the left-hand-end 'page with a pin’ icon, because it means something different on different tabs. The logic escapes me.
    --
    Noel
     
    Ildhund, Aug 19, 2010
    #1
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  2. I too cursed at the ribbon at first, but it’s growing on me. :)
    I keep the ribbon minimized except when composing a new message or a reply.
    All the commands I use while on the main screen I have added to the QAT.
    I couldn’t duplicate your issue. You may have clicked just below that unnamed button while the Folders tab was active.

    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Aug 19, 2010
    #2
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  3. I thought maybe it was just me, but I have no idea what extreme left icon on the ribbon he
    was referring to that presented him with a "(depressingly short)" list of MS newsgroups.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    --------------------------
    "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
    I too cursed at the ribbon at first, but it’s growing on me. :)
    I keep the ribbon minimized except when composing a new message or a reply.
    All the commands I use while on the main screen I have added to the QAT.
    I couldn’t duplicate your issue. You may have clicked just below that unnamed button while
    the Folders tab was active.

    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
    ------------------------------------------------------
    I am struggling with this wretched ribbon with as much good grace as I can muster, but my
    growls and screams of frustration are disturbing my neighbours. I was, full of glee, about
    to post something positive about Beta 2. I clicked the extreme left icon on the ribbon; to
    my astonishment, I was presented with a (depressingly short) list of MS newsgroups! So all
    this talk about intuitive icons means nothing at all – you have to look carefully and see
    which tab you have selected before clicking the left-hand-end 'page with a pin’ icon,
    because it means something different on different tabs. The logic escapes me.
     
    Art [artfudd] Folden, Aug 19, 2010
    #3
  4. Ildhund

    ...winston Guest

    In News mode:
    The first icon on the 'Folders' tab is Newsgroups
    - the icon is piece of paper with a folded edge on the upper right corner and a blue pin directly below the folded edge
    - clicking that icon opens up the current server's available newsgroups

    The first icon on the Home tab uses the same icon but has a different label 'News Message' and as expected creates a 'new' news message.

    The second icon on the Account's tab uses the same icon but has a different label 'Newsgroup' which will set up a new newsgroup server.

    Adding any of those icons to the QAT yields different functions but with the same icon(ie..one has to remember the order or the location for common icons with different functions)


    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message

    I too cursed at the ribbon at first, but it’s growing on me. :)
    I keep the ribbon minimized except when composing a new message or a reply.
    All the commands I use while on the main screen I have added to the QAT.
    I couldn’t duplicate your issue. You may have clicked just below that unnamed button while the Folders tab was active.

    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
     
    ...winston, Aug 19, 2010
    #4
  5. Thank-You Winston... I see the problem now. The same thing happens with the 'Update all'
    and the 'Send/Receive" icons. IMO.. it is extremely near-sighted and unprofessional for
    the developers to do this kind of thing. Sometimes when it comes to icons and naming
    conventions, I think MS should change their name to 'Microconfusion' -- or should perhaps
    that be 'MASSconfusion'. :)

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    --------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message
    In News mode:
    The first icon on the 'Folders' tab is Newsgroups
    - the icon is piece of paper with a folded edge on the upper right corner and a blue pin
    directly below the folded edge
    - clicking that icon opens up the current server's available newsgroups

    The first icon on the Home tab uses the same icon but has a different label 'News Message'
    and as expected creates a 'new' news message.

    The second icon on the Account's tab uses the same icon but has a different label
    'Newsgroup' which will set up a new newsgroup server.

    Adding any of those icons to the QAT yields different functions but with the same
    icon(ie..one has to remember the order or the location for common icons with different
    functions)


    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message

    I too cursed at the ribbon at first, but it’s growing on me. :)
    I keep the ribbon minimized except when composing a new message or a reply.
    All the commands I use while on the main screen I have added to the QAT.
    I couldn’t duplicate your issue. You may have clicked just below that unnamed button while
    the Folders tab was active.

    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
    ------------------------------------------------------

    I am struggling with this wretched ribbon with as much good grace as I can muster, but my
    growls and screams of frustration are disturbing my neighbours. I was, full of glee, about
    to post something positive about Beta 2. I clicked the extreme left icon on the ribbon; to
    my astonishment, I was presented with a (depressingly short) list of MS newsgroups! So all
    this talk about intuitive icons means nothing at all – you have to look carefully and see
    which tab you have selected before clicking the left-hand-end 'page with a pin’ icon,
    because it means something different on different tabs. The logic escapes me.
     
    Art [artfudd] Folden, Aug 19, 2010
    #5
  6. Ildhund

    ...winston Guest

    Art,
    You're welcome. I struggled with it like Noel and others.
    For those three icons that I noted earlier....only the new message icon is on my QAT. The other two (Add a news server or View current newsgroups) are rarely used on a daily basis thus not deserving(for my personal use) to be added to my QAT.

    Yet, as you've mentioned other common icons are present and can create similar confusion.
    With respect to Send/Receive...I just add the main Send/Receive icon to the QAT which permits the drop down selection. I planned out the order or icons on the QAT a few times before finding the most comfortable best case scenario(lots of practice learned in Office) of chosen icons. I've a great memory but anything more than the current 34 on my QAT isn't worth the effort.



    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    Thank-You Winston... I see the problem now. The same thing happens with the 'Update all'
    and the 'Send/Receive" icons. IMO.. it is extremely near-sighted and unprofessional for
    the developers to do this kind of thing. Sometimes when it comes to icons and naming
    conventions, I think MS should change their name to 'Microconfusion' -- or should perhaps
    that be 'MASSconfusion'. :)

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    --------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message
    In News mode:
    The first icon on the 'Folders' tab is Newsgroups
    - the icon is piece of paper with a folded edge on the upper right corner and a blue pin
    directly below the folded edge
    - clicking that icon opens up the current server's available newsgroups

    The first icon on the Home tab uses the same icon but has a different label 'News Message'
    and as expected creates a 'new' news message.

    The second icon on the Account's tab uses the same icon but has a different label
    'Newsgroup' which will set up a new newsgroup server.

    Adding any of those icons to the QAT yields different functions but with the same
    icon(ie..one has to remember the order or the location for common icons with different
    functions)


    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message

    I too cursed at the ribbon at first, but it’s growing on me. :)
    I keep the ribbon minimized except when composing a new message or a reply.
    All the commands I use while on the main screen I have added to the QAT.
    I couldn’t duplicate your issue. You may have clicked just below that unnamed button while
    the Folders tab was active.

    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
    ------------------------------------------------------

    I am struggling with this wretched ribbon with as much good grace as I can muster, but my
    growls and screams of frustration are disturbing my neighbours. I was, full of glee, about
    to post something positive about Beta 2. I clicked the extreme left icon on the ribbon; to
    my astonishment, I was presented with a (depressingly short) list of MS newsgroups! So all
    this talk about intuitive icons means nothing at all – you have to look carefully and see
    which tab you have selected before clicking the left-hand-end 'page with a pin’ icon,
    because it means something different on different tabs. The logic escapes me.
     
    ...winston, Aug 19, 2010
    #6
  7. Ildhund

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Winston.

    Those icons do need to be more distinctive - and intuitive. But, hovering
    over an icon on the QAT pops up a Tool Tip, which does a lot to help me
    remember/decide which one to click.

    Putting the Options icon on the QAT (yellow check mark over a dog-eared
    page) is a life-saver! (To put it there, click the no-name icon, then
    Options, then right-click Mail and Add to Quick Access Toolbar.) But the
    Tool Tip for it says "Mail; Change options for Windows Live Mail". That
    "Mail" should be changed to "Options"; the icon brings up the familiar
    multi-tabbed window that we used to get with Tools | Options, and it changes
    things in both Mail and News.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    Windows Live Mail Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3002.0810)) in Win7 Ultimate x64

    "...winston" wrote in message
    Art,
    You're welcome. I struggled with it like Noel and others.
    For those three icons that I noted earlier....only the new message icon is
    on my QAT. The other two (Add a news server or View current newsgroups) are
    rarely used on a daily basis thus not deserving(for my personal use) to be
    added to my QAT.

    Yet, as you've mentioned other common icons are present and can create
    similar confusion.
    With respect to Send/Receive...I just add the main Send/Receive icon to the
    QAT which permits the drop down selection. I planned out the order or icons
    on the QAT a few times before finding the most comfortable best case
    scenario(lots of practice learned in Office) of chosen icons. I've a great
    memory but anything more than the current 34 on my QAT isn't worth the
    effort.



    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message

    Thank-You Winston... I see the problem now. The same thing happens with the
    'Update all'
    and the 'Send/Receive" icons. IMO.. it is extremely near-sighted and
    unprofessional for
    the developers to do this kind of thing. Sometimes when it comes to icons
    and naming
    conventions, I think MS should change their name to 'Microconfusion' -- or
    should perhaps
    that be 'MASSconfusion'. :)

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    --------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message
    In News mode:
    The first icon on the 'Folders' tab is Newsgroups
    - the icon is piece of paper with a folded edge on the upper right corner
    and a blue pin
    directly below the folded edge
    - clicking that icon opens up the current server's available newsgroups

    The first icon on the Home tab uses the same icon but has a different label
    'News Message'
    and as expected creates a 'new' news message.

    The second icon on the Account's tab uses the same icon but has a different
    label
    'Newsgroup' which will set up a new newsgroup server.

    Adding any of those icons to the QAT yields different functions but with the
    same
    icon(ie..one has to remember the order or the location for common icons with
    different
    functions)


    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message


    I too cursed at the ribbon at first, but it’s growing on me. :)
    I keep the ribbon minimized except when composing a new message or a reply.
    All the commands I use while on the main screen I have added to the QAT.
    I couldn’t duplicate your issue. You may have clicked just below that
    unnamed button while
    the Folders tab was active.

    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
    ------------------------------------------------------

    I am struggling with this wretched ribbon with as much good grace as I can
    muster, but my
    growls and screams of frustration are disturbing my neighbours. I was, full
    of glee, about
    to post something positive about Beta 2. I clicked the extreme left icon on
    the ribbon; to
    my astonishment, I was presented with a (depressingly short) list of MS
    newsgroups! So all
    this talk about intuitive icons means nothing at all – you have to look
    carefully and see
    which tab you have selected before clicking the left-hand-end 'page with a
    pin’ icon,
    because it means something different on different tabs. The logic escapes
    me.
     
    R. C. White, Aug 19, 2010
    #7
  8. Ildhund

    Jeff Layman Guest

    The wonderful ribbon is the main reason I haven't changed from this version
    of WLM. The laptop I'm using came with a trial of Office 2007 installed.
    I've moved to OpenOffice - does all I need without the ribbon.

    Microsoft are gradually moving to a complete icon-based system (perhaps
    because today's users have difficulty understandiing text?). The trouble
    is, as icons get smaller and less intuitive, so computing gets more
    confusing and less efficient. If you're looking for logic behind
    Microsoft's reasoning, forget it. Whatever they do is based on either a
    commercial decision (keep changing things - makes customers think they are
    getting something new for their money) or someone's idea that something
    looks good (like the colour scheme in WLM).
     
    Jeff Layman, Aug 19, 2010
    #8
  9. only the new message icon is on my QAT.


    In my case I leave only Previous and Next (in that order). Then I can
    navigate from message to message simply by pressing NumPad 5 (with Mousekeys
    on) (e.g. when the mouse pointer is over the button for Next). If only
    they also had a QAT item for Ctrl-u and Ctrl-Shift-U I'd be back in
    business with the same button functionality that I used to have.

    FWIW New message is still Ctrl-n and infrequently used so that button
    does't seem necessary to me. However, another function that I do use
    frequently but can't use in the QAT is the Flag toggle. That would be
    handy to avoid an excess of mouse travel and more tab switching to get the
    provided Flag button showing. Lately to avoid the mouse travel and tab
    switching I have been resorting to the ridiculously verbose F10,H,I,F to
    toggle a flag (not really F10; I just want to highlight the absurdity of the
    keyboard support.)

    BTW it's not just an issue about mouse travel either but mouse landing area.
    The buttons that I used to have for frequent use were nice and big and all
    arranged together. Now, it seems many infrequently used items are
    ridiculously big and too many frequently used ones are annoyingly small and
    spaced far away from each other. All with no possibility of customization
    to correct such usability issues.

    I don't know where MS is getting their ideas about UI usability--and its not
    just in this product where such a disregard of usability in product design
    is showing--it's in all the new ones, including their web apps. The idea
    seems to be to throw a minimum of functionality together in any hodge podge
    order to satisfy the requirements of new or infrequent users, completely
    ignoring the requirements of experienced users and their long-term needs.
    That's a great way to make all users look at other non-MS options IMO.


    Robert
    ---
     
    Robert Aldwinckle, Aug 20, 2010
    #9
  10. "I don't know where MS is getting their ideas about UI usability--and its not
    just in this product where such a disregard of usability in product design
    is showing--it's in all the new ones, including their web apps. The idea
    seems to be to throw a minimum of functionality together in any hodge podge
    order to satisfy the requirements of new or infrequent users, completely
    ignoring the requirements of experienced users and their long-term needs.
    That's a great way to make all users look at other non-MS options IMO."

    Also my sentiments exactly.... well said... :)

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    --------------------------
    "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message

    In my case I leave only Previous and Next (in that order). Then I can
    navigate from message to message simply by pressing NumPad 5 (with Mousekeys
    on) (e.g. when the mouse pointer is over the button for Next). If only
    they also had a QAT item for Ctrl-u and Ctrl-Shift-U I'd be back in
    business with the same button functionality that I used to have.

    FWIW New message is still Ctrl-n and infrequently used so that button
    does't seem necessary to me. However, another function that I do use
    frequently but can't use in the QAT is the Flag toggle. That would be
    handy to avoid an excess of mouse travel and more tab switching to get the
    provided Flag button showing. Lately to avoid the mouse travel and tab
    switching I have been resorting to the ridiculously verbose F10,H,I,F to
    toggle a flag (not really F10; I just want to highlight the absurdity of the
    keyboard support.)

    BTW it's not just an issue about mouse travel either but mouse landing area.
    The buttons that I used to have for frequent use were nice and big and all
    arranged together. Now, it seems many infrequently used items are
    ridiculously big and too many frequently used ones are annoyingly small and
    spaced far away from each other. All with no possibility of customization
    to correct such usability issues.

    I don't know where MS is getting their ideas about UI usability--and its not
    just in this product where such a disregard of usability in product design
    is showing--it's in all the new ones, including their web apps. The idea
    seems to be to throw a minimum of functionality together in any hodge podge
    order to satisfy the requirements of new or infrequent users, completely
    ignoring the requirements of experienced users and their long-term needs.
    That's a great way to make all users look at other non-MS options IMO.


    Robert
    ---
     
    Art [artfudd] Folden, Aug 20, 2010
    #10
  11. Ildhund

    ...winston Guest

    For WLM 2011 beta

    Add the Flag to the QAT

    Press the ALT to see the keystroke assigned to that QAT item..
    If you only have a few on the QAT, you might save yourself a few key presses
    - the key mapping will remain the same in News mode regardless of Ribbon tab


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    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message
    However, another function that I do use
    frequently but can't use in the QAT is the Flag toggle. That would be
    handy to avoid an excess of mouse travel and more tab switching to get the
    provided Flag button showing. Lately to avoid the mouse travel and tab
    switching I have been resorting to the ridiculously verbose F10,H,I,F to
    toggle a flag (not really F10; I just want to highlight the absurdity of the
    keyboard support.)
     
    ...winston, Aug 20, 2010
    #11
  12. Add the Flag to the QAT

    How? It's not one of the available options in either a message window or
    the main application window?

    ---
     
    Robert Aldwinckle, Aug 20, 2010
    #12
  13. Ildhund

    Don Dewiel Guest

    +1
    --
    Don

     
    Don Dewiel, Aug 21, 2010
    #13
  14. Ildhund

    Ildhund Guest

    That's really weird. Yes, I can add Flag to QAT (right-click and select). I'm then told to display the Flag column so I can see the flag, so I do, at the extreme left of the message list. Then I click the baby flag on the QAT and it lights up, but no flag appears in the Flag column. I switch to flat view - no change. I move the Flag column to the right - and a flag shows up in the Flag column. I click and click on /that/ flag and it flashes on and off ever so obediently. I move the column back where it belongs at the left hand end, and click as I might, the flag stays. The flags up above (on the ribbon and the QAT) flash like warning lights at a level crossing in response to my clicks, but the important one - that in the Flag column - refuses to budge. It only works if it's somewhere other than where it belongs. Work that out if you can.
     
    Ildhund, Aug 21, 2010
    #14
  15. Ildhund

    Ildhund Guest

    [Addendum to my last post]

    The recalcitrant flag in the left hand column will show up (or disappear, as appropriate) if I change the sort order.
     
    Ildhund, Aug 21, 2010
    #15
  16. Yes, I can add Flag to QAT (right-click and select).


    That's what I mean. How? OIC. Right-click the Flag button. Silly
    me. I was using the QAT button which says Customize Quick Access Toolbar
    and assuming that it was showing me a complete repertoire.

    Thank you. This is helpful.


    Robert
    ----
     
    Robert Aldwinckle, Aug 21, 2010
    #16
  17. Ildhund

    ...winston Guest

    The flag and the ability to toggle on or off works here for my preferred viewing mode.
    News
    - Column order(Flag, Attachment, Subject, From, Sent, Size)
    - View by Conversation (which sorts by Sent)

    If I change the sort and retain the same column order, the flags remain present and the Flag icon on the QAT continues to act as a toggle(on or off)



    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Ildhund" wrote in message
    [Addendum to my last post]

    The recalcitrant flag in the left hand column will show up (or disappear, as appropriate) if I change the sort order.
     
    ...winston, Aug 21, 2010
    #17
  18. Ildhund

    ...winston Guest

    Welcome to WLM Wave 4.
    I've mentioned this earlier..almost all items on the Ribbon and Tabs can be added to the QAT(via rt click). Since one can't rearrange the QAT icons it takes some effort to plan out the preferred order of icons for one's personal use/preference.

    Once icons are added to the QAT, they will be provided with a one or two digit keystroke for use with the Alt Key. Press the Alt key to see the current Alt + keystroke(s) for any item on the QAT.


    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message

    That's what I mean. How? OIC. Right-click the Flag button. Silly
    me. I was using the QAT button which says Customize Quick Access Toolbar
    and assuming that it was showing me a complete repertoire.

    Thank you. This is helpful.


    Robert
    ----
     
    ...winston, Aug 21, 2010
    #18
  19. Ildhund

    ...winston Guest

    Hello R.C.,
    If I click the WLM button/Options/<right click>/<Add to Quick Access tool bar> the Options icon tool tip says 'See Options for Windows Live Mail'.
    - clicking that icon provides a drop down menu of all items on the 'Options' submenu
    If I click WLM button/Options/Mail/<right click>/<Add to Quick Access tool bar> the Mail icon tool tip as you noted says 'Change options for Windows Live Mail'

    It might actually makes some sense...the first(above) is a dialog box for all Options, the latter options for Windows Live Mail(the program, not the mail client)

    Fyi...that yellow check mark(over a dog-eared page) on this system is yellow pencil with an orange eraser.....and unfortunately as we've noted before in this group..the same icon is used for both the items I commented(above)


    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "R. C. White" wrote in message
    Hi, Winston.

    Those icons do need to be more distinctive - and intuitive. But, hovering
    over an icon on the QAT pops up a Tool Tip, which does a lot to help me
    remember/decide which one to click.

    Putting the Options icon on the QAT (yellow check mark over a dog-eared
    page) is a life-saver! (To put it there, click the no-name icon, then
    Options, then right-click Mail and Add to Quick Access Toolbar.) But the
    Tool Tip for it says "Mail; Change options for Windows Live Mail". That
    "Mail" should be changed to "Options"; the icon brings up the familiar
    multi-tabbed window that we used to get with Tools | Options, and it changes
    things in both Mail and News.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    Windows Live Mail Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3002.0810)) in Win7 Ultimate x64

    "...winston" wrote in message
    Art,
    You're welcome. I struggled with it like Noel and others.
    For those three icons that I noted earlier....only the new message icon is
    on my QAT. The other two (Add a news server or View current newsgroups) are
    rarely used on a daily basis thus not deserving(for my personal use) to be
    added to my QAT.

    Yet, as you've mentioned other common icons are present and can create
    similar confusion.
    With respect to Send/Receive...I just add the main Send/Receive icon to the
    QAT which permits the drop down selection. I planned out the order or icons
    on the QAT a few times before finding the most comfortable best case
    scenario(lots of practice learned in Office) of chosen icons. I've a great
    memory but anything more than the current 34 on my QAT isn't worth the
    effort.



    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message

    Thank-You Winston... I see the problem now. The same thing happens with the
    'Update all'
    and the 'Send/Receive" icons. IMO.. it is extremely near-sighted and
    unprofessional for
    the developers to do this kind of thing. Sometimes when it comes to icons
    and naming
    conventions, I think MS should change their name to 'Microconfusion' -- or
    should perhaps
    that be 'MASSconfusion'. :)

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    --------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message
    In News mode:
    The first icon on the 'Folders' tab is Newsgroups
    - the icon is piece of paper with a folded edge on the upper right corner
    and a blue pin
    directly below the folded edge
    - clicking that icon opens up the current server's available newsgroups

    The first icon on the Home tab uses the same icon but has a different label
    'News Message'
    and as expected creates a 'new' news message.

    The second icon on the Account's tab uses the same icon but has a different
    label
    'Newsgroup' which will set up a new newsgroup server.

    Adding any of those icons to the QAT yields different functions but with the
    same
    icon(ie..one has to remember the order or the location for common icons with
    different
    functions)


    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message


    I too cursed at the ribbon at first, but it’s growing on me. :)
    I keep the ribbon minimized except when composing a new message or a reply.
    All the commands I use while on the main screen I have added to the QAT.
    I couldn’t duplicate your issue. You may have clicked just below that
    unnamed button while
    the Folders tab was active.

    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
    ------------------------------------------------------

    I am struggling with this wretched ribbon with as much good grace as I can
    muster, but my
    growls and screams of frustration are disturbing my neighbours. I was, full
    of glee, about
    to post something positive about Beta 2. I clicked the extreme left icon on
    the ribbon; to
    my astonishment, I was presented with a (depressingly short) list of MS
    newsgroups! So all
    this talk about intuitive icons means nothing at all – you have to look
    carefully and see
    which tab you have selected before clicking the left-hand-end 'page with a
    pin’ icon,
    because it means something different on different tabs. The logic escapes
    me.
     
    ...winston, Aug 21, 2010
    #19
  20. The recalcitrant flag in the left hand column will show up (or disappear,

    It also shows up if I move off the message. E.g. use Next or Previous.
    The only reliable indicator of whether it is really on or off (and not a
    display artifact) is to look at the Flag button (and not have your mouse
    pointer hovering over it either.)

    FWIW in the earlier beta I was having what I had assumed was related
    difficulties with partial Watch indication showing. That has definitely
    changed with the new simpler icon. I think the Flag column icon is smaller
    in this version too.


    Robert
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    Robert Aldwinckle, Aug 21, 2010
    #20
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