[Beta] Identical ribbon icons with different functions

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by Ildhund, Aug 19, 2010.

  1. Ildhund

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Winston.

    OK, I had not tried right-clicking over WLM button/Options - until now. And
    I've Removed that "See Options..." button as quickly as I added it, because
    I doubt I'd ever use it.

    With the Magnifier, I can see that what I thought was a yellow check mark is
    actually a pencil, as you said. Thanks for motivating me to check it. But
    they still should use different icons for different functions.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    Windows Live Mail Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3002.0810)) in Win7 Ultimate x64


    "...winston" wrote in message
    Hello R.C.,
    If I click the WLM button/Options/<right click>/<Add to Quick Access tool
    bar> the Options icon tool tip says 'See Options for Windows Live Mail'.
    - clicking that icon provides a drop down menu of all items on the
    'Options' submenu
    If I click WLM button/Options/Mail/<right click>/<Add to Quick Access tool
    bar> the Mail icon tool tip as you noted says 'Change options for Windows
    Live Mail'

    It might actually makes some sense...the first(above) is a dialog box for
    all Options, the latter options for Windows Live Mail(the program, not the
    mail client)

    Fyi...that yellow check mark(over a dog-eared page) on this system is yellow
    pencil with an orange eraser.....and unfortunately as we've noted before in
    this group..the same icon is used for both the items I commented(above)

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "R. C. White" wrote in message

    Hi, Winston.

    Those icons do need to be more distinctive - and intuitive. But, hovering
    over an icon on the QAT pops up a Tool Tip, which does a lot to help me
    remember/decide which one to click.

    Putting the Options icon on the QAT (yellow check mark over a dog-eared
    page) is a life-saver! (To put it there, click the no-name icon, then
    Options, then right-click Mail and Add to Quick Access Toolbar.) But the
    Tool Tip for it says "Mail; Change options for Windows Live Mail". That
    "Mail" should be changed to "Options"; the icon brings up the familiar
    multi-tabbed window that we used to get with Tools | Options, and it changes
    things in both Mail and News.

    RC


    "...winston" wrote in message
    Art,
    You're welcome. I struggled with it like Noel and others.
    For those three icons that I noted earlier....only the new message icon is
    on my QAT. The other two (Add a news server or View current newsgroups) are
    rarely used on a daily basis thus not deserving(for my personal use) to be
    added to my QAT.

    Yet, as you've mentioned other common icons are present and can create
    similar confusion.
    With respect to Send/Receive...I just add the main Send/Receive icon to the
    QAT which permits the drop down selection. I planned out the order or icons
    on the QAT a few times before finding the most comfortable best case
    scenario(lots of practice learned in Office) of chosen icons. I've a great
    memory but anything more than the current 34 on my QAT isn't worth the
    effort.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message

    Thank-You Winston... I see the problem now. The same thing happens with the
    'Update all'
    and the 'Send/Receive" icons. IMO.. it is extremely near-sighted and
    unprofessional for
    the developers to do this kind of thing. Sometimes when it comes to icons
    and naming
    conventions, I think MS should change their name to 'Microconfusion' -- or
    should perhaps
    that be 'MASSconfusion'. :)

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    --------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message
    In News mode:
    The first icon on the 'Folders' tab is Newsgroups
    - the icon is piece of paper with a folded edge on the upper right corner
    and a blue pin
    directly below the folded edge
    - clicking that icon opens up the current server's available newsgroups

    The first icon on the Home tab uses the same icon but has a different label
    'News Message'
    and as expected creates a 'new' news message.

    The second icon on the Account's tab uses the same icon but has a different
    label
    'Newsgroup' which will set up a new newsgroup server.

    Adding any of those icons to the QAT yields different functions but with the
    same
    icon(ie..one has to remember the order or the location for common icons with
    different
    functions)


    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message


    I too cursed at the ribbon at first, but it’s growing on me. :)
    I keep the ribbon minimized except when composing a new message or a reply.
    All the commands I use while on the main screen I have added to the QAT.
    I couldn’t duplicate your issue. You may have clicked just below that
    unnamed button while
    the Folders tab was active.

    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
    ------------------------------------------------------

    I am struggling with this wretched ribbon with as much good grace as I can
    muster, but my
    growls and screams of frustration are disturbing my neighbours. I was, full
    of glee, about
    to post something positive about Beta 2. I clicked the extreme left icon on
    the ribbon; to
    my astonishment, I was presented with a (depressingly short) list of MS
    newsgroups! So all
    this talk about intuitive icons means nothing at all – you have to look
    carefully and see
    which tab you have selected before clicking the left-hand-end 'page with a
    pin’ icon,
    because it means something different on different tabs. The logic escapes
    me.
     
    R. C. White, Aug 22, 2010
    #21
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  2. Ildhund

    ...winston Guest

    Yes...agreed those icons and many other items with common icons need more variation.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "R. C. White" wrote in message
    Hi, Winston.

    OK, I had not tried right-clicking over WLM button/Options - until now. And
    I've Removed that "See Options..." button as quickly as I added it, because
    I doubt I'd ever use it.

    With the Magnifier, I can see that what I thought was a yellow check mark is
    actually a pencil, as you said. Thanks for motivating me to check it. But
    they still should use different icons for different functions.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    Windows Live Mail Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3002.0810)) in Win7 Ultimate x64


    "...winston" wrote in message
    Hello R.C.,
    If I click the WLM button/Options/<right click>/<Add to Quick Access tool
    bar> the Options icon tool tip says 'See Options for Windows Live Mail'.
    - clicking that icon provides a drop down menu of all items on the
    'Options' submenu
    If I click WLM button/Options/Mail/<right click>/<Add to Quick Access tool
    bar> the Mail icon tool tip as you noted says 'Change options for Windows
    Live Mail'

    It might actually makes some sense...the first(above) is a dialog box for
    all Options, the latter options for Windows Live Mail(the program, not the
    mail client)

    Fyi...that yellow check mark(over a dog-eared page) on this system is yellow
    pencil with an orange eraser.....and unfortunately as we've noted before in
    this group..the same icon is used for both the items I commented(above)

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "R. C. White" wrote in message

    Hi, Winston.

    Those icons do need to be more distinctive - and intuitive. But, hovering
    over an icon on the QAT pops up a Tool Tip, which does a lot to help me
    remember/decide which one to click.

    Putting the Options icon on the QAT (yellow check mark over a dog-eared
    page) is a life-saver! (To put it there, click the no-name icon, then
    Options, then right-click Mail and Add to Quick Access Toolbar.) But the
    Tool Tip for it says "Mail; Change options for Windows Live Mail". That
    "Mail" should be changed to "Options"; the icon brings up the familiar
    multi-tabbed window that we used to get with Tools | Options, and it changes
    things in both Mail and News.

    RC


    "...winston" wrote in message
    Art,
    You're welcome. I struggled with it like Noel and others.
    For those three icons that I noted earlier....only the new message icon is
    on my QAT. The other two (Add a news server or View current newsgroups) are
    rarely used on a daily basis thus not deserving(for my personal use) to be
    added to my QAT.

    Yet, as you've mentioned other common icons are present and can create
    similar confusion.
    With respect to Send/Receive...I just add the main Send/Receive icon to the
    QAT which permits the drop down selection. I planned out the order or icons
    on the QAT a few times before finding the most comfortable best case
    scenario(lots of practice learned in Office) of chosen icons. I've a great
    memory but anything more than the current 34 on my QAT isn't worth the
    effort.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message

    Thank-You Winston... I see the problem now. The same thing happens with the
    'Update all'
    and the 'Send/Receive" icons. IMO.. it is extremely near-sighted and
    unprofessional for
    the developers to do this kind of thing. Sometimes when it comes to icons
    and naming
    conventions, I think MS should change their name to 'Microconfusion' -- or
    should perhaps
    that be 'MASSconfusion'. :)

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    --------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message
    In News mode:
    The first icon on the 'Folders' tab is Newsgroups
    - the icon is piece of paper with a folded edge on the upper right corner
    and a blue pin
    directly below the folded edge
    - clicking that icon opens up the current server's available newsgroups

    The first icon on the Home tab uses the same icon but has a different label
    'News Message'
    and as expected creates a 'new' news message.

    The second icon on the Account's tab uses the same icon but has a different
    label
    'Newsgroup' which will set up a new newsgroup server.

    Adding any of those icons to the QAT yields different functions but with the
    same
    icon(ie..one has to remember the order or the location for common icons with
    different
    functions)


    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message


    I too cursed at the ribbon at first, but it’s growing on me. :)
    I keep the ribbon minimized except when composing a new message or a reply.
    All the commands I use while on the main screen I have added to the QAT.
    I couldn’t duplicate your issue. You may have clicked just below that
    unnamed button while
    the Folders tab was active.

    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
    ------------------------------------------------------

    I am struggling with this wretched ribbon with as much good grace as I can
    muster, but my
    growls and screams of frustration are disturbing my neighbours. I was, full
    of glee, about
    to post something positive about Beta 2. I clicked the extreme left icon on
    the ribbon; to
    my astonishment, I was presented with a (depressingly short) list of MS
    newsgroups! So all
    this talk about intuitive icons means nothing at all – you have to look
    carefully and see
    which tab you have selected before clicking the left-hand-end 'page with a
    pin’ icon,
    because it means something different on different tabs. The logic escapes
    me.
     
    ...winston, Aug 22, 2010
    #22
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